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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: BlueStateSaint on September 26, 2009, 06:18:57 AM
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VALLEY FALLS -- The young man was given three choices: get turned over to the police, go one-on-one in a fight with a seasoned war veteran, or be duct-taped to a flagpole for six hours with a sign around his neck identifying his alleged crime: flag burning.
It was the third option that would still have the small town buzzing a week after a 21-year-old was hunted down and forced to endure a public humiliation with its roots dating to the Middle Ages. Members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 1938 were incensed enough to tie up the man last Sunday after they accused him of setting the flag in front of their building on fire.
Post Commander Nick Normile, a Vietnam War veteran, said the man came into the post's bar Sept. 18 on Poplar Avenue and was eventually turned away for not having a proper ID.
Apparently angered, the young man, who Normile did not want to name, cut the rope of the American flag flying overhead and used a cigarette lighter to set it on fire, Normile and others said.
The man sat pilloried as the village had its fall youth soccer picnic with a long parade of children passing in front of him.
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=846181#ixzz0SD6HQmAf
Good on the VFW Post Commander. I wish this was done more often.
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What's his DU name?
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I'm surprised he wasn't hoisted to half-staff and set on fire. Seems appropriate to me, anyway.
Besides, what VFW posts serve to non-members? Hell, my VFW post doesn't even HAVE a bar. The Legion post does, and they're positively anal about only serving members and signed-in guests.
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:-)
That has made my day
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WTG VFW !! :cheersmate:
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Nice to see that the good guys are finally fighting back.
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Besides, what VFW posts serve to non-members? Hell, my VFW post doesn't even HAVE a bar. The Legion post does, and they're positively anal about only serving members and signed-in guests.
My post serves non-members, BUT, they have to be a guest of a member, by law. The reason that so many posts are anal about this is because they are normally licensed as a Non-Profit Organization. Once they start serving the general public, they could lose that non-profit status in many states. YMMV depending on your state laws.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ****ing stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ****ing stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
How about vandalism, ****-knuckle?
ETA: Tell ya what--come on over to my place and try to burn my flag. Duct tape will be the least of your worries.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ****ing stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
You can take your "opinion" and shove it up your ass, fluffy.
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You can take your "opinion" and shove it up your ass, fluffy.
Oh stfu already BC, I doubt you pasty ass is going to brave going outside to meet me today. Be sure to bring one of those big bad firearms you're always talking about. Should this meeting come to blows it's the only thing that's going to save you, slapnuts.
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It's now official:
:picsneeded:
I want blood and mashed face cell phone pics in the Fight Club. This oughta be a hoot.
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Oh stfu already BC, I doubt you pasty ass is going to brave going outside to meet me today. Be sure to bring one of those big bad firearms you're always talking about. Should this meeting come to blows it's the only thing that's going to save you, slapnuts.
I was planning on it.
But I don't think you'll be there.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ******* stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
Just like a lib to not even consider property rights, vadalism or the fact that the citizen chose the punishment over having a criminal record.
VFW "shut down", "unlawful detainment"? Please. The folks at the VFW should get an award and detainment isn't unlawful if the guy volunteers. Bad try though sparky.
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Oh stfu already BC, I doubt you pasty ass is going to brave going outside to meet me today. Be sure to bring one of those big bad firearms you're always talking about. Should this meeting come to blows it's the only thing that's going to save you, slapnuts.
Lieu,
You're new here. Since when does a person have a right to destroy another person's private property while trespassing on that person's property? The person in question was asked to leave the premises,
that does not bestow or endow any rights to anybody. When this individual chose to destroy private property, the so called Freedom of Speech canard that you outlined goes out the window.
Why? for the simple reason of public safety.
That is why you can leave a movie theater of your own free will, but you can't falsely yell "Fire!" in the same crowded movie theater. The Law will track you down and charge you with a minimum of creating a public disturbance.
Stick around you might learn some things.
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Oh stfu already BC, I doubt you pasty ass is going to brave going outside to meet me today. Be sure to bring one of those big bad firearms you're always talking about. Should this meeting come to blows it's the only thing that's going to save you, slapnuts.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ******* stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
Well apparently it is your flag-burning buddy that is the stupid one. He could have chosen the turned-into-police option.
The VFW was pro choice, they gave him one.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ****ing stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
Are you really this ****ing stupid? Or is it an act? If I see your Obama bumpersticker-plastered Yugo, and decide to beat the hell out of it with a bat, am I "just exercising my first amendment rights"?
God, you're a dumbass.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ******* stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
You should be retroactively aborted F***TARD!
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ****ing stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
Hey asshole, the flag was the property of the VFW and was on their premises. Moonbat ****tards like yourself self-pwn every time. You can't help it, you're just too stupid.
Try exercising your "first amendment rights" by coming on my property and burning my stuff. You'll be taking your meals through a straw for the next six months.
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Lieu,
Stick around you might learn some things.
One must possess a brain in order to be capable of learning....
Ignorance can be cured, but I'm afraid Lieu is stuck on stupid, and there is no cures for stupid. At least, none that are "nonfatal"....
Besides, paying any mind to Lieu would amount to deficit spending....
This jerkoff is just here to piss us off. Don't give it the satisfaction....
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It's good thing that this incident didn't happen in Texas. We have a RIGHT to protect our property here through the use of deadly force. Hell, I can protect my neighbor's property through the use of deadly force. Ohh, since I am a Quartermaster of the local VFW, I would be within my rights to use deadly force on a vandal because of my position. My position requires me to protect the assets of the VFW. **** you Llue, you ****ing liberal retard.
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Hey *******, the flag was the property of the VFW and was on their premises. Moonbat ****tards like yourself self-pwn every time. You can't help it, you're just too stupid.
Try exercising your "first amendment rights" by coming on my property and burning my stuff. You'll be taking your meals through a straw for the next six months.
I believe that the only reason this young man was not charged with Arson, domestic terrorism, causing public alarm and distruction of private property was that a member of his family was a past Commander of the Post.
