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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #100 on: May 29, 2010, 09:28:15 AM »
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #101 on: May 29, 2010, 09:33:05 AM »
Imagine if the English were to allow a shrine built to Hitler or the Nazis in the UK?? How would you feel about that or are you too young and uneducated about the horrors Hitler inflicted on England during WWII?? Wouldn't you consider that action as "rubbing salt in old wounds"??

  see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake.  these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty.  America, "land of the free", sure.
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #102 on: May 29, 2010, 11:58:07 AM »
  see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake.  these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty.  America, "land of the free", sure.

Damn dude.  (y'all don't mind if I call ya 'dude', do ya comrade?)  I've seen a lot of crazy shit in my life, but I ain't never seen anything as chock full of stupid as you.  Who the **** do you have typing this gibberish for you?  Is it the same dickhead that coaches you to breathe on cue?

Oh; before I forget.  Ernesto 'Che' Guevara was a ***** assed, cowardly murderer, and the only ****ers that suck more dick than he did are the idiotic rubes that continue to look up to him as some kind of saint.
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #103 on: May 29, 2010, 11:59:24 AM »
  see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake.  these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty.  America, "land of the free", sure.

Like it's working out so well for you in the UK......perhaps when you find a couple of your major commercial centers missing, you might think a bit differently.

There are literally billions of dead as a result of communism in its various forms and guises over the past century, and the fact that you are still here and posting is a singular testament to our tolerance......don't presume to lecture us on it.  Further, don't presume to lecture us on our opinions  regarding Islam, and its rather bloody history.

You are.....after all, a "subject" and not a "citizen", and although I've lived in the UK, and have many friends there, I have little tolerance for wannabe marxists regardless of where they originate, and frankly neither would my friends in the UK.

The truth is simply that Muslims are responsible for a significant majority of the violence and unrest in the world today.......that alone is reason enough to view them all with skepticizm and distrust.  This isn't a "We are the World" moment.......we are at war.

Go  peddle your totaliarian utopia crap elsewhere.......it isn't going to fly here.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #104 on: May 29, 2010, 12:15:16 PM »
Like it's working out so well for you in the UK......perhaps when you find a couple of your major commercial centers missing, you might think a bit differently.

There are literally billions of dead as a result of communism in its various forms and guises over the past century, and the fact that you are still here and posting is a singular testament to our tolerance......don't presume to lecture us on it.  Further, don't presume to lecture us on our opinions  regarding Islam, and its rather bloody history.

You are.....after all, a "subject" and not a "citizen", and although I've lived in the UK, and have many friends there, I have little tolerance for wannabe marxists regardless of where they originate, and frankly neither would my friends in the UK.

The truth is simply that Muslims are responsible for a significant majority of the violence and unrest in the world today.......that alone is reason enough to view them all with skepticizm and distrust.  This isn't a "We are the World" moment.......we are at war.

Go  peddle your totaliarian utopia crap elsewhere.......it isn't going to fly here.

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In the past 75 years, Communists and Muslims are responsible for violence in the world. Just look at India.
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #105 on: May 29, 2010, 12:26:44 PM »
 see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake.  these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty.  America, "land of the free", sure.


He did not make a mistake. You have.

In the first place, the attack was committed in the name of Islam, so it doesn't matter one bit what the motives of the builders might be. The building of a house of worship dedicated to the religion that inspired the 9/11 attack, so close to the site of this attack, is a loathesome affront.

It IS rubbing salt, and the reaction of so many people against this ought to make that clear to you. They--and we---are reacting to that very salt being rubbed in our wounds.

If Cordoba House wanted to "offer a chance of solidarity against terrorism" (as if we needed the chance, and not they) then they could refrain from doing this horrendous thing that is so obviously hurting so many people, including and especially families of the murdered, and they would take their money and build houses of worship at this site to every religion but Islam. You heard me. A church, a synagogue, a buddhist temple. That would be a gesture of reconciliation and solidarity. Not building a mosque.

And pro forma condemnations of Islamic terrorism from Moslems are a dime a dozen. Everything I've seen points to Cordoba house being a terrorist front--just like CAIR. Not that it would matter one bit if these were "moderate muslims." This is an insult, and more than an insult--it's a symbolic act of conquest. So bull me no shit.

