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Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees
Mon Mar 29, 7:03 pm ET
Yahoo News
BALTIMORE – The father of a Marine killed in Iraq and whose funeral was picketed by anti-gay protesters was ordered to pay the protesters’ appeal costs, his lawyers said Monday.
On Friday, Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit ordered Snyder to pay $16,510 to Fred Phelps. Phelps is the leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, which conducted protests at Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder’s funeral in 2006.
The two-page decision supplied by attorneys for Albert Snyder of York, Pa., offered no details on how the court came to its decision.
Yahoo-Marine’s dad ordered to pay protesters’ court fees (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_funeral_protests;_ylt=AvMEznEttv8sD6Gh_4zraOZH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTM4N2loYXRyBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMzI5L3VzX2Z1bmVyYWxfcHJvdGVzdHMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM3BHBvcwM3BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDbWFyaW5lc2RhZG9y)
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Sick! I bet the judge is a leftist like the Westboro Baptist Church and Fred Phelps, who are Democrats. They call WBC the most hated people in America and the world.
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Where could someone go to help pay for an appeal on this?
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Where could someone go to help pay for an appeal on this?
I would love to help too.
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WTF?
:banghead:
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From the article:
Attorneys also said Snyder is struggling to come up with fees associated with filing a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court.
Here is the link to his webpage - on the left is "how to help" link and also "donate" link. Definitely a cause we need to support.
http://www.matthewsnyder.org/
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I hate Fred Phelps as much as I hate Osama bin Laden/Jihadist and Lori Drew. They are all scum of humanity worthy of the worst suffering one can inflict on. :bird:
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Someone remind me about this thread on the 1st.
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http://www.therobingroom.com/Judge.aspx?ID=777 :uhsure:
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Of course, the ACLU and Thomas Jefferson Center are defending Phelps.
Any more reason to hate these SOB's?
Well worth the read:
http://www.matthewsnyder.org/Snyder%20v.%20WBC%20-%204th%20Circuit%20Opinion,%20Doc.%2082,%209_24_09%20(4).PDF
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Of course, the ACLU and Thomas Jefferson Center are defending Phelps.
Any more reason to hate these SOB's?
Well worth the read:
http://www.matthewsnyder.org/Snyder%20v.%20WBC%20-%204th%20Circuit%20Opinion,%20Doc.%2082,%209_24_09%20(4).PDF
Sparky, this is the price one pays to live in a free society.
EVERYONE regardless of how outrageously evil and down right douche bags have rights.
BTW I cannot pull up your link, my PC freezes and I have to reboot.
How do we fight clear and present danger to ourselves or family.?
These people are not fighting for the freedom to believe what ever, they are fighting to cause the right to offend and harm others that do not agree with them.
You know if the men and woman service people were alive Phelps could be accused of hate speech, slander, libel, harassment, etc. They target the dead, those that cannot sue them, those with no way to fight back. Their only aim is to cause as much harm as they can to the deceased family and friends. They go for the throat to suck blood and money from a grieving family.
Look at the people they target, White men and woman from a small town. I know they would never go into Detroit and do their harassment of someone in the black comunity, they know full well the riots that would ensue.
They walk a thin line, sooner or later they will pick on the wrong family and the whole kit and caboodle will just go missing. While the country is wondering where they went, hundreds of good people will be on their knees thanking GOD and singing ---Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead.
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Where could someone go to help pay for an appeal on this?
I wonder if Mark Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation would take this case up?
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Hopefully the Patriot Guard Riders will catch word of this and try to help out.
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Sparky, this is the price one pays to live in a free society.
EVERYONE regardless of how outrageously evil and down right douche bags have rights.
BTW I cannot pull up your link, my PC freezes and I have to reboot.
How do we fight clear and present danger to ourselves or family.?
These people are not fighting for the freedom to believe what ever, they are fighting to cause the right to offend and harm others that do not agree with them.