He really got an easy way out of trouble, what is 6 hours but a brag in the bars for the other creeps.
He did not want to get a police record and spend time with BABA in jail for 6-8 months, he refused to go one on one with a member of the legion, so for 6 hours he with bathroom breaks, water to drink had to face a bunch of kids marching past him.
ARGGGGGGGGG WOW what a punishment.
Pilloried in the original sense was much different. I would have loved to have seen him punished as in the old days in my part of the country.
Sun up to sun down, those to be punished were allowed all they could drink of water and even food.------No bathroom breaks, as they were on display the town folk were free to pelt them with rotten meat and vegetables. The town had a great time shouting and ridiculing those that had broken the law.
12 not 6 hours and those on display with no bathroom breaks began to smell to high heavens and the experience of being in the sun for 6 hours with crap in their pants was not pleasent. Not pleasent getting a rotten piece of meat full of maggots in the face and a really foul piece of chicken in the hair.
This kid got off light because of family connections. Give me a break, us Yankees knew how to make the no gooders change their ways.
Now if that boy had been the son of people that had no dealings with the Legion, he would today be still in jail with Buba and cursing about how unfair life is.
Today he is most likely off somewhere with his friends bragging about how he withstood 6 freaking hours being Pilloried.---- Perhaps he will write a book and make money on his traumatic experience. :fuelfire:
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I've been absent for awhile, and just now noticed that there's no longer the thingie where I can bitchslap people. Can you put it back just on Lleu's profile? He needs one.
I love this story, however the choice of police or 1 on 1 with a Vet would have been enough choices to give him I say. He should have had his ass stomped (either by the Vet, or by Buba in jail after the jailer happened to mention to Buba what he was in for).
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I seriously hope that freaking attention whore shows up to see BadCat tonight. I wish so badly to be there or at least see the video of it all.
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I believe that the only reason this young man was not charged with Arson, domestic terrorism, causing public alarm and distruction of private property was that a member of his family was a past Commander of the Post.
Doubtful, vesta. Had this "person" ever shown any similar disrespect growing up, I rather suspect it would have been knocked out of him long before he decided to burn a flag down at the VFW.
No, this is a case of stupidius maximus.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ****ing stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
By your logic, I should be able to go over to your place of residence and set your car on fire while pissing on your front door. You're advocating on behalf of trespassing, vandalism, and treason.
If you really want to play this game, we can... but rest assured, we will win... oddly enough, by using your logic against you.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights?
Um, the flag did not belong to him. He took property that was not his and destroyed it. Simple concept...even for a ****** liberal like you.
"I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it"
Even if I say you're an asshole?
You people really are ******* stupid aren't you?
See my first comment above, moron.
The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
It wasn't unlawful, moron. He had a choice.
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Oh stfu already BC, I doubt you pasty ass is going to brave going outside to meet me today. Be sure to bring one of those big bad firearms you're always talking about. Should this meeting come to blows it's the only thing that's going to save you, slapnuts.
When's the last time you ventured outside Mom's basement? Let us all know when you plan to meet BC. I want to set up the popcorn concession.
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Hi,
This story warms my heart. :heart: I just love a true story with a happy ending.
regards,
5412
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This story makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... :-)
As for Lleu...try steppin on my porch and burning my flag...try it...no really, try it. I need a target for some pent up anger I've been holding inside since the Magic Negro took office.
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ****ing stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
Just a couple weeks ago, I dug an 18" round hole 30" deep. (I dug the hole on my private property, just in case you're wondering.) I had to dig through a 3-inch layer of gravel, but that gave way to good old-fashioned Missouri clay. Digging that hole was a simple thing. It took me a couple hours and about 5 trips with the wheelbarrow loaded with what I'd dug out to a brush pile. I did a fair amount of sweating, and the effort cost me an aching back, several blisters, and a sore elbow.
But I got an enormous sense of pride out of the experience.
You see, Sir Dipshit, I had a 20-foot flagpole that was going to go in that hole. I installed that flagpole in the hole, and anchored it with not less than 480 lbs. of concrete. I mixed each 80 lb. bag one at a time in my wheelbarrow before carefully pouring it into the hole and keeping the lower section of the flagpole plumb.
I installed a solar-powered light on the flagpole, because U.S. flag courtesy recommends it.
Once all the hardware was installed, I then clipped on and adjusted a 4x6 ft. U.S. flag. Underneath that flag, I clipped on and adjusted a 3x5 ft. U.S. Army flag.
Once all that was done, I hoisted the flag, presented arms, and thought about how puny and insignificant my aching back and blisters were, compared with those heroes in Afghanistan and in Irag who didn't have the opportunity to install their own flagpole on their own property - for the simple reason that they came home in a box.
That flag means more to me than you'll ever know or understand, Sir Dipshit. It means sacrifice, pain, and separation from family and country. But it also signifies honor, integrity, service, and esprit - these are qualities that, again, you have no concept of.
I've been around on this planet for some years now. I've learned that those who think like you are generally so wrapped up into themselves that they're incapable of thinking of someone or something besides themselves.
Ruck up, Sir Dipshit, and come out to perform your own service to the Nation.
THEN you may begin to talk about Freedom of Speech in a context that actually makes sense. Destroying somebody else's property does not equate to free speech, as others have already said.
And yeah, go ahead and **** with my flag, Sir Dipshit. I'm not sure that there would be much left of you, once your criminal behavior was observed and dealt with.
Liberal pussies like you are usually good for only one thing - worm food.
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Just a couple weeks ago, I dug an 18" round hole 30" deep. (I dug the hole on my private property, just in case you're wondering.) I had to dig through a 3-inch layer of gravel, but that gave way to good old-fashioned Missouri clay. Digging that hole was a simple thing. It took me a couple hours and about 5 trips with the wheelbarrow loaded with what I'd dug out to a brush pile. I did a fair amount of sweating, and the effort cost me an aching back, several blisters, and a sore elbow.
