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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on February 08, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
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FarLeftFist
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CALM THE **** DOWN, CATHOLICS!
Oh. You are calm. Sorry...
Looks like the only ones freaking out are the desperate GOP and it's faux outraged base. And while the media keeps TRYING to make this a story America keeps shrugging and saying "who the **** cares, we agree that contraception is an important part of health and well-being, are you people crazy?!".
I'm telling you, as a young(ish) person myself (31 yrs old) this is one of those 'last of a dying breed' issues that is a throwback to a time when women wore poodle skirts and dancing too close was considered risque. Back to a time when the faster the drumbeat the closer to Satan. Under 2 decades until petty non-sensical prude issues like this go away for good. No one cares about this non-issue anymore.
The whole mindframe behind this faux outrage is ridiculous. Lets see, they are anti-choice, yet also anti-contraception, so that means they are basically saying sex should ONLY be done when it is meant for reproductive purposes. Do you know how insanely silly that sounds to someone my age let alone the next generation 20 yrs from now?! Actually you probably do know how silly and ridiculous that sounds, along with the rest of America who can't seem to muster up a 'give-a-****' about this nonsense issue. But I can see how this issue really rallies up the inbred morons on the other side of the aisle who love nothing more than tying religion to the Constitution.
Conservatism is dead. And while it still has a pulse (like living in our SCOTUS), it is well on it's way to its grave. When I see polls and charts showing that 70+% of people age 18-35 believe same-sex marriage should be legalized you better believe that the final nail in the coffin of conservatism is under 2 decades away.
So go right ahead:
1-Media
2-Bill O'Reilly
3-Father 'whatever your name is on FOX nooze whining'
4-RepubliCon senators and congressmen
if you feel the need to cry, complain, throw a temper-tantrum, and squirm and squeal to make yourselves feel better than by all means please go right ahead, because this faux outrage will doom your party even further and expose how relentlessly out of touch with society's current state of affairs you really are. While all of you conservative congressmen/women sit in your homes in your gated communities FAR removed from the real world, feel comforted by the fact that your teenage and 20somethings sons and daughters are WAAAY more intelligent than you because they ARE using contraceptive and practicing safe-sex, something the dying breed just can't seem to wrap their tiny little brains around.
Pres. Obama, PLEASE don't flip-flop on this issue. This is a great achievement not only for women's rights but for society as a whole. Never feel bad giving power to the people. Now we're starting to look like a civilized society. Can I get an AMEN!
Come over here and say this shit to my face asshole. :bird:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002286357
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Yeah.
I saw this dribble over there a few minutes ago, but it's stupider than usual for a primitive, and so I'm glad someone else bothered to bring it here.
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The lies they must tell themselves.
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Yeah.
I saw this dribble over there a few minutes ago, but it's stupider than usual for a primitive, and so I'm glad someone else bothered to bring it here.
Really pissed me off. I don't know why.
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Really pissed me off. I don't know why.
Because it's bigoted and intolerant.
And decent and civilized people can't stomach Hate.
That's why it pissed you off.
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Actually you probably do know how silly and ridiculous that sounds, along with the rest of America who can't seem to muster up a 'give-a-****' about this nonsense issue.
Well it would be quite the different story if the MSM had the guts to talk about the morning after ABORTION drug that is also mandated for coverage in the ruling. But I guess you already knew that ... you POS. I wonder how many Catholics, let alone Americans in general, who are in favor of that?
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Ya know.....I get the Catholic outrage, I'm outraged as well.....
But what I don't get is that they gotta be FREE!!!!!!!! Last time I looked a month's supply of BC pills could be had at WalMart for a measly $4......WTF, over....??
doc
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The country was so much better off when real men could challenge each other to a duel. Either you put yourself behind your beliefs and went on to the field of battle or crawled way lie the coward you were.
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Because it's bigoted and intolerant.
And decent and civilized people can't stomach Hate.