You know if the men and woman service people were alive Phelps could be accused of hate speech, slander, libel, harassment, etc. They target the dead, those that cannot sue them, those with no way to fight back. Their only aim is to cause as much harm as they can to the deceased family and friends. They go for the throat to suck blood and money from a grieving family.
Look at the people they target, White men and woman from a small town. I know they would never go into Detroit and do their harassment of someone in the black comunity, they know full well the riots that would ensue.
They walk a thin line, sooner or later they will pick on the wrong family and the whole kit and caboodle will just go missing. While the country is wondering where they went, hundreds of good people will be on their knees thanking GOD and singing ---Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead.
There are a couple of counties around where I live, that if they showed up to cause a disturbance at the funeral of a soldier....they would be looking down rifle barrels.
Those holding the rifles would most likely have white robes and little pointed white hoods hanging in their closets at home, too. :uhsure:
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Sparky, this is the price one pays to live in a free society.
EVERYONE regardless of how outrageously evil and down right douche bags have rights.
BTW I cannot pull up your link, my PC freezes and I have to reboot.
How do we fight clear and present danger to ourselves or family.?
These people are not fighting for the freedom to believe what ever, they are fighting to cause the right to offend and harm others that do not agree with them.
You know if the men and woman service people were alive Phelps could be accused of hate speech, slander, libel, harassment, etc. They target the dead, those that cannot sue them, those with no way to fight back. Their only aim is to cause as much harm as they can to the deceased family and friends. They go for the throat to suck blood and money from a grieving family.
Look at the people they target, White men and woman from a small town. I know they would never go into Detroit and do their harassment of someone in the black comunity, they know full well the riots that would ensue.
They walk a thin line, sooner or later they will pick on the wrong family and the whole kit and caboodle will just go missing. While the country is wondering where they went, hundreds of good people will be on their knees thanking GOD and singing ---Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead.
How about the father's first amendment rights of peacable assembly? Why does that get to be trodden on?
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Freedom of speech is a bitch, eh?
Either you defend their freedom - like the fallen war hero DID DO - or you deny it. If you deny it, you deny it for everyone. It's either a right or a privelege.
At the end of the day, this was a frivolous lawsuit and nothing more. That the church has no respect for the miliatary is of no relevance - nor is there any relevance to the fact that it was a service person's funeral. The only relevance is the 1st amendment. The father didn't like what was said and now wants it silenced. No different than people on the left.
You don't have to like it. You don't have to approve of it. You can even be offended by it. But you MUST defend it.
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From the article:
Here is the link to his webpage - on the left is "how to help" link and also "donate" link. Definitely a cause we need to support.
http://www.matthewsnyder.org/
Thanks for the info, I'll certainly send a donation.
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I don't have much but that dad is getting my help
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Freedom of speech is a bitch, eh?
Either you defend their freedom - like the fallen war hero DID DO - or you deny it. If you deny it, you deny it for everyone. It's either a right or a privelege.
At the end of the day, this was a frivolous lawsuit and nothing more. That the church has no respect for the miliatary is of no relevance - nor is there any relevance to the fact that it was a service person's funeral. The only relevance is the 1st amendment. The father didn't like what was said and now wants it silenced. No different than people on the left.
You don't have to like it. You don't have to approve of it. You can even be offended by it. But you MUST defend it.
Sorry but I do NOT have to defend piss poor behavior.
Period.
Do I support their 1st amendment rights to act like a bunch of assholes. Yeah... My oath still means something to me. But I don't have to defend their actions.
If Heaven forbid that my son falls in combat and these assholes show up at his funeral.
Two things are going to happen.... Several folks will be needing a hospital and I'll be arrested.
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Sorry but I do NOT have to defend piss poor behavior.
Period.
Do I support their 1st amendment rights to act like a bunch of assholes. Yeah... My oath still means something to me. But I don't have to defend their actions.
If Heaven forbid that my son falls in combat and these assholes show up at his funeral.
Two things are going to happen.... Several folks will be needing a hospital and I'll be arrested.