But I got an enormous sense of pride out of the experience.
You see, Sir Dipshit, I had a 20-foot flagpole that was going to go in that hole. I installed that flagpole in the hole, and anchored it with not less than 480 lbs. of concrete. I mixed each 80 lb. bag one at a time in my wheelbarrow before carefully pouring it into the hole and keeping the lower section of the flagpole plumb.
I installed a solar-powered light on the flagpole, because U.S. flag courtesy recommends it.
Once all the hardware was installed, I then clipped on and adjusted a 4x6 ft. U.S. flag. Underneath that flag, I clipped on and adjusted a 3x5 ft. U.S. Army flag.
Once all that was done, I hoisted the flag, presented arms, and thought about how puny and insignificant my aching back and blisters were, compared with those heroes in Afghanistan and in Irag who didn't have the opportunity to install their own flagpole on their own property - for the simple reason that they came home in a box.
That flag means more to me than you'll ever know or understand, Sir Dipshit. It means sacrifice, pain, and separation from family and country. But it also signifies honor, integrity, service, and esprit - these are qualities that, again, you have no concept of.
I've been around on this planet for some years now. I've learned that those who think like you are generally so wrapped up into themselves that they're incapable of thinking of someone or something besides themselves.
Ruck up, Sir Dipshit, and come out to perform your own service to the Nation.
THEN you may begin to talk about Freedom of Speech in a context that actually makes sense. Destroying somebody else's property does not equate to free speech, as others have already said.
And yeah, go ahead and **** with my flag, Sir Dipshit. I'm not sure that there would be much left of you, once your criminal behavior was observed and dealt with.
Liberal pussies like you are usually good for only one thing - worm food.
Wonderful Post.
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:bow2:
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I hope the prickless wonderlib has obamacare because he's going to need lots of it.
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Just a couple weeks ago, I dug an 18" round hole 30" deep. (I dug the hole on my private property, just in case you're wondering.) I had to dig through a 3-inch layer of gravel, but that gave way to good old-fashioned Missouri clay. Digging that hole was a simple thing. It took me a couple hours and about 5 trips with the wheelbarrow loaded with what I'd dug out to a brush pile. I did a fair amount of sweating, and the effort cost me an aching back, several blisters, and a sore elbow.
But I got an enormous sense of pride out of the experience.
You see, Sir Dipshit, I had a 20-foot flagpole that was going to go in that hole. I installed that flagpole in the hole, and anchored it with not less than 480 lbs. of concrete. I mixed each 80 lb. bag one at a time in my wheelbarrow before carefully pouring it into the hole and keeping the lower section of the flagpole plumb.
I installed a solar-powered light on the flagpole, because U.S. flag courtesy recommends it.
Once all the hardware was installed, I then clipped on and adjusted a 4x6 ft. U.S. flag. Underneath that flag, I clipped on and adjusted a 3x5 ft. U.S. Army flag.
Once all that was done, I hoisted the flag, presented arms, and thought about how puny and insignificant my aching back and blisters were, compared with those heroes in Afghanistan and in Iraq who didn't have the opportunity to install their own flagpole on their own property - for the simple reason that they came home in a box.
That flag means more to me than you'll ever know or understand, Sir Dipshit. It means sacrifice, pain, and separation from family and country. But it also signifies honor, integrity, service, and esprit - these are qualities that, again, you have no concept of.
I've been around on this planet for some years now. I've learned that those who think like you are generally so wrapped up into themselves that they're incapable of thinking of someone or something besides themselves.
Ruck up, Sir Dipshit, and come out to perform your own service to the Nation.
THEN you may begin to talk about Freedom of Speech in a context that actually makes sense. Destroying somebody else's property does not equate to free speech, as others have already said.
And yeah, go ahead and **** with my flag, Sir Dipshit. I'm not sure that there would be much left of you, once your criminal behavior was observed and dealt with.
Liberal pussies like you are usually good for only one thing - worm food.
Bravo, sir, bravo! :clap:
Well said....
Most of us out here over 40 were raised correctly, unlike those that came after us....
We learned the 3 "R's", history, respect, pride, and love of country....
We were taught what the flag means, what it ACTUALLY stands for, not the liberal shit de jour dreamed up by some Ayers or Alinsky wannabe....
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Just a couple weeks ago, I dug an 18" round hole 30" deep. (I dug the hole on my private property, just in case you're wondering.) I had to dig through a 3-inch layer of gravel, but that gave way to good old-fashioned Missouri clay. Digging that hole was a simple thing. It took me a couple hours and about 5 trips with the wheelbarrow loaded with what I'd dug out to a brush pile. I did a fair amount of sweating, and the effort cost me an aching back, several blisters, and a sore elbow.
But I got an enormous sense of pride out of the experience.
You see, Sir Dipshit, I had a 20-foot flagpole that was going to go in that hole. I installed that flagpole in the hole, and anchored it with not less than 480 lbs. of concrete. I mixed each 80 lb. bag one at a time in my wheelbarrow before carefully pouring it into the hole and keeping the lower section of the flagpole plumb.
I installed a solar-powered light on the flagpole, because U.S. flag courtesy recommends it.
Once all the hardware was installed, I then clipped on and adjusted a 4x6 ft. U.S. flag. Underneath that flag, I clipped on and adjusted a 3x5 ft. U.S. Army flag.
Once all that was done, I hoisted the flag, presented arms, and thought about how puny and insignificant my aching back and blisters were, compared with those heroes in Afghanistan and in Irag who didn't have the opportunity to install their own flagpole on their own property - for the simple reason that they came home in a box.
That flag means more to me than you'll ever know or understand, Sir Dipshit. It means sacrifice, pain, and separation from family and country. But it also signifies honor, integrity, service, and esprit - these are qualities that, again, you have no concept of.
I've been around on this planet for some years now. I've learned that those who think like you are generally so wrapped up into themselves that they're incapable of thinking of someone or something besides themselves.