That's why it pissed you off.
I go to Church and mind my own business. I don't push being Catholic on anybody. You do what you want.The DUmmie can shove its post where the sun don't shine.
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Hmmmm.
.....in your gated communities FAR removed from the real world.....
It sounds like a reference to the kpete primitive, to me.
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Now we're starting to look like a civilized society
Uh huh abortion is really civilized. :mental:
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What part of the separation of church and state don't they understand? Is it only supposed to flow in one direction? It doesn't matter if it's a tiny minority. 70% of the country consider themselves Christians and yet we go out of our way to protect athiests' rights. I'd really like to know why this isn't hypocritical. Either the 1st Amendment matters or it doesn't. If it can be abused by this administration it can be abused by another. Next time, it just might not go the way you want, DUmmies.
Cindie
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Uh huh abortion is really civilized. :mental:
Kill them when they're young, kill them if they get too old, and rule them with an iron fist while they breathe.
It's the "progressive" way of doing things.
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What part of the separation of church and state don't they understand? Is it only supposed to flow in one direction? It doesn't matter if it's a tiny minority. 70% of the country consider themselves Christians and yet we go out of our way to protect athiests' rights. I'd really like to know why this isn't hypocritical. Either the 1st Amendment matters or it doesn't. If it can be abused by this administration it can be abused by another. Next time, it just might not go the way you want, DUmmies.
Cindie
To them freedom of religion means that, yes you can practice religion, but you better be quiet about it, and you better conform to whatever moral standards the left has today.
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If you think that most of American's don't care about this issue, why bother with this huge screed DUmmie? I don't have a problem with birth control, but I do have a problem with the Government FORCING Catholic's to go against their faith. It doesn't matter how many polls they do that claim that a majority of catholic women use birth control, let's see a poll asking them if they feel the GOVERNMENT should force Catholic's to give it to everyone who works for them or be fined hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I'm watching Hannity right now and Jehmu Greene just told Andrea Tantaros that she wouldn't be in the chair (on the air) if not for birth control. This is liberalism in a nut shell. I can't stand Jehmu Greene.
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There's a big big big problem with the Ku Kluxer primitive's speculation here about the upcoming generations and their values.
It's a big deal among the primitives that the European-derived peoples are in decline, while the brown and black people are ascending. It makes sense, if one examines demographics.
But what makes the Ku Kluxer primitive think these young browns and blacks have the same values as the young European-derived, in regards to same-sex "marriage," homosexuality, abortion, and the like?
Uh, I don't think so; I don't think they have the same values as the withering-away European-derived peoples.
Moslems in favor of same-sex "marriage"? Are you kidding me?
The Ku Kluxer primitive needs to remember that not everybody thinks like he does.
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Ya know.....I get the Catholic outrage, I'm outraged as well.....
But what I don't get is that they gotta be FREE!!!!!!!! Last time I looked a month's supply of BC pills could be had at WalMart for a measly $4......WTF, over....??
doc
But Jehmu Greene said that women can't afford it. :whatever:
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Kill them when they're young, kill them if they get too old, and rule them with an iron fist while they breathe.
It's the "progressive" way of doing things.
They are going to "population control" themselves right out of government handouts.
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But Jehmu Greene said that women can't afford it. :whatever:
Well....like my grandmother used to say, if they can't afford $4, they can hold a penny between their knees, and when they reach menopause, they still have the penny.....
doc
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They are going to "population control" themselves right out of government handouts.
The whole thing reminds me of 'Logan's Run'
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They don't seem to realize that a government invasive and powerful enough to dictate what an organized religion must do against its will is also powerful and invasive enough to:
1. Declare head-scarves dangerous to proper heads of hair and therefore illegal
2. Require those declaring themselves agnostic tithe extra to the government
3. Declare abortion completely illegal
Ok, maybe a bit of a stretch but not too much.