How dare you sneeringly write "land of the free, sure," as if they aren't getting away with this hideous monstrosity? And aren't we free to protest it and fight it? Or are freedom of expression and speech in the United States only for those who spit on the United States and western civilization? Of course, for you, that is exactly the case, and you didn't need me to explain any of this to you. You know it is exactly what I have described and you are disingenuously pretending it is the opposite. You approve of this planting of the flag of the enemy in the heart of our greatest city, at the site of their most vicious assault upon us, because you are of the same mindset as Jeremiah Wright--you believe the United States deserved 9/11, and worse. I know your kind. We all do.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #106 on: May 29, 2010, 01:36:36 PM »
These are Cordoba House's partners:

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/ci-partners



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CI partners

American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA)

http://www.asmasociety.org

The American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA) is a New-York based nonprofit organization founded in 1997 to elevate the discourse on Islam and foster environments in which Muslims thrive. We are dedicated to strengthening an authentic expression of Islam based on cultural and religious harmony through interfaith collaboration, youth and women’s empowerment, and arts and cultural exchange.


United Nations Alliance of Civilizations

http://www.unaoc.org

The Alliance of Civilization (AoC) was established in 2005, at the initiative of the Governments of Spain and Turkey, under the auspices of the United Nations.

A High-level Group of experts was formed by former Secretary-General Kofi Annan to explore the roots of polarization between societies and cultures today, and to recommend a practical programme of action to address this issue. The Report of the High-level Group provided analysis and put forward practical recommendations that form the basis for the implementation plan of the Alliance of Civilizations.


Search for Common Ground

http://www.sfcg.org/

Founded in 1982, Search for Common Ground works to transform the way the world deals with conflict - away from adversarial approaches and towards collaborative problem solving. We work with local partners to find culturally appropriate means to strengthen societies' capacity to deal with conflicts constructively: to understand the differences and act on the commonalities.



Here's some information on the one that really caught my eye, anything having to do with the metaterrorist organization called the United Nations:



http://centralillinois912project.com/?p=5523



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On May 13, the United Nations Alliance of Civiliations published a press release in which Jorge Sampaio (the UN Secretary-General’s High Representative for the Alliance of Civilizations) praised the United States for becoming the 100th “member country joining the alliance.”

That press release goes on to state:

    Since 2005, the Alliance of Civilizations has been playing an increasingly important role at the forefront of the international community to improve understanding and cooperative relations across nations, cultures, and religions to counter the forces that fuel polarization and extremism.

    As a global platform for intercultural dialogue and cooperation, the Alliance welcomes the United States membership as a very significant opportunity to maintain the issue of cultural diversity high on the global agenda, scaling up efforts to expand cross-cultural education, promote dialogue and understanding with special focus on relations with the Muslim world, and forge the collective political will to address the world’s imbalances.

According to the Heritage Foundation, the Alliance of Civilizations (AoC) is the successor to the Iranian-proposed Dialogue of Civilizations and brainchild of former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.  The AoC’s website states that the organization has the following objectives:

    * Develop a network of partnerships with States, international organizations, civil society groups, and private sector entities that share the goals of the Alliance of Civilizations, to reinforce their interaction and coordination with the UN system;
    * Develop, support, and highlight projects that promote understanding and reconciliation among cultures globally and, in particular, between Muslim and Western societies. These projects should be related to the four main fields of action of the Alliance: youth, education, media and migration.
    * Establish relations and facilitate dialogue among groups that can act as a force of moderation and understanding during times of heightened cross-cultural tensions.

Previously, the United States had been the only one out of 20 major advanced and emerging countries (excluding Israel) that had not yet joined the Alliance’s “Group of Friends,” which now includes some 118 member countries and organizations.  These include countries in Europe, Latin America, and Asia, as well as the Arab League and the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC).  When the Alliance first formed in 2005, the United States shunned membership in the organization, citing concerns (corroborated by the Alliance’s 2006 “Report of the High Level Group,” which you can <<<READ HERE>>>) that the organization could become a forum mainly for criticizing Israel and the West.