I'm surprised that it hasn't happened already. That would be a case of jury nullification that I could get behind.
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Sorry but I do NOT have to defend piss poor behavior.
Period.
Do I support their 1st amendment rights to act like a bunch of assholes. Yeah... My oath still means something to me. But I don't have to defend their actions.
If Heaven forbid that my son falls in combat and these assholes show up at his funeral.
Two things are going to happen.... Several folks will be needing a hospital and I'll be arrested.
Didn't mean defend or support their actions... But defend and support their RIGHTS. Difference.
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As repugnant as Phelps et al are they have free speech rights.
And it appears "loser pays" means sometimes the people we would rather see win end up not winning and subsequently paying.
Still, it'd be worth the night in county detention for the privilege of busting Phelps in the cock locker.
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As repugnant as Phelps et al are they have free speech rights.
And it appears "loser pays" means sometimes the people we would rather see win end up not winning and subsequently paying.
Still, it'd be worth the night in county detention for the privilege of busting Phelps in the cock locker.
Is that his ass , his mouth or both?
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Is that his ass , his mouth or both?
absolutely
:-)
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Sparky, this is the price one pays to live in a free society.
EVERYONE regardless of how outrageously evil and down right douche bags have rights.
BTW I cannot pull up your link, my PC freezes and I have to reboot.
How do we fight clear and present danger to ourselves or family.?
These people are not fighting for the freedom to believe what ever, they are fighting to cause the right to offend and harm others that do not agree with them.
You know if the men and woman service people were alive Phelps could be accused of hate speech, slander, libel, harassment, etc. They target the dead, those that cannot sue them, those with no way to fight back. Their only aim is to cause as much harm as they can to the deceased family and friends. They go for the throat to suck blood and money from a grieving family.
Look at the people they target, White men and woman from a small town. I know they would never go into Detroit and do their harassment of someone in the black comunity, they know full well the riots that would ensue.
They walk a thin line, sooner or later they will pick on the wrong family and the whole kit and caboodle will just go missing. While the country is wondering where they went, hundreds of good people will be on their knees thanking GOD and singing ---Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead.
One person's freedoms end when it tramples on another person's freedom. Case closed.
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One person's freedoms end when it tramples on another person's freedom. Case closed.
It's hate speech, plain and simple what they do. It could be an incitement to riot, just as much as any klan rally could be considered to be.
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It's hate speech, plain and simple what they do. It could be an incitement to riot, just as much as any klan rally could be considered to be.
That's tantamount to yell "fire".
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One person's freedoms end when it tramples on another person's freedom. Case closed.
Whose freedom was trampled on?
How far do you really want to take the line of reasoning? You're on one helluva slippery slope.
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Bill O'Reilly is discussing this now.
He just said he would pay the fees, if they stand after further appeal. :bow:
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Whose freedom was trampled on?
How far do you really want to take the line of reasoning? You're on one helluva slippery slope.
People have a right to have a funeral in peace and picket. Also, funerals are mostly private, so First Amendment don't apply. The First Amendment IS NOT ABSOLUTE.
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It's hate speech, plain and simple what they do. It could be an incitement to riot, just as much as any klan rally could be considered to be.
It's still protected speech. Hate is subjective. It only takes a look in the news to know that 99% of "hate" complains are crap.
Again - you either have free speech (and freedom of religion/freedom of expression) or you don't. It is not a gray area. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean it should be banned or otherwise limited. Same goes for me or anyone else who doesn't liek what someone says.
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People have a right to have a funeral in peace and picket. Also, funerals are mostly private, so First Amendment don't apply. The First Amendment IS NOT ABSOLUTE.
False.
Funerals heald in a public location have no right to any sort of privacy. The "lack of" right to privacy in a private place is well established.
So when does the 1st amendment end? Who makes that decision? You? Me? Obama? Sorry - I'm not willing to limit some idiotic groups rights to free speech just to make me feel better... because someone WILL limit mine.