Ruck up, Sir Dipshit, and come out to perform your own service to the Nation.
THEN you may begin to talk about Freedom of Speech in a context that actually makes sense. Destroying somebody else's property does not equate to free speech, as others have already said.
And yeah, go ahead and **** with my flag, Sir Dipshit. I'm not sure that there would be much left of you, once your criminal behavior was observed and dealt with.
Liberal pussies like you are usually good for only one thing - worm food.
Two things:
1) I'm not sure that any self-respecting worm would eat a lefty corpse. Think of all of the toxins inside said corpse.
2) Euph, :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Just a couple weeks ago, I dug an 18" round hole 30" deep. (I dug the hole on my private property, just in case you're wondering.) I had to dig through a 3-inch layer of gravel, but that gave way to good old-fashioned Missouri clay. Digging that hole was a simple thing. It took me a couple hours and about 5 trips with the wheelbarrow loaded with what I'd dug out to a brush pile. I did a fair amount of sweating, and the effort cost me an aching back, several blisters, and a sore elbow.
But I got an enormous sense of pride out of the experience.
You see, Sir Dipshit, I had a 20-foot flagpole that was going to go in that hole. I installed that flagpole in the hole, and anchored it with not less than 480 lbs. of concrete. I mixed each 80 lb. bag one at a time in my wheelbarrow before carefully pouring it into the hole and keeping the lower section of the flagpole plumb.
I installed a solar-powered light on the flagpole, because U.S. flag courtesy recommends it.
Once all the hardware was installed, I then clipped on and adjusted a 4x6 ft. U.S. flag. Underneath that flag, I clipped on and adjusted a 3x5 ft. U.S. Army flag.
Once all that was done, I hoisted the flag, presented arms, and thought about how puny and insignificant my aching back and blisters were, compared with those heroes in Afghanistan and in Irag who didn't have the opportunity to install their own flagpole on their own property - for the simple reason that they came home in a box.
That flag means more to me than you'll ever know or understand, Sir Dipshit. It means sacrifice, pain, and separation from family and country. But it also signifies honor, integrity, service, and esprit - these are qualities that, again, you have no concept of.
I've been around on this planet for some years now. I've learned that those who think like you are generally so wrapped up into themselves that they're incapable of thinking of someone or something besides themselves.
Ruck up, Sir Dipshit, and come out to perform your own service to the Nation.
THEN you may begin to talk about Freedom of Speech in a context that actually makes sense. Destroying somebody else's property does not equate to free speech, as others have already said.
And yeah, go ahead and **** with my flag, Sir Dipshit. I'm not sure that there would be much left of you, once your criminal behavior was observed and dealt with.
Liberal pussies like you are usually good for only one thing - worm food.
Hi,
Thank you for sharing. :clap:
If nothing else, America seems to be coming together again as a country around the constitutional values. It is not the flag....it is what the flag stands for...that most of the idiots will never understand. Freedom is not a right, it is a priviledge, and anyone who has ever spent any time in the military will attest to that fact. If you happen to have "freedom of speech" thank a soldier...
regards,
5412
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Hoorah, Euph. Now let's see the no-show libtard try to retort. Hell, I'd like to see him show up.
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Eupher, great post. Thank you for sharing that.
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I kinda suspect we are wasting our breath. I picture him right now composing his bouncy tale, about how he infiltrated a teabirther group, pointed out the errors in their uninformed logic, and converted them all to Obamabots.
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Oh stfu already BC, I doubt you pasty ass is going to brave going outside to meet me today. Be sure to bring one of those big bad firearms you're always talking about. Should this meeting come to blows it's the only thing that's going to save you, slapnuts.
Says the gutless coward that refused to show his lilly white, chickenshit ass at the meeting with Bad Cat.
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It is fantastic to read that people are showing others just how important our national symbols are, ie. our nation's flag. I wonder just how "easy" this flag burner thought he would get through the punishment he had chosen. Clearly, he is not an any way knowledgeable about history. Where his first two choices for punishment, though physically painfull, would be short lived. He picked the third option, not physically painfull, but chock full of mental humiliation.
This has a great potential to follow him around as a brand for the rest of his life. If he isn't permanently "stuck" on stupid mode, that is.
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That post you made Eupher brought tears to my eyes thank you for not only showing respect for our flag but the Army one as well
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Says the gutless coward that refused to show his lilly white, chickenshit ass at the meeting with Bad Cat.
I see gutless cowards like this all the time. The only way they show up is if you hunt them down and cuff 'em! They're real bad ass on the phone. Once I show up outside their door with the cuffs, they run like hell! I guaranDamnTeeYa our pet libturd Lleu, is just like 'em!
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Hey Euph....
I just love you!!!
:blowkiss: :bow: :blowkiss:
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Good. About time. Vandalism is NOT free speech.
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Man got what he deserved IMHO
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Hey Euph....
I just love you!!!
:blowkiss: :bow: :blowkiss:
Deb, Does this mean you cut me a deal on closing costs? :innocent: :heart:
Thanks to all for your supportive comments. This is a heady subject for me and He Who Was Banned struck a bit of a nerve.
BTW, I ordered a U.S Army, Retired flag. It came in today. It will go up in the next day or two in place of the U.S. Army flag.
That's what I love about BAF - (big ass flagpoles). You can put multiple flags on 'em!
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Turned into police? For what? Exercising his first amendment rights? "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" You people really are ****ing stupid aren't you? The VFW post should be shut down and those responsible should be arrested for unlawful detainment.
You know, libtard ideology never really survives it's first contact with reality, does it? Does anyone think it would help to explain that "exercising his First Amendment Rights" on private property without the prior consent of the owner is illegal? Or that maybe screwing around with a bunch of people who know how to handle weapons makes one a rapidly self correcting problem?
Nah, I didn't think so either....
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He's a fool. Contrast what he said there with what he posted in another thread...
That makes no sense, but I know what you're trying to say. I never said that any of that was ok. You assumed I thought it was. My point was that the VFW broke the law too. Vigilantism is illegal.