For example, the report cites the 1948 establishment of Israel as being the starting point for major tensions between the West and Muslim societies:  

    The partition of Palestine by the United Nations in 1947, envisaging the establishment of two states -- Palestine and Israel -- with a special status for Jerusalem, led to the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, beginning a chain of events that continues to be one of the most tortuous in relations between Western and Muslim societies. Israel’s continuing occupation of Palestinian and other Arab territories and the unresolved status of Jerusalem -- a holy city for Muslims and Christians as well as Jews – have persisted with the perceived acquiescence of Western governments and thus are primary causes of resentment and anger in the Muslim world toward Western nations. This occupation has been perceived in the Muslim world as a form of colonialism and has led many to believe, rightly or wrongly, that Israel is in collusion with “the West”.

The AoC has also stated that freedom of expression should be limited in order to counter the presumed rise of Islamophobia. The report cited above states that terms such as “Islamic terrorism” have “contributed to an alarming increase in Islamophobia” — the unstated conclusion being that such terms should not be used.

Here is Karen Armstrong, a member of the AoC, stating (56 seconds into this video): “Of course I’m a passionate advocate of free speech.  I’ve had the privilege of living and being able to write and speak in whatever way I chose.   But I am very much aware that I have responsibilites too.  And once your words have left your mouth — as I know myself, people interpret them in mischievous ways, and make them a force for evil -- there’s a lot of ill will out there and that is playing into a scenario which will make it very difficult for us to have a good world to hand on to our children.   We really cannot afford bigoted talk.  Political correctness has had a very bad press.  It’s idea is to think of what we’re saying and ask ourselves if it’s really true….”

 

Ms. Armstrong’s saying in one sentence that she “of course” supports free speech and then going on to say that we “cannot afford” to have bigoted talk would seem to fundamentally contradict itself.  What exactly is the dividing line between “free speech” and “bigoted talk”?  Presumably, she believes that the criteria put forth by ”political correctness” should be used to determine what exactly should be tolerated as “free” speech and that which should not be tolerated, due to “bigotry.”

So is it really all  that important that the U.S. has decided to join the AoC?  Will any changes be forthcoming as a result?  Answers to these questions are mixed.  The Heritage Foundation has concluded that an affiliation with the AoC is not likely to substantively change the activities of that body.  The Jerusalem Post has recently quoted an Israeli official as questioning why the US would choose to join an organization that is “completely insignificant,” adding that US citizens should question exactly why such a move is even being made.  However, the Jerusalem Post went on to say the following:

    Another [Israeli] government source said it was not inconceivable that the decision to join the group was yet another hint to Israel that Washington could make things uncomfortable for Jerusalem if it chose, without causing a public rift.  The source said this move, along with the reports that the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency will take up the question of Israel’s nuclear capabilities at its board meeting next month, something that has never happened before and which the US could have prevented had it chosen to do so, indicated to a certain degree a change of tenor coming from Washington.  â€œI’m not saying the US is deciding to join the organization to send a message to Israel, but it clearly was mindful of how this would be interpreted in Jerusalem,” the source said.

So what will be the outcome?  Only time will tell — but one thing is certain.  Israel is making no plans to join the Alliance.


Although the article's focus is the Israeli point of view, Islamists who hate Israel generally hate the United States. This could be said be an understatement.


Here we go. This is really all you need (unless you also want to note the usual obsession with Israel) about this group's core mindset:




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Relations Between Societies of Western and Muslim Countries

4.3 Selective accounts of ancient history are used by radical movements to paint an ominous
portrait of historically distinct and mutually exclusive faith communities destined for
confrontation. Such distorted historical narratives must be countered. More important
for the purposes of this report is the fact that this history does not offer explanations for
current conflicts or for the rise in hostility between Western and Muslim societies.

See the Global Agenda for the Dialogue Among Civilizations (A/60/259).
In particular, the Declaration and Program of Action for a Culture of Peace referred to, together with the
Dialogue Among Civilizations and the Alliance of Civilizations, in paragraph 144 of the 2005 World Summit
Outcome of the UN General Assembly.