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It's all just part of the Progressive Religious worldview...anything and everything with any connection to sex must be totally without cost or consequences. On any other topic, they can occasionally be rational, tolerant, and sane, but when it touches their sacred belief in the power and purity of all sexual actions, they have no ability to recognize reality.
They're greatest joy, and the greatest joy of their master, is to offend God. Therefore the need for free sex and the right to murder the result and demand that the government pay for all of it.
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While all of you conservative congressmen/women sit in your homes in your gated communities FAR removed from the real world, feel comforted by the fact that your teenage and 20somethings sons and daughters are WAAAY more intelligent than you because they ARE using contraceptive and practicing safe-sex, something the dying breed just can't seem to wrap their tiny little brains around.
There is no such thing as safe-sex, DUmmie, condoms fail. Condoms don't protect skin they don't cover. It slows some venereal diseases down, but not all.
Chemical contraceptives fail, just read the label on any anti-biotic.
The only reason twentysomethings behave like children is because our society allows it. They do things because it feels good and society has deemed that they face no consequences for what is and remains an absurd behavior. Your twentysomethings turn into married thirtysomethings that can't handle responsibility or anything else effectively. Tune in to 16 and pregnant, those are your people.
FarLeftFist, you are seriously screwed up in the head. What do those same 18-35 year olds think after being out in the real world for a few years? What do they think after having children of their own? What do you think they think after a few years of watching money sponged out of their paychecks to support layabouts that are drunk at 9 AM and women who won't stop having kids they can't support? Or better yet, having their money spent all out of proportion on a disease that only affects a small portion of the population, that took risks to catch it in the first place?
I remember an episode where I went to a beach when I was eighteen with a friend that had a shirt that read "Eradicate Virginity", I thought it in poor taste compared to my Big Johnson Tents T-shirt, but whatever. He had a man walk up to him when were on the beach that suggested pointedly that he put that shirt away, get married, have a daughter, wait for her to be a teenager, and then wear that T-shirt. It was the first time I ever saw that guy look downright sheepish. I've never seen that shirt again.
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As a Catholic all I have to say to the left on this issue is this :bird:
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How long would a thread title like this last at DU?
CALM THE **** DOWN, MUSLIMS!
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Well it would be quite the different story if the MSM had the guts to talk about the morning after ABORTION drug that is also mandated for coverage in the ruling. But I guess you already knew that ... you POS. I wonder how many Catholics, let alone Americans in general, who are in favor of that?
It would also force Catholic Instiutions to perform abortions, sterilization etc. and those services to be provided by insurance if you're employed by a Catholic organization. Birth Control is a red herring in this issue, it's not only about birth control, it's about so much more, it's about Catholic organizations being told to put their beliefs aside. Women's rights or whatever they want to call it doesn't trump Religious rights. When Axelrod goes around saying they're going to rethink this issue then you know the backlash is great. Catholics are 70 million strong, and while you'll get the usual few who have the audacity to think Church Doctrine needs to change to fit with their personal agenda, the majority of us won't sit still and watch our Church and our beliefs come under attack. You think the Tea Party was a force to be reckoned with? you ain't seen nothing yet, we'll be joined by Christians, Jews and even Muslims on this issue, they know that if the Government comes for us it'll only be a matter of time before the Government comes for them.
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I'm telling you, as a young(ish) person myself (31 yrs old) this is one of those 'last of a dying breed' issues that is a throwback to a time when women wore poodle skirts and dancing too close was considered risque. Back to a time when the faster the drumbeat the closer to Satan. Under 2 decades until petty non-sensical prude issues like this go away for good. No one cares about this non-issue anymore.
After 50,000,000 abortions, a 50% divorce rate, an overall illegitimacy rate of 36.8% (69.5% for blacks), the mainstreaming of all manner of sexual perversions, rampant government corruption and 7.2 million Americans either in prison, on probation, or on parole, don't you think maybe, just maybe a little prudery might be in order? The liberalization of the last forty years has been an unmitigated disaster for this society. There is no right or wrong anymore, it is all "nuance". No personal responsibility. No standards but those which you make up for yourself. Shame, which used to be a useful tool for controlling our baser instincts, is now a disease to be eradicated.