BTW, good to see you again. :cheersmate:
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His crime of vandalism still doesn't justify tying him up like that. They should have turned him over to the police and had him charged with trespassing, vandalism, etc. Would arson stick or does that have to be a building?
His own flag on his own property would have fallen under free speech. I would fight for his right to do that, although avoiding the temptation to punch him would be a challenge...
Freedom is a right. It's not a privilege granted to us by nice soldiers and politicians. Power is not granted to our government to take away our freedom of speech, even speech we despise. If we let the government tell us we can't burn an American flag, what's next? They start deciding what clothes we wear, what color we paint our houses, or what church to go to?
We salute the brave men and women who ensure that we have such freedoms, but they don't grant those freedoms.
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His crime of vandalism still doesn't justify tying him up like that. They should have turned him over to the police and had him charged with trespassing, vandalism, etc. Would arson stick or does that have to be a building?
The scumbag was given the choice of being publicly humiliated as he was or of being turned into the police. He chose his own punishment.
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The scumbag was given the choice of being publicly humiliated as he was or of being turned into the police. He chose his own punishment.
A fair point, but that choice was coerced. He chose the humiliation because he thought it was the easier of the two bad choices. It's still unlawful detainment.
Plus, I would have given him the opposite of whichever he chose :D
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A fair point, but that choice was coerced. He chose the humiliation because he thought it was the easier of the two bad choices. It's still unlawful detainment.
Plus, I would have given him the opposite of whichever he chose :D
How do you unlawfully detain someone who volunteered to do it?
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A fair point, but that choice was coerced. He chose the humiliation because he thought it was the easier of the two bad choices. It's still unlawful detainment.
So let him go to the police and file a complaint.
Plus, I would have given him the opposite of whichever he chose :D
He got what he deserved.
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A fair point, but that choice was coerced. He chose the humiliation because he thought it was the easier of the two bad choices. It's still unlawful detainment.
How exactly is it unlawful if he got to choose?
Plus, I would have given him the opposite of whichever he chose :D
If he had chosen to go to the police, you would have tied him up??? WTH??? THAT would be unlawful detainment.
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That last part was a joke. Since he'd naturally choose the option that is less disagreeable, giving him the other option would be harsher.
To tie him up was still unlawful detainment because they coerced him into doing it. A more extreme example: if I say "Hey lady have sex with me or I'll hurt your child," it's still rape.
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That last part was a joke. Since he'd naturally choose the option that is less disagreeable, giving him the other option would be harsher.
To tie him up was still unlawful detainment because they coerced him into doing it. A more extreme example: if I say "Hey lady have sex with me or I'll hurt your child," it's still rape.
And both the choices you gave were illegal. If he consented to being detained versus being turned in to police, then he's going to have a difficult time claiming unlawful detention. Therein lies the flaw in your logic.
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It's still coercion.
Fine, legal example.
"Have sex with me lady or I'll tell your husband you've been cheating on him."
Cheating isn't illegal, nor is telling the husband. It's still coerced sex and therefore rape.
Coerced detainment is still unlawful. Coerced consent is not consent.
Of course, I'm no lawyer.
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Of course, I'm no lawyer.
Yeah, we kinda gathered that. Look up the definition of "duress" and get back to us, will ya?
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It's still coercion.
Fine, legal example.
"Have sex with me lady or I'll tell your husband you've been cheating on him."
Cheating isn't illegal, nor is telling the husband. It's still coerced sex and therefore rape.
Coerced detainment is still unlawful. Coerced consent is not consent.
Of course, I'm no lawyer.
That's true, your not a lawyer. Using your logic, all people that say "I love you too" so they can have sex are committing rape.
Actually Adultery is illegal in many states.
So is it coercion when a cop gives you a ticket??? I mean you have to make a choice of just pay it or appear in court............the choice is yours............just like the idjit was given by the VFW.
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It's still coercion.
Only to an idiot. Care to elaborate? How was this coersion done? He had 3 choices. Where is the evidence that they forced him to pick this option over the other 2?
Fine, legal example.
"Have sex with me lady or I'll tell your husband you've been cheating on him."
Cheating isn't illegal, nor is telling the husband. It's still coerced sex and therefore rape.
Slander is illegal, and so is libel, moron.
Coerced detainment is still unlawful. Coerced consent is not consent.
Of course, I'm no lawyer.
Obviously.
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It's still coercion.
He was given a choice. He made the choice. In court, the jurors or judge determines one's fate.
Fine, legal example.
"Have sex with me lady or I'll tell your husband you've been cheating on him."
Cheating isn't illegal, nor is telling the husband. It's still coerced sex and therefore rape.
Chearing is illegal and is in the books. It is rarely enforced though.
Coerced detainment is still unlawful. Coerced consent is not consent.
Of course, I'm no lawyer.
He was not coerced once again.
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That last part was a joke. Since he'd naturally choose the option that is less disagreeable, giving him the other option would be harsher.
Not in this day and age with out politically correct law enforcement agencies.
To tie him up was still unlawful detainment because they coerced him into doing it. A more extreme example: if I say "Hey lady have sex with me or I'll hurt your child," it's still rape.
That's crap and you know it. It's an apples and orages comparison.
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Dictionary says..
Duress
1 : forcibe restraint or restriction
2 : compulsion by threat; specifically : unlawful constraint
Coerce
1 : to restrain or dominate by force <religion in the past has tried to coerce the irreligious — W. R. Inge>
2 : to compel to an act or choice <was coerced into agreeing>
3 : to achieve by force or threat <coerce compliance>
His other options were physical violence or arrest. That seems like a threat to me. The legal argument could be made that he was coerced into being tied up. It's a blurry line, I'll admit, and ultimately it would be up to the jury. (who would likely not be sympathetic to him after his crimes)
So to summarize my opinion:
Jackass who commits crimes should have been turned over to the police instead. Tying him up is a legally shaky thing to do and could have resulted in charges placed against his "captors." The criminal record alone could put him in a hot spot when he has to explain it at his next job interview. He deserves something a little more long-term.