On the contrary, the roots of these phenomena lie in developments that took place
in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, beginning with European imperialism,
the
resulting emergence of anti-colonial movements, and the legacy of the confrontations
between them.


http://www.unaoc.org/repository/HLG_Report.pdf





So to this group, we're the selective ones because we have the crazy idea that history goes farther back than the 19th Century. Excuse me, but it is Islam that swept out of the Arabian peninsula to make war on the whole of the eastern world, Mediterranean, and Europe, it was not the West, such as it was at the time, that began extirpating Moslems; it was Islam that has nearly eradicated Christianity in the middle and near east. If we're going to take an historical view, let's begin at the beginning.

Certainly the people who named Cordoba House had a sense of history extending back more than two centuries. So did the Madrid bombers.

I haven't investigated the other two yet, but this tells me what I need to know about this group: Iranian-pushed, UN-sponsored, and proceeding from the first principle that Western society is to blame for the conflict between Islam and the West, which is stilted nonsense, or nonsense on stilts, take your pick.

So this is one of Cordoba House's  partners, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if most of the funding for this project that people have been wondering about isn't originating from here--which, by the way, means that we're footing a huge portion of the bill, given what the US contributes to that vile sink of hatred, criminality, and despotism, the UN. When it comes to money laundering, the UN could teach the Mafia new tricks. Can we say oil for food?


Now, apart from the fact that any mosque built by anyone on this site is a second act of war against us, war carried on by other means, do we want a mosque built in lower Manhattan that lists as one of its partners a creature of Iran? THIS Iranian regime?!

I'll look into the others a bit later, or anyone else can. I'm betting we find more that's more than a little interesting.





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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #107 on: May 29, 2010, 02:09:56 PM »
Here's the Canadian part of the organization:


http://www.cordobahouse.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=54

Still pushing the same claptrap fiction revisionist history about Islamic tolerance of religions and peoples in conquered Spain. That they even speak of that time as such a time of bliss tells you what you ned to know about their mindset. It was good when the infidels were conquered.




http://gala.cordobahouse.ca/

Now, look who'll be the big speaker at their 2010 gala in June


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2010 Gala Home
Cordoba Gala

June 27, 2010
Carmen’s Banquet Hall
Reception 5:00pm

The 2nd Annual Cordoba House fundraiser has arrived! The evening will feature dinner, a live percussionist performance by a local nasheed group, spoken word, stand-up comedy, a live auction and the inspiring words of Shaykh Abdalla Idris Ali. All proceeds are going towards supporting the various Cordoba House initiatives, including the Cordoba Islamic Studies Library, and the Cordoba Dialogues lecture series.



Ahem.


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1361

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   *  Former president of the Islamic Society of North America
    * Advisory board member of American Muslim Council

 

Abdullah Idris Ali served as president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) from 1992-1997. ISNA enforces Wahhabi theological writ in some 1,200 American mosques, determining who will speak at every Friday prayer, and which literature will be distributed there. Ali is a member of the board of trustees for the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), a Saudi Wahhabi financial institution that, according to a CAIR report, owns about 27 percent of the estimated 1,200 mosques in the United States. Wahhabism is the most extreme, intolerant, violent form of Islam. Ali is also on the board of advisors for the American Muslim Council (AMC), whose founder and leader, Abdul Rahman Alamoudi, has publicly proclaimed his support for the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Moreover, Alamoudi was arrested in September 2003 for illegally failing to notify the U.S. State Department of his numerous trips to Libya; illegally accepting $10,700 from the Libyan mission to the United Nations; and using two American and one Yemeni passport for at least ten of those trips.



Let's just keep digging, shall we? What else is goiung to turn up?
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #108 on: May 29, 2010, 02:37:52 PM »
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/staff-bios




Straight from the mouth of the Chairman of the Cordoba Initiative:



http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/21/1079789939987.html



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West must act to end jihad: Imam
By Frank Walker
March 21, 2004 - 1:52AM
The Sun-Herald



The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end, says an Islamic cleric invited to Sydney by Premier Bob Carr.

New York-based Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who impressed Mr Carr at an international conference last year, arrives in Sydney today for two weeks of meetings and public talks.

Speaking from his New York mosque, Imam Feisal said the West had to understand the terrorists' point of view.

In a move likely to cause controversy with church leaders, Imam Feisal said it was Christians who started mass attacks on civilians.

"The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians.




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But it was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."





I don't even know where to start, but just where were the Moslem populations in Dresden and Hiroshima?