This is what conservatives are trying to put the brakes on, while you liberals sneer and mock us for "wanting to go back to a Leave It To Beaver world that never existed". Meanwhile, liberals are like a batshit crazy lunatic at the wheel, laughing maniacally with the accelerator to the floorboard and the car headed toward an abutment, looking for more of the same in order to create your perfect world.
You're ****ing insane, man. Insane
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I like how the DUmmies and the MSM are all touting the whole "Most Catholic's use birth control, so the government needs to force the church to change their stance" line. I couldn't give a rat's ass how many Catholic's use BC. The Government can get the hell out of my church. They have NO say in how my church believes. My ancestors fought for that right and won. People break all kinds of rules, that doesn't make it "right" or mean we should change the rules or do away with them. Everyone speeds, does that mean we should do away with speed limits? ::)
Last I checked, no one is forced into being Catholic or following the Catechism. Don't like the rules? Don't become Catholic. Don't work for a Catholic school or hospital. No one is forcing them to work there. I hate abortion and see it as murder. There isn't enough money or benefits in the world that would tempt me to accept a job at Planned Parenthood.
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You're ****ing insane, man. Insane
H5^
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Are DUmmies Catholophobic?
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Are DUmmies Catholophobic?
You'd better believe it.
An interesting demographic characteristic of Skins's island--I dunno if it holds true for other Hate-sites, though--is the number of lapsed Catholics among the primitives. There's a lot of lapsed Catholics all over, but on Skins's island, they're represented w-a-a-a-a-y out of proportion when compared with the general population.
And the primitives who appear to be the most loathesome, the most abominable, the most detested, by decent and civilized people here are.....you guessed it, lapsed Catholics. The list of winning top primitives every year, since 2005, has been heavily dominated by primitives who are lapsed Catholics.
There appears to be something especially repellent about them, that even those members of religions not Catholic, or those with no religion, pick up on. Even if religion is NOT the topic the primitive brings up, these members seem to be vomitously disgusted by them, more so than by other primitives.
Trust me; a lapsed Catholic is not an appealing sight, on matters both religious and secular.
Hitler was a lapsed Catholic, so you get the idea.
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I like how the DUmmies and the MSM are all touting the whole "Most Catholic's use birth control, so the government needs to force the church to change their stance" line. I couldn't give a rat's ass how many Catholic's use BC. The Government can get the hell out of my church. They have NO say in how my church believes. My ancestors fought for that right and won. People break all kinds of rules, that doesn't make it "right" or mean we should change the rules or do away with them. Everyone speeds, does that mean we should do away with speed limits? ::)
Last I checked, no one is forced into being Catholic or following the Catechism. Don't like the rules? Don't become Catholic. Don't work for a Catholic school or hospital. No one is forcing them to work there. I hate abortion and see it as murder. There isn't enough money or benefits in the world that would tempt me to accept a job at Planned Parenthood.
Where the hell is Ashley Judd screaming for the government to get the hell out of her vigina? Anyone remember the protests when Bush was president? All the Hollywood idiots wanted the government out of their sexual business, until now when they want the government all up in their business.
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I was reading the comments on the online version of our local newspaper regarding this last night at work and had to quit I was getting so angry!!!!
These people are so f'n stupid with their so-called statistics! It doesn't matter if Catholic women use birth control or not! I did and I figured it was between me and God, and I was fairly certain He wanted me to use some responsibility with regard to my ability to bring a child into this world and to provide for it.