Try to separate yourself from how offensive flag burning is. His only actual crime was vandalism and trespass.
"If a jerk burns a flag, America is not threatened. If a jerk burns a flag, democracy is not under siege. If a jerk burns a flag, freedom is not at risk and we are not threatened. My colleagues, we are offended; and to change our Constitution because someone offends us is, in itself, unconscionable,"
-- Rep. Gary Ackerman
Had he burned his own flag on his own property, I would have to let him express himself. I'd be pissed. I'd say all sorts of nasty things to him that I can't write here. But he's got a right to do it.
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Dictionary says..
Duress
Coerce
We're all really impressed that you know how to cut & paste from a dictionary. ::)
His other options were physical violence or arrest. That seems like a threat to me. The legal argument could be made that he was coerced into being tied up. It's a blurry line, I'll admit, and ultimately it would be up to the jury. (who would likely not be sympathetic to him after his crimes)
Still waiting for evidence of the coersion.
So to summarize my opinion:
Jackass who commits crimes should have been turned over to the police instead.
Once again....it was HIS choice. The gave him an option...one that would not show up on a police record.
Tying him up is a legally shaky thing to do and could have resulted in charges placed against his "captors."
Again, what law was broken? Look up the word "volunteer" in your dictioinary.
The criminal record alone could put him in a hot spot when he has to explain it at his next job interview.
He also made the choice to burn the flag. Choices have consequences.
He deserves something a little more long-term.
Humiliation in a small town can last a long time.
Try to separate yourself from how offensive flag burning is. His only actual crime was vandalism and trespass.
...and he was given 3 choices of the consequences to follow.
Had he burned his own flag on his own property, I would have to let him express himself. I'd be pissed. I'd say all sorts of nasty things to him that I can't write here. But he's got a right to do it.
That's a lame-ass argument. He didn't burn his own flag, moron. He burned someone else's.
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Do we have another new chew toy?
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Do we have another new chew toy?
This one's DUmber than the last one. He/she has a dictionary, but has no idea what the words mean.
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I wish we could have a special section in here and call it chew toys
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His other options were physical violence or arrest. That seems like a threat to me. The legal argument could be made that he was coerced into being tied up. It's a blurry line, I'll admit, and ultimately it would be up to the jury. (who would likely not be sympathetic to him after his crimes)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/volunteer
volunteer
1. a person who voluntarily offers himself or herself for a service or undertaking.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
Jackass who commits crimes should have been turned over to the police instead. Tying him up is a legally shaky thing to do and could have resulted in charges placed against his "captors." The criminal record alone could put him in a hot spot when he has to explain it at his next job interview. He deserves something a little more long-term.
What he volunteered for (option 3) is a far cry from what he should have gotten which would have been a healthy dose of option 2 followed by option 1 without his input.
Quite frankly, he chose what would be the easiest option to an immature idiot that has no shame. I highly doubt this little princess was shamed into anything since he probably thinks the axis of the world runs through the top of his head and out of the crack of his ass. To normal people it would be shameful; anyone who attempts to damage the property of others in a fit of pique is not a normal, functioning human being.
Try to separate yourself from how offensive flag burning is. His only actual crime was vandalism and trespass.
How offensive a bratty kid attempting to thumb his nose at the very people who protect his freedom has nothing to do with what he volunteered to do.
Had he burned his own flag on his own property, I would have to let him express himself. I'd be pissed. I'd say all sorts of nasty things to him that I can't write here. But he's got a right to do it.
Really? What would you say?
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Choice 1: Jail. (jail is negative and therefore a threat)
Choice 2: Ass kicking (obviously a threat)
Choice 3: Humiliation.
He was threatened into option 3. Just because he technically had an option doesn't mean he wasn't coerced! Yes, he volunteered. While under threat of bodily harm or jail.
Kinda like how people volunteered when drafted in Vietnam, since their other options were jail or fleeing to Canada. They "chose" to be in the army, even if they were against the whole idea.
As for what I would say? I'd say pretty much what you said. He's a coward who doesn't understand in the least what that flag should represent to him. He doesn't understand just how many people have died to give him the right be such a little useless piece of flesh. He's got no sense of decency or respect for anything and deserves to die miserable and alone.
Except I'd use a lot more profanity.
Choices do have consequences, but I don't support kicking someones ass just because they do something offensive. It's a slippery slope when you decide that you should be the one dealing out punishment for breaking the law. What's next? Slap in the face for jaywalking? Maybe a slashed tire for running a red light. I know, let's just beat the crap out of anyone who offends me.
And yes, lug-nut, I KNOW HE DIDNT BURN HIS OWN FLAG. Reread the sentence you quoted. "Had he burned his own flag..."
HAD HE. IF HE HAD.
What he actually did was break the law (vandalism), and the law should handle it.
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Kinda like how people volunteered when drafted in Vietnam, since their other options were jail or fleeing to Canada. They "chose" to be in the army, even if they were against the whole idea.
I'll have you know, you useless sack of ****, my daddy volunteered for active duty in 1966 and went to Vietnam because he believed in honorably executing his orders. Just like I did for the past 22 years. Pick another example.
Choices do have consequences, but I don't support kicking someones ass just because they do something offensive. It's a slippery slope when you decide that you should be the one dealing out punishment for breaking the law. What's next? Slap in the face for jaywalking? Maybe a slashed tire for running a red light. I know, let's just beat the crap out of anyone who offends me.
I don't, either, but I will absolutely exercise my rights to defend my private property from destruction. This is a concept which appears to be completely lost upon you.
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Choices do have consequences, but I don't support kicking someones ass just because they do something offensive.
Sometimes you NEED to get your ass kicked in life. You're about due. :-)
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Choice 1: Jail. (jail is negative and therefore a threat)
Choice 2: Ass kicking (obviously a threat)
Choice 3: Humiliation.