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False.
Funerals heald in a public location have no right to any sort of privacy. The "lack of" right to privacy in a private place is well established.
So when does the 1st amendment end? Who makes that decision? You? Me? Obama? Sorry - I'm not willing to limit some idiotic groups rights to free speech just to make me feel better... because someone WILL limit mine.
Let me get this straight, a person using their freedom to trample on one other's person freedom is not freedom. So you have problems with that?
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Let me get this straight, a person using their freedom to trample on one other's person freedom is not freedom. So you have problems with that?
Once again I will ask. What freedoms were trampled on?
There is no right to privacy in a public place, dude. There is no right to not be offended. There was nothing illegal done here, period.
Distasteful? Hell ya. Immoral? Likely. Violation of someone's rights? FALSE.
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Once again I will ask. What freedoms were trampled on?
There is no right to privacy in a public place, dude. There is no right to not be offended. There was nothing illegal done here, period.
Distasteful? Hell ya. Immoral? Likely. Violation of someone's rights? FALSE.
Of course there is no privacy, but that's not the point or was ever the POINT.
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Of course there is no privacy, but that's not the point or was ever the POINT.
so I will ask you for the third time... what rights were trampled?
If you cannot answer that, and balance it against the guaranteed rights outlined in COTUS, then you have no leg to stand on.
I like these people no more than anyone else... but a right is a right.. and distasteful use of that right is, as Vesta said, the risk you face living in a free society.
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so I will ask you for the third time... what rights were trampled?
If you cannot answer that, and balance it against the guaranteed rights outlined in COTUS, then you have no leg to stand on.
I like these people no more than anyone else... but a right is a right.. and distasteful use of that right is, as Vesta said, the risk you face living in a free society.
People have a right to assemble peacefully. You know to protest in a public event, you have to have a permit. Also, it could be construed as slander.
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People have a right to assemble peacefully. You know to protest in a public event, you have to have a permit. Also, it could be construed as slander.
Slander is subjective and a separate issue.
And right to gather peacefully does NOT mean the right to gather in a peaceful environment.
Permitting is asking for permission, and a direct violation of the rights guaranteed in the 1st amendment.
You and I will not agree on this.
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Slander is subjective and a separate issue.
And right to gather peacefully does NOT mean the right to gather in a peaceful environment.
Permitting is asking for permission, and a direct violation of the rights guaranteed in the 1st amendment.
You and I will not agree on this.
Have you ever heard of yelling "Fire!"?
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I wonder if Mark Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation would take this case up?
Was listening to Mark Levin on the way home. This lady apologized, seems she told the screener something out, turns out she professed to being a Democrat, but also a friend of the Snyders, and told him about their plight. He has links from his show for help, and asked people to contribute, but not through his organization, through the family's.
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Have you ever heard of yelling "Fire!"?
Apples and watermelons - horrible comparison.
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False.
Funerals heald in a public location have no right to any sort of privacy. The "lack of" right to privacy in a private place is well established.
So when does the 1st amendment end? Who makes that decision? You? Me? Obama? Sorry - I'm not willing to limit some idiotic groups rights to free speech just to make me feel better... because someone WILL limit mine.
Well, goody. Then you won't mind when a few folks show up to piss on the grave of your loved ones.
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The Supreme Court has never addressed the specific issues of laws designed to protect the "sanctity and dignity of memorial and funeral services" as well as the privacy of family and friends of the deceased. But the high court has recognized the state's interest in protecting those from unwanted protests or communications while in their homes.
The justices will be asked to address how far states and private entities such as cemeteries and churches can go to justify picket-free zones and the use of "floating buffers" to silence or restrict speech or movements of demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights in a funeral setting.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/08/homosexuality.protest/index.html
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http://burnpit.legion.org/2010/03/put-yourself-in-his-dad%E2%80%99s-shoes/
Put yourself in his dad’s shoes
And then reach into your pocket and help this man.