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Imam Feisal said the bombing in Madrid had made his message more urgent. He said there was an endless supply of angry young Muslim rebels prepared to die for their cause and there was no sign of the attacks ending unless there was a fundamental change in the world.

Imam Feisal, who argues for a Western style of Islam that promotes democracy and tolerance, said there could be little progress until the US acknowledged backing dictators and the US President gave an "America Culpa" speech to the Muslim world.



Bold sentence one just above sure sounds like a threat to me, and bold sentence two--well, he got his wish, didn't he? What a coincidence.

Let's be crystal clear here: this is hardcore extremist Islamist ideology, this idea that the west has anything to apologize for to the world of Islam, and that the United States, the greatest force for good the world has ever known, that the US in particular, the country that has done more to help Moslems concretely than any other, that the US must admit to blame! And he does mean that we are to blame for 9/11. Oh, he'll give forth with the bloodless, passionless, "we condemn violence" lie that is just a 10-second intro to hours of this sewage, but so what? A teaspoonful of sewage thrown into a barrelful of fine wine makes a barrelful of sewage; here we have a teaspoonful of the wine added to a barrel of sewage.

And this is the guy anyone wants to represent as "promoting harmony"? All the apologists for Islamic violence, terrorism, and war speak this way.


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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #109 on: May 29, 2010, 02:42:46 PM »
  see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake.  these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty.  America, "land of the free", sure.

I assume you have some kind of link to a story or official release from their website backing up what you say?

I take the Reagan approach to dealing with Communists...trust but verify.

Put up or shut up on this claim.
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« Reply #110 on: May 29, 2010, 02:47:55 PM »
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I don't even know where to start, but just where were the Moslem populations in Dresden and Hiroshima?

Lets not forget either that during WW II there were Islamic countries whose leaders were members of the NAZI party.
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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-ground-zero-mosque-developer-muslim-brotherhood-roots-radical-dreams/?singlepage=true



http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2006/12/transcript-you-should-read.html


http://blog.beliefnet.com/roddreher/2010/05/ground-zero-mosque-imam-a-closet-islamist.html


http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1046824




Well, that's pretty much it. If anyone doubted this was taquiyya in action, stop doubting. I mean, I never did, I doubt any conservative on this board ever did, and sometimes you really don't need proof to say the sky is blue. I knew this would all be here, somewhere, but it's good to provide support, even if especially tedious when you already know what you're going to find.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #112 on: May 29, 2010, 06:07:06 PM »
Lets not forget either that during WW II there were Islamic countries whose leaders were members of the NAZI party.

Also, many Nazis fled to Islamic countries, like Egypt and Syria, and converted to Islam.
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #113 on: May 29, 2010, 06:07:31 PM »
  see, that's a VERY fundamental (no pun intended) mistake.  these Muslims (who want to build the mosque) have condemned the attacks. It's not rubbing salt, more the opposite- offering a chance for solidarity against terrorism. One that it would appear you'd rather ignore. You are encouraging a mentality where all Muslims are the enemy, and that is what will bring real difficulty.  America, "land of the free", sure.

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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-ground-zero-mosque-developer-muslim-brotherhood-roots-radical-dreams/?singlepage=true



http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2006/12/transcript-you-should-read.html


http://blog.beliefnet.com/roddreher/2010/05/ground-zero-mosque-imam-a-closet-islamist.html


http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1046824




Well, that's pretty much it. If anyone doubted this was taquiyya in action, stop doubting. I mean, I never did, I doubt any conservative on this board ever did, and sometimes you really don't need proof to say the sky is blue. I knew this would all be here, somewhere, but it's good to provide support, even if especially tedious when you already know what you're going to find.

 :bow: :bow: :bow:   Where do you find the time to keep digging up this cesspool of insanity.

Shall we allow a center for Nazi studies within eye view of Arlington Cemetery with the Nazi swastika on top of a spire.

How about in Honolulu a center for Japanese studies to fly a huge flag of the
Rising Sun.

Right out of science fiction, if the Phelps Clan began to give the Muslim some ideas on how to use peaceful means to disrupt Christian Churches services, marrages, funerals, Church holidays etc.   Why not, Phelps is in this for the money and has no conscious a very hard hearted family.