He was threatened into option 3. Just because he technically had an option doesn't mean he wasn't coerced! Yes, he volunteered. While under threat of bodily harm or jail.
Here's a novel thought...this idiot could have avoided all of the above by not being a giant bag of douche and burning a damn U.S. flag.
Kinda like how people volunteered when drafted in Vietnam, since their other options were jail or fleeing to Canada. They "chose" to be in the army, even if they were against the whole idea.
Kid you should really engage your brain before you make stupid uneducated statements like that.
Choices do have consequences, but I don't support kicking someones ass just because they do something offensive. It's a slippery slope when you decide that you should be the one dealing out punishment for breaking the law. What's next? Slap in the face for jaywalking? Maybe a slashed tire for running a red light. I know, let's just beat the crap out of anyone who offends me.
You're broadbrush ideology belies your age.
What he actually did was break the law (vandalism), and the law should handle it.
Yet he chose not to.
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A criminal chose not to get arrested. How utterly shocking.
So what you guys are saying is that people SHOULD take the law into their own hands? That's great news, because I see people run red lights around here all the time and I'd love to run them off the road so that they stop being a danger to others.
Yes, this guy could have avoided the situation by not being a criminal. Manson could have avoided that whole mess by not being a psychotic murderer. But he didn't. So the law dealt with him.
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A criminal chose not to get arrested. How utterly shocking.
And you are complaining why?
So what you guys are saying is that people SHOULD take the law into their own hands?
Nope. The perp had the option to go to the police. Anyone with 2 or 3 functioning brain cells and is threatened in any way would opt for the police.
That's great news, because I see people run red lights around here all the time and I'd love to run them off the road so that they stop being a danger to others.
Knock yourself out.
Yes, this guy could have avoided the situation by not being a criminal. Manson could have avoided that whole mess by not being a psychotic murderer. But he didn't. So the law dealt with him.
Yet he chose not to go to the police.
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So what you guys are saying is that people SHOULD take the law into their own hands?
I've followed this thread fairly carefully and have heard the arguments on both sides.
Deuce, your question smacks of putting words into mouths - I'm pretty sure nobody said that. And the practice of putting words into others' mouths is not a great way to debate, your Socratic method notwithstanding.
This incident is a loooooooooong way from vigilantism. Nobody was strung up, tracked down, shot, or beaten up (that we know of). Had those things happened, maybe the law would've taken notice. Maybe.
A group of VFW vets decided that the theft and destruction of a piece of property warranted action on their part. They took action out of defense for their property.
Your approach seems to want to nullify that kind of action.
Ain't gonna happen, apparently.
Why do you continue to argue?
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Since the guy was set out on a public street, I find it doubtful that "the law" didn't know about it.
They obviously found it acceptable or they would have done something to change the situation.
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I've followed this thread fairly carefully and have heard the arguments on both sides.
Deuce, your question smacks of putting words into mouths - I'm pretty sure nobody said that. And the practice of putting words into others' mouths is not a great way to debate, your Socratic method notwithstanding.
This incident is a loooooooooong way from vigilantism. Nobody was strung up, tracked down, shot, or beaten up (that we know of). Had those things happened, maybe the law would've taken notice. Maybe.
A group of VFW vets decided that the theft and destruction of a piece of property warranted action on their part. They took action out of defense for their property.
Your approach seems to want to nullify that kind of action.
Ain't gonna happen, apparently.
Why do you continue to argue?
I'll be very clear and concise then.
I think people witnessing crimes should report it to the police. If they are able to do so safely, they should detain the criminal until the police arrive to deal with them. This is preferable to administering their own justice.
This guy did get what he deserved, but I would have preferred another outcome.
That's it. That's my opinion.
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I'll be very clear and concise then.
I think people witnessing crimes should report it to the police. If they are able to do so safely, they should detain the criminal until the police arrive to deal with them. This is preferable to administering their own justice.
This guy did get what he deserved, but I would have preferred another outcome.
That's it. That's my opinion.
Fair enough.
Now, let's speculate a little bit. Let's just say the cops aren't the slightest bit interested in what happens to Bubba (beyond physical harm). Let's say that they tacitly support the idea of the VFW taking matters into their hands in precisely this fashion. Of course, the cops can't say that - it would be politically incorrect and legally a problem as well. But let's just say that it's a small town in Texas and the cops are going to look the other way.
Any problem with that?
Furthermore, which kind of justice do you think Bubba is going to remember? A silly-assed citation and a fine for $50 for destruction of property, or a couple hours in the stocks?
My bet's on the stocks. And my bet's on the cops knowing that and appreciating the rather novel approach of the VFW vets.
Shit, if you can't defend your home away from home (to many VFW vets, that's exactly what it is), then WTF can you defend?
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I'll be very clear and concise then.
I think people witnessing crimes should report it to the police. If they are able to do so safely, they should detain the criminal until the police arrive to deal with them. This is preferable to administering their own justice.
This guy did get what he deserved, but I would have preferred another outcome.
That's it. That's my opinion.
So... If you saw a mugging in progress, you'd just call the cops and wait?
I'd be wading in and kicking the muggers ass.
Then I would call the cops.
But to each their own.
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I don't see the problem. I know of no reason any asshat would defend this frikkin' loser. Not only did he disgrace himself, his country, and the Vets, but he got off with nothing more than humiliation. It's a wonder one of the Vets didn't stomp a mud puddle in is ass. They had friends who died for that Flag!
Ya know using the stocks worked well in olden times, perhaps we should bring it back. Lord knows how low we have sunk in this politically correct society. Morally, this country is bankrupt! If we brought back some of the old ways we could cut down on the soaring crime rate in our inner cities.
Oh, and Dooosh, you're an argument waiting to happen. Nothing you have posted makes any sense! Go play on the freeway. You sure are pushing Anti-American puke it seems to me. I think the only reason you are here is to push some buttons so you can get a reaction to your liberal drivel.
