Suspected flag burner pilloried

[Deuce]

A criminal chose not to get arrested. How utterly shocking.

So what you guys are saying is that people SHOULD take the law into their own hands? That's great news, because I see people run red lights around here all the time and I'd love to run them off the road so that they stop being a danger to others.

Yes, this guy could have avoided the situation by not being a criminal. Manson could have avoided that whole mess by not being a psychotic murderer. But he didn't. So the law dealt with him.

[Chris_]

A criminal chose not to get arrested. How utterly shocking.

And you are complaining why?

So what you guys are saying is that people SHOULD take the law into their own hands?

Nope.  The perp had the option to go to the police.  Anyone with 2 or 3 functioning brain cells and is threatened in any way would opt for the police.

That's great news, because I see people run red lights around here all the time and I'd love to run them off the road so that they stop being a danger to others. 

Knock yourself out.

Yes, this guy could have avoided the situation by not being a criminal. Manson could have avoided that whole mess by not being a psychotic murderer. But he didn't. So the law dealt with him.

Yet he chose not to go to the police.

[Eupher]

So what you guys are saying is that people SHOULD take the law into their own hands?

I've followed this thread fairly carefully and have heard the arguments on both sides.

Deuce, your question smacks of putting words into mouths - I'm pretty sure nobody said that. And the practice of putting words into others' mouths is not a great way to debate, your Socratic method notwithstanding.

This incident is a loooooooooong way from vigilantism. Nobody was strung up, tracked down, shot, or beaten up (that we know of). Had those things happened, maybe the law would've taken notice. Maybe.

A group of VFW vets decided that the theft and destruction of a piece of property warranted action on their part. They took action out of defense for their property.

Your approach seems to want to nullify that kind of action.

Ain't gonna happen, apparently.

Why do you continue to argue?

[debk]

Since the guy was set out on a public street, I find it doubtful that "the law" didn't know about it.

They obviously found it acceptable or they would have done something to change the situation.

[Deuce]

I've followed this thread fairly carefully and have heard the arguments on both sides.

Deuce, your question smacks of putting words into mouths - I'm pretty sure nobody said that. And the practice of putting words into others' mouths is not a great way to debate, your Socratic method notwithstanding.

This incident is a loooooooooong way from vigilantism. Nobody was strung up, tracked down, shot, or beaten up (that we know of). Had those things happened, maybe the law would've taken notice. Maybe.

A group of VFW vets decided that the theft and destruction of a piece of property warranted action on their part. They took action out of defense for their property.

Your approach seems to want to nullify that kind of action.

Ain't gonna happen, apparently.

Why do you continue to argue?

I'll be very clear and concise then.

I think people witnessing crimes should report it to the police. If they are able to do so safely, they should detain the criminal until the police arrive to deal with them. This is preferable to administering their own justice.

This guy did get what he deserved, but I would have preferred another outcome.

That's it. That's my opinion.

[Eupher]

I'll be very clear and concise then.

I think people witnessing crimes should report it to the police. If they are able to do so safely, they should detain the criminal until the police arrive to deal with them. This is preferable to administering their own justice.

This guy did get what he deserved, but I would have preferred another outcome.

That's it. That's my opinion.

Fair enough.

Now, let's speculate a little bit. Let's just say the cops aren't the slightest bit interested in what happens to Bubba (beyond physical harm). Let's say that they tacitly support the idea of the VFW taking matters into their hands in precisely this fashion. Of course, the cops can't say that - it would be politically incorrect and legally a problem as well. But let's just say that it's a small town in Texas and the cops are going to look the other way.

Any problem with that?

Furthermore, which kind of justice do you think Bubba is going to remember? A silly-assed citation and a fine for $50 for destruction of property, or a couple hours in the stocks?

My bet's on the stocks. And my bet's on the cops knowing that and appreciating the rather novel approach of the VFW vets.

Shit, if you can't defend your home away from home (to many VFW vets, that's exactly what it is), then WTF can you defend?

[rich_t]

I'll be very clear and concise then.

I think people witnessing crimes should report it to the police. If they are able to do so safely, they should detain the criminal until the police arrive to deal with them. This is preferable to administering their own justice.

This guy did get what he deserved, but I would have preferred another outcome.

That's it. That's my opinion.

So... If you saw a mugging in progress, you'd just call the cops and wait?

I'd be wading in and kicking the muggers ass.

Then I would call the cops.

But to each their own.

[AllosaursRus]

I don't see the problem. I know of no reason any asshat would defend this frikkin' loser. Not only did he disgrace himself, his country, and the Vets, but he got off with nothing more than humiliation. It's a wonder one of the Vets didn't stomp a mud puddle in is ass. They had friends who died for that Flag!

Ya know using the stocks worked well in olden times, perhaps we should bring it back. Lord knows how low we have sunk in this politically correct society. Morally, this country is bankrupt! If we brought back some of the old ways we could cut down on the soaring crime rate in our inner cities.

Oh, and Dooosh, you're an argument waiting to happen. Nothing you have posted makes any sense! Go play on the freeway. You sure are pushing Anti-American puke it seems to me. I think the only reason you are here is to push some buttons so you can get a reaction to your liberal drivel.

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[Deuce]

So... If you saw a mugging in progress, you'd just call the cops and wait?

I'd be wading in and kicking the muggers ass.

Then I would call the cops.

But to each their own.

Did you read what I said? If you are able to do so safely, detain the mugger. (obviously a 100 pound woman shouldn't be trying to take down a 200 pound mugger) Then call the police. You may use the force necessary to subdue the criminal, but the authority to exact revenge is not granted to you.