Send checks to:
The American Legion Burnpit
Albert Snyder Fund
P.O. Box 1055
Indianapolis, IN 46206
Payments via credit card can be processed at this link.
Imagine one day you find government vehicles waiting in your driveway, and you know why they are there. And this is the worst moment of your life. But, you know your son died doing what he wanted to do, and you are so very, very proud of him.
And as you get ready to lay him to rest, people from halfway across the country protest outside the cemetery, and you think, this is the very worst moment of my life. As if saying goodbye to a cherished son were not horrific enough for one lifetime, zealots with no sense of taste, decorum or class use your private moment of grieving to pass on their belief that your son died because “God Hates Faggotsâ€.
But, you won’t give in without a fight, because your son didn’t either. So you file suit in court, and first you are awarded vast sums of money for the damage that these miscreants had done to you. But, on appeal, the next court sees the situation differently. See, to you it was never about politics, it was about seeing the blood of your blood go to his silent, eternal rest.
But, it’s not enough that you just lose the case, now you find out that you have to pay these same individuals $16,500 in lawyers’ fees. You see, the protestors themselves are lawyers, allegedly committed to seeing truth and justice prevail. But, to you this isn’t as much about the law as it is seeing that no other family has to go through the pain that you did.
Well, not on our damn watch. This man has suffered enough. So we want to make sure he doesn’t pay one red cent, even though someone will have to. So The American Legion is starting a fund to pay this off, and judging from our previous fund raising experiences here, I anticipate getting all the cash we need. I have already received promises of $200, and I haven’t even posted this yet.
Here is the story from Stars and Stripes in full. I hate to take their entire story, but I will make it up to them over the next few days.
BALTIMORE — The father of a Marine killed in Iraq and whose funeral was picketed by anti-gay protesters was ordered to pay the protesters’ appeal costs, his lawyers said Monday.
On Friday, Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit ordered Snyder to pay $16,510 to Fred Phelps. Phelps is the leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, which conducted protests at Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder’s funeral in 2006.
The two-page decision supplied by attorneys for Albert Snyder of York, Pa., offered no details on how the court came to its decision.
Attorneys also said Snyder is struggling to come up with fees associated with filing a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court.
The decision adds “insult to injury,†said Sean Summers, one of Snyder’s lawyers.
The high court agreed to consider whether the protesters’ message is protected by the First Amendment or limited by the competing privacy and religious rights of the mourners.
[UPDATE I: I will have more info on how you can help later, after I talk to the lawyers.]
[UPDATE II: This doesn't surprise me, although I did not know it until a few minutes ago, but The American Legion is also in the process of filing an Amicus Brief with the Supreme Court on this issue.]
[UPDATE III: National Adjutant is seeding this with a donation of his own. All funds will go to paying these lawyer fees, then for aiding in the Supreme Court filings, and anything above that will be used for other similiarly situated individuals, since alas, this problem likely will not go away soon]
UPDATE IV: My sincere thanks to the Victoria Taft show on KPAM for having me on. If you’d care to listen, you can do so here.
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UPDATE V: Numerous sources saying that Mr Bill O’Reilly is cutting a check, and assuming it is true, GOOD ON YE Mr. O’Reilly. That doesn’t change us though, as a Supreme Court challenge doesn’t come cheap. We will continue to raise funds, and again 100 percent will go to Mr. Snyder’s fight. Thank you all so VERY much.
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Well, goody. Then you won't mind when a few folks show up to piss on the grave of your loved ones.
WTF? the personal attack is warreneted WHY? Because I'm not willing to deny someone their 1st amendment rights out of emotion? :whatever: :whatever:
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Bill O'Reilly is discussing this now.
He just said he would pay the fees, if they stand after further appeal. :bow:
Just saw this on twitter, good for Billo. :heart:
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WTF? the personal attack is warreneted WHY? Because I'm not willing to deny someone their 1st amendment rights out of emotion? :whatever: :whatever:
No, because you're too much of an assclown to recognize the fact that there ARE limits on the First Amendment--has been ever since its creation.