I do believe that we should know our enemy's and take pro active actions to protect ourselves.  It helps to know the history of the enemy and how they have thought in the past.-------However, today we need to place them into prospective according to OUR time.

WAR, it is usually fought for the booty and slaves, we know from our own history that we fought the Civil War for our beliefs.  This will become a WAR also of beliefs .

Where are the crowds of angry people yelling for the heads of the city planners that allowed this,  where are the Christian, Budest, Christian Orthodox, the Rabi's gathering their flocks to protest this mind bending act of sacrilege and common decency.??

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #115 on: July 18, 2010, 04:06:55 PM »
All this talk and outrage is great, but when do we DO  something concrete; buy that land, get a permit to build an American Mall on that site, which will sell 911 memorabelia, books, and a nondenominal prayer room. as a memorial to the 911 murdered and maimed.  Laws and statutes can be changed and reversed. This is still America. These mosques cannot be allowed to stand on that sacred American land.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #116 on: July 18, 2010, 06:42:46 PM »
All this talk and outrage is great, but when do we DO  something concrete; buy that land, get a permit to build an American Mall on that site, which will sell 911 memorabelia, books, and a nondenominal prayer room. as a memorial to the 911 murdered and maimed.  Laws and statutes can be changed and reversed. This is still America. These mosques cannot be allowed to stand on that sacred American land.

I like that idea. They should do fund raising and use that money to buy land in what used to be the World Trade Center.
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #117 on: July 18, 2010, 08:42:36 PM »
I wonder if Leary would consider buying the property as another HQ for the Leary Firefighter's Foundation?

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #118 on: July 20, 2010, 09:50:04 AM »
To hell with being nice....NUKE mecca and then build a 5,000 foot high cross right in the middle of the black glass parking lot. Then we could invite the world to use it and call it "The Multicultural DriveIn Center for Better Religious Understanding and Harmony" or some other long winded BS PC name.
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #119 on: July 20, 2010, 10:27:10 AM »
To hell with being nice....NUKE mecca and then build a 5,000 foot high cross right in the middle of the black glass parking lot. Then we could invite the world to use it and call it "The Multicultural DriveIn Center for Better Religious Understanding and Harmony" or some other long winded BS PC name.

Add a Star of David next to the Cross.  :-)
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #120 on: July 20, 2010, 02:54:05 PM »
Add a Star of David next to the Cross.  :-)
Speaking as a Jew, I should like that idea...but I don't. No Cross, no Star Of David. Everything on that Sacred American Land must be non-denominational.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #121 on: July 20, 2010, 03:49:12 PM »
Speaking as a Jew, I should like that idea...but I don't. No Cross, no Star Of David. Everything on that Sacred American Land must be non-denominational.

I don't see why. We are a Judaeo-Christian country, and it's ahistorical--and to my mind, silly--to deny the role this tradition has played in makiing us a good and just and rational country. Just as it's counterhistorical to deny the role Islam has played in creating so many bad and unjust and irrational countries.

There is a church fairly close--Trinity Wall Street (Episcopalian)--but I'd have no objection if a new church and a new synagoge were built close to GZ. I have BIG objections to a mosque, for fairly obvious reasons.



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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #122 on: July 20, 2010, 06:11:13 PM »
Speaking as a Jew, I should like that idea...but I don't. No Cross, no Star Of David. Everything on that Sacred American Land must be non-denominational.


Daisy...my response was to JohnnyReb's post. He was talking about Mecca, not the World Trade Center land.


To hell with being nice....NUKE mecca and then build a 5,000 foot high cross right in the middle of the black glass parking lot. Then we could invite the world to use it and call it "The Multicultural DriveIn Center for Better Religious Understanding and Harmony" or some other long winded BS PC name.
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #123 on: July 21, 2010, 04:51:23 PM »
    As a Communist, I don't believe in or approve of religion, but apart from that I don't see the problem. The people who want to have this mosque have condemned the attacks and said that they want to improve the community. I'm seeing intolerance from some of you guys though. Knee jerk reaction to anything Islam?

I think ya nailed it!

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #124 on: July 21, 2010, 08:07:59 PM »
Right there with you on intolerance, Al. Me, I'm intolerant of being conquered. It's a little bit of an idiosyncrasy, I know.