[dutch508]

Did you read what I said? If you are able to do so safely, detain the mugger. (obviously a 100 pound woman shouldn't be trying to take down a 200 pound mugger) Then call the police. You may use the force necessary to subdue the criminal, but the authority to exact revenge is not granted to you.

quit moving the goalposts, ass clown

[thundley4]

Did you read what I said? If you are able to do so safely, detain the mugger. (obviously a 100 pound woman shouldn't be trying to take down a 200 pound mugger) Then call the police. You may use the force necessary to subdue the criminal, but the authority to exact revenge is not granted to you.

It would have been better for them to have kicked the crap out of this guy and then to have called police?  That is what you are saying.

[rich_t]

(obviously a 100 pound woman shouldn't be trying to take down a 200 pound mugger)

That's what handguns are for.

[Deuce]

A 100 pound woman with a gun is able to safely subdue a mugger.

No, I'm not saying kick the crap out of someone. Use the force that is necessary to detain them. The same way when police do it, the amount of force necessary depends on how much they resist.

edit: Using MORE force than is necessary is getting into the realm of exacting revenge.

[bkg]

A 100 pound woman with a gun is able to safely subdue a mugger.

No, I'm not saying kick the crap out of someone. Use the force that is necessary to detain them. The same way when police do it, the amount of force necessary depends on how much they resist.

edit: Using MORE force than is necessary is getting into the realm of exacting revenge.

Yet something else we disagree on.

And I'll ask you the same question i've asked you before - who decides where the goal post is on this one?

[Eupher]

A 100 pound woman with a gun is able to safely subdue a mugger.

No, I'm not saying kick the crap out of someone. Use the force that is necessary to detain them. The same way when police do it, the amount of force necessary depends on how much they resist.

edit: Using MORE force than is necessary is getting into the realm of exacting revenge.

Oh, really?  If I'm armed (as I am usually, since I have a CCW), does that mean I can shoot him when he starts running away? I ain't gonna chase the bastard down - I have bad knees.

 

[thundley4]

Oh, really?  If I'm armed (as I am usually, since I have a CCW), does that mean I can shoot him when he starts running away? I ain't gonna chase the bastard down - I have bad knees.

 

Could I sick my beagle on them? She's quite friendly , but would probably trip them up trying to hump their leg.

[Eupher]

Could I sick my beagle on them? She's quite friendly , but would probably trip them up trying to hump their leg.

She's gotta be a little mixed up, thundley. A female dog humping legs? 

[thundley4]

She's gotta be a little mixed up, thundley. A female dog humping legs? 

It's actually quite common for unspayed female dogs . She also has ten nipples instead of the normal 8.

[Eupher]

It's actually quite common for unspayed female dogs . She also has ten nipples instead of the normal 8.

Uh, okay. Something I learned today....

Both our dogs are female, but they're both spayed. Don't want no gennulmen callers hangin' about at all hours of the night!

Anyway, back to the subject.

As has been noted at least once (in the story), the perp had an option (Number #1, actually) of dealing with the cops; of going one-on-one with a VFW member in a fight (Number #2), or getting duct-taped to the flagpole (Number #3).

He chose Number #3. So the cops were always an option, at least for the perp. He opted not to go down that road.

Since perps of this nature are all inclined to take the soft, easy approach on anything, he evidently thought that public humilation was better than getting his ass kicked or being charged by the cops for theft and destruction of property.

[diesel driver]

A criminal chose not to get arrested. How utterly shocking.

Actually, a criminal chooses to be a criminal.  The arrest part is standard with the criminal part....

So what you guys are saying is that people SHOULD take the law into their own hands? That's great news, because I see people run red lights around here all the time and I'd love to run them off the road so that they stop being a danger to others.

If someone is breaking into my house, yes, I WILL take the law (as well as a weapon) into my own hands.  Texas allows anyone carrying a gun to use it to protect another person in a life-threatening situation....

IF you choose to run red light runner off the road, by all means go for it.  I'd just take down their license plate number and notify the police.  If the driver is running red lights, he's not obeying a lot of other traffic laws as well, and he will be caught....

Yes, this guy could have avoided the situation by not being a criminal. Manson could have avoided that whole mess by not being a psychotic murderer. But he didn't. So the law dealt with him.

This guy was given 3 choices for his punishment.  He chose the one he wanted....

I thought you libs were "pro-choice", or does that only apply to abortion....

[Deuce]

I thought you libs were "pro-choice", or does that only apply to abortion....

Being in favor of law enforcement dealing with lawbreakers makes me a liberal? You're backwards, it's dumbass liberal skateboarding children who are always saying "f- the pigs man! fascists!"

Abortion is murder. Try again.

[NHSparky]

Being in favor of law enforcement dealing with lawbreakers makes me a liberal? You're backwards, it's dumbass liberal skateboarding children who are always saying "f- the pigs man! fascists!"

Abortion is murder. Try again.

Dude, the courts have already ruled the police aren't there to prevent crime.  So who else is gonna do it?

[diesel driver]

Being in favor of law enforcement dealing with lawbreakers makes me a liberal? You're backwards, it's dumbass liberal skateboarding children who are always saying "f- the pigs man! fascists!"

Abortion is murder. Try again.

Nitpicking details about a non-issue to the point of menusha makes you a liberal....

Not understanding my statement and trying to make it out as pro-abortion makes you a liberal, or a dumbass....

To quote W. C. Fields:  "Go away, kid.  You bother me."

[Deuce]

I was refuting your implication that I was pro-abortion, not implying that you were.

[diesel driver]

I was refuting your implication that I was pro-abortion, not implying that you were.

I never implied you were pro-abortion, numbnuts....
I inferred if "pro-choice" to a liberal only applied to abortion, or could it mean any choice....
Thanks for making it clear to me....