Back to your cave, little ista.
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If God punished the wicked in the manner Mr. Phelps describes, his "congregation" would have all throw clots by now.
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The Supreme Court has never addressed the specific issues of laws designed to protect the "sanctity and dignity of memorial and funeral services" as well as the privacy of family and friends of the deceased.
This is because up til now, no one has been a big enough assmunch to act the fool at someone's funeral. It's kind of like the warnings on the packaging of everything nowdays. You know some DUmpmonkie tried to use the hairdryer in the shower, and then sued the company because, "No one told me it was dangerous to use electical tools in water."
There are somethings you should just say, "Well, yeah. I shouldn't do that."
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If I were to be so fortunate to read of Mr. Phelps' passing in the news, I know I'd be sorely tempted to dig out my old uniform, make a road trip and exercise a little free speech of my own. Would I be alone?
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As Seabelle said, just saw Bill O'Reilly say on air that he's picking up the whole tab for this family. He's paying the $16,000 for them and will back them all the way to the Supreme Court. That was awesome to hear.
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As Seabelle said, just saw Bill O'Reilly say on air that he's picking up the whole tab for this family. He's paying the $16,000 for them and will back them all the way to the Supreme Court. That was awesome to hear.
As much I don't like Bill O'Reilly, he did the right thing.
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I went to the 4th Circuit web page, hoping to email my disgust to them. Naturally they have no contact page. It's time to run these PC/ liberal Judges out of the country.
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We have a silly law up here that makes it a hate crime to utter any words that may tend to cause a violent reaction in others.
This law is being used against some guy that called another man a Sissie.
To my way of thinking, these really creepy people target small towns knowing that if they are arrested or even told to move on the town could not afford the law suit against them.
These people have come up with a brilliant way to make a fortune, I am sure there is nothing personal about their actions, just business as usual. Unfortunately I believe they are building up to a very big pay day by pushing the bounds of their rights until they can bring a few small town to their knees with law suits.
I believe we need to look at these people as having an agenda that ultimately will bring in MONEY. Living off deep pockets, and law suits to do so.
My neighboring town has a noise ordnance, one can be fined for loud mufflers, radios, a neighbor who's car alarm disturbs the night constantly.
These Phelps who use the bull horns to disrupt a funeral can be gotten around.
Were I in the situation of facing these creeps at the funeral of one of my family, I would make a move to change the time of funeral and interment to Midnight.
Advantages would be the dark would cover these people, they could be arrested on any noise ordnance because of the late hour. There are only a hand full of Phelps people---- ,even if Phelps carries torches would be so few they could be totally ignored by the family.
To have a Military funeral there would have to be exemptions for the salute and bugler. People in these town can vote in the exemptions and there is no way Phelps can challenge that.
Far as I know there are no laws that dictate the time of day or night a funeral takes place, so, put on your thinking caps and find a way to make it as difficult as possible for these VULTURES to one up us.
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No, because you're too much of an assclown to recognize the fact that there ARE limits on the First Amendment--has been ever since its creation.
Back to your cave, little ista.
And yet it's you people who intiate the personal attacks. Not a single one of you has given any reason why a protest - distasteful or not - should be limited speech.
Not one of you. The attitudes you display - that YOU should be the arbitors of who has free speech - is no better than the liberals you rail against on a daily basis. It's okay for YOU to limit speech, just not someone else.
That's hypocricy. And it's sad that, once again, conservatives show themselves just as hypocritical as the left - you really do not want free speech unless it's YOUR free speech.
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We have a silly law up here that makes it a hate crime to utter any words that may tend to cause a violent reaction in others.
This law is being used against some guy that called another man a Sissie.
To my way of thinking, these really creepy people target small towns knowing that if they are arrested or even told to move on the town could not afford the law suit against them.
These people have come up with a brilliant way to make a fortune, I am sure there is nothing personal about their actions, just business as usual. Unfortunately I believe they are building up to a very big pay day by pushing the bounds of their rights until they can bring a few small town to their knees with law suits.