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So... If you saw a mugging in progress, you'd just call the cops and wait?
I'd be wading in and kicking the muggers ass.
Then I would call the cops.
But to each their own.
Did you read what I said? If you are able to do so safely, detain the mugger. (obviously a 100 pound woman shouldn't be trying to take down a 200 pound mugger) Then call the police. You may use the force necessary to subdue the criminal, but the authority to exact revenge is not granted to you.
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Did you read what I said? If you are able to do so safely, detain the mugger. (obviously a 100 pound woman shouldn't be trying to take down a 200 pound mugger) Then call the police. You may use the force necessary to subdue the criminal, but the authority to exact revenge is not granted to you.
quit moving the goalposts, ass clown
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Did you read what I said? If you are able to do so safely, detain the mugger. (obviously a 100 pound woman shouldn't be trying to take down a 200 pound mugger) Then call the police. You may use the force necessary to subdue the criminal, but the authority to exact revenge is not granted to you.
It would have been better for them to have kicked the crap out of this guy and then to have called police? That is what you are saying.
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(obviously a 100 pound woman shouldn't be trying to take down a 200 pound mugger)
That's what handguns are for.
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A 100 pound woman with a gun is able to safely subdue a mugger.
No, I'm not saying kick the crap out of someone. Use the force that is necessary to detain them. The same way when police do it, the amount of force necessary depends on how much they resist.
edit: Using MORE force than is necessary is getting into the realm of exacting revenge.
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A 100 pound woman with a gun is able to safely subdue a mugger.
No, I'm not saying kick the crap out of someone. Use the force that is necessary to detain them. The same way when police do it, the amount of force necessary depends on how much they resist.
edit: Using MORE force than is necessary is getting into the realm of exacting revenge.
Yet something else we disagree on.
And I'll ask you the same question i've asked you before - who decides where the goal post is on this one?
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A 100 pound woman with a gun is able to safely subdue a mugger.
No, I'm not saying kick the crap out of someone. Use the force that is necessary to detain them. The same way when police do it, the amount of force necessary depends on how much they resist.
edit: Using MORE force than is necessary is getting into the realm of exacting revenge.
Oh, really? If I'm armed (as I am usually, since I have a CCW), does that mean I can shoot him when he starts running away? I ain't gonna chase the bastard down - I have bad knees.
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Oh, really? If I'm armed (as I am usually, since I have a CCW), does that mean I can shoot him when he starts running away? I ain't gonna chase the bastard down - I have bad knees.
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Could I sick my beagle on them? She's quite friendly , but would probably trip them up trying to hump their leg.
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Could I sick my beagle on them? She's quite friendly , but would probably trip them up trying to hump their leg.
She's gotta be a little mixed up, thundley. A female dog humping legs? :p
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She's gotta be a little mixed up, thundley. A female dog humping legs? :p
It's actually quite common for unspayed female dogs . She also has ten nipples instead of the normal 8.
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It's actually quite common for unspayed female dogs . She also has ten nipples instead of the normal 8.
Uh, okay. Something I learned today....
Both our dogs are female, but they're both spayed. Don't want no gennulmen callers hangin' about at all hours of the night!
Anyway, back to the subject.
As has been noted at least once (in the story), the perp had an option (Number #1, actually) of dealing with the cops; of going one-on-one with a VFW member in a fight (Number #2), or getting duct-taped to the flagpole (Number #3).
He chose Number #3. So the cops were always an option, at least for the perp. He opted not to go down that road.
Since perps of this nature are all inclined to take the soft, easy approach on anything, he evidently thought that public humilation was better than getting his ass kicked or being charged by the cops for theft and destruction of property.
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A criminal chose not to get arrested. How utterly shocking.
Actually, a criminal chooses to be a criminal. The arrest part is standard with the criminal part....
So what you guys are saying is that people SHOULD take the law into their own hands? That's great news, because I see people run red lights around here all the time and I'd love to run them off the road so that they stop being a danger to others.
If someone is breaking into my house, yes, I WILL take the law (as well as a weapon) into my own hands. Texas allows anyone carrying a gun to use it to protect another person in a life-threatening situation....
IF you choose to run red light runner off the road, by all means go for it. I'd just take down their license plate number and notify the police. If the driver is running red lights, he's not obeying a lot of other traffic laws as well, and he will be caught....
Yes, this guy could have avoided the situation by not being a criminal. Manson could have avoided that whole mess by not being a psychotic murderer. But he didn't. So the law dealt with him.
This guy was given 3 choices for his punishment. He chose the one he wanted....
I thought you libs were "pro-choice", or does that only apply to abortion....
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I thought you libs were "pro-choice", or does that only apply to abortion....
Being in favor of law enforcement dealing with lawbreakers makes me a liberal? You're backwards, it's dumbass liberal skateboarding children who are always saying "f- the pigs man! fascists!"
Abortion is murder. Try again.
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Being in favor of law enforcement dealing with lawbreakers makes me a liberal? You're backwards, it's dumbass liberal skateboarding children who are always saying "f- the pigs man! fascists!"
Abortion is murder. Try again.
Dude, the courts have already ruled the police aren't there to prevent crime. So who else is gonna do it?
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Being in favor of law enforcement dealing with lawbreakers makes me a liberal? You're backwards, it's dumbass liberal skateboarding children who are always saying "f- the pigs man! fascists!"
Abortion is murder. Try again.
Nitpicking details about a non-issue to the point of menusha makes you a liberal....
Not understanding my statement and trying to make it out as pro-abortion makes you a liberal, or a dumbass....
To quote W. C. Fields: "Go away, kid. You bother me."
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I was refuting your implication that I was pro-abortion, not implying that you were.
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I was refuting your implication that I was pro-abortion, not implying that you were.
I never implied you were pro-abortion, numbnuts....
I inferred if "pro-choice" to a liberal only applied to abortion, or could it mean any choice....
Thanks for making it clear to me....