I believe we need to look at these people as having an agenda that ultimately will bring in MONEY. Living off deep pockets, and law suits to do so.
My neighboring town has a noise ordnance, one can be fined for loud mufflers, radios, a neighbor who's car alarm disturbs the night constantly.
These Phelps who use the bull horns to disrupt a funeral can be gotten around.
Were I in the situation of facing these creeps at the funeral of one of my family, I would make a move to change the time of funeral and interment to Midnight.
Advantages would be the dark would cover these people, they could be arrested on any noise ordnance because of the late hour. There are only a hand full of Phelps people---- ,even if Phelps carries torches would be so few they could be totally ignored by the family.
To have a Military funeral there would have to be exemptions for the salute and bugler. People in these town can vote in the exemptions and there is no way Phelps can challenge that.
Far as I know there are no laws that dictate the time of day or night a funeral takes place, so, put on your thinking caps and find a way to make it as difficult as possible for these VULTURES to one up us.
Brilliant... and simple solution.
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Listening to his dad right now. The Phelps kooks sent out fliers calling his son an "ass", and they also put out press releases to advertise the fact that they were going to protest the funeral. Sick ****s.
Apparently, O'Reilly is raising money to help pay for the court costs/fine.
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Listening to his dad right now. The Phelps kooks sent out fliers calling his son an "ass", and they also put out press releases to advertise the fact that they were going to protest the funeral. Sick ****s.
Apparently, O'Reilly is raising money to help pay for the court costs/fine.
Thinking outside the box here, this Phelps is pastor of a Baptist Church or so he claims right .?
Does he only pick on Baptists or is he interrupting funeral services for people of other beliefs.?
Has this man picketted the funerals of those of other faiths such as the Unitarian Church that has Gay Pastors.?
Seems to me a good case can be made for them committing a hate crime by interfearing in a religious service of another faith.
What are the laws about inciting to riot using lies and indunendo.?
What are our laws about calling people names because of Age, Nationality, Race, sexual identity, or religion.?
So say Grand Pop is Jewish and a small church of some Christian demonation come crawling out of the woodwork and procede to Picket the cemetery yelling that the Jews killed Jesus.
Or local Baptist churches picket the Catholic Churches calling all the priests child molesters.?
Or the local Catholic churches picket the funerals of health care workers that were involved in abortions.?
This is a freaking sticky wicket, darn, the door is open for just anyone to raise Hell with another religious ceremony's and when caught sue everyone including the town for nonprotection by the police to exercise their rights to free speech.
We forget that the Funeral of family members in all cultures is a most faith based event in the lives of the family members. Outside the Baptism or marriage of a person of faith this is the most final, people can convert to another faith or divorce and remarry. One can not come back from the dead.
I do not know what happend to those 4 idiots up in Maine that thought it would be amusing after 2 cases of beer to roll the head of a dead hog into a Muslim temple at prayer time but these Phelps people are doing akin to what those good old boys did.
Free speech does not involve intruding a solemn rite of anthers faith and speaking out against it to disturbs the rite unless that faith is feeding virgins into some volcano against their will.
The fact that Funerals are usually religious events, not public events, should cover the right of the family and guests to a peacefull observance.
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O'Reilly Pays Legal Bill for Fallen Marine's Father
Tuesday, 30 Mar 2010 08:19 PM
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By: David A. Patten
No. 1 cable news host Bill O'Reilly said Tuesday that he will personally write a check to cover $16,500 in legal costs for the father of a fallen U.S. Marine who sued the members of a church who picketed his son's funeral. ...
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/oreilly-marine-funeral-protesters/2010/03/30/id/354287
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If I were to be so fortunate to read of Mr. Phelps' passing in the news, I know I'd be sorely tempted to dig out my old uniform, make a road trip and exercise a little free speech of my own. Would I be alone?
I don't think so. It would be worth the trip.