Like someone said, further up the thread, there are all sorts of birth control and the only fool proof one is abstinence! None of them are perfect. I have a 32 yo because I left the diaphragm in the drawer ( :thatsright: ) and a 5yo grandson because my daughter had taken antibiotics earlier in the month and her pills didn't work. However, we were both in situations where the world didn't come to an end because we were pregnant and abortions were not even consideration. Regardless, it was still OUR responsibility to obtain our birth control of choice and it was not covered on our health insurance. Not in the late 1970's nor in the mid 2000's.
Birth control can be obtained at Planned Parenthood and the local Public Health Clinic for free or for minimal costs. I know BC pills have risen in astronomical costs over the years, which I'm sure we can thank lawyers and insurance companies for the rise in costs, as with all pharmaceuticals. But there ARE options out there for those who can't afford them.
I do think it is unfair that Viagra and Cialis are covered by insurance and BC pills or other types of Rx birth control. That however, is another issue entirely.
All that being said, NO employer should be forced to have to provide health insurance with BC coverage, if it is against their religious beliefs. NOR should the government be the enforcer!!!!
Birth control is against the Catholic faith. It has been for centuries and it probably will be for the forseeable future. Don't like it, then don't follow the edict, and make it between the woman and God, NOT the woman and the United States Government!!!
I don't know how many Catholic women use birth control. I don't really care. Probably most of them in their child bearing years use some sort. For that matter, "rhythm" is a form of birth control, and some women have been very successful with it. I wasn't.
Catholic hospitals won't even allow vasectomies to be performed in the hospital, and removing any part of a woman's reproductive organs while she is in her "child-bearing years" needs to be well-documented for why it is being done. I was facing the possibility of an ectopic pregnancy, and one of the nuns came in to talk with me and to pray with me, prior to surgery because it would be taking a life. She wanted to make sure that I not only understood what was happening to me physically, but to prepare me emotionally. Thankfully, it turned out to be exploding cysts, but still resulted in the removal of the ovary and tube.
The Catholic Church is NOT trying to stop any employers from providing insurance to women that includes BC. What they are trying to do, is to STOP any Catholic employer from being FORCED by the US government, to provide BC provisions in their employees health insurance.
If an employee objects to that, then the employee is perfectly within their rights to go find a job somewhere else!!!
The Church objects to the government forcing the Faithful to go against their long held religious belief.
It ain't rocket science! I do not understand why people can't comprehend the real issues here.
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The country was so much better off when real men could challenge each other to a duel. Either you put yourself behind your beliefs and went on to the field of battle or crawled way lie the coward you were.
Well, that would solve our liberal problem.
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I didn't know that this "mandate" is not even in the Obamacare bill. It was an edict from HHS. I don't understand how this can be forced. It is not a law that was voted on by Congress. I know there are many regulations that aren't; but this one ticks me off. I am not Catholic, BTW; but if we let this stand, then what will they try to force religions to do next?
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Dixierose, I had to amend my post after reading yours. We have a HUGE problem in this country. Congress has, over the years, abdicated so much power and discretion to the executive branch. These agencies and departments seemingly can just run amok. That's where the NHI goofy million dollars studies comes from.
This particular case is outrageous government overreach. The progs can never help themselves. I'm just glad we seem to be having a big national conversation about just what we'll allow our own government to do to us.
It's driving me crazy though, how everyone gets on TV and misquotes polls, etc. Did anybody see Juan Williams just make stuff up out of thin air?
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Saw this on AoS blog comments. It might just be the greatest, most concise description I've ever seen:
Progressives [say]: You must
1. Provide and pay for contraception.
2. Provide and pay for abortion.
3. Enact laws providing for same sex couples to get married.
4. Enact laws providing for same sex couples to adopt young children.
5. Enact laws taking end-of-life decisions away from families and giving them to the State.
6. Enact laws publicly funding instruction in the public schools in regards to homosexual lifestyles and practices.
7. Soon to enact laws restricting health benefits for those deemed "less-than".
...Social conservatives: Ah, no thanks.
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Another thing that makes me mad is the DUmmies saying our outrage is because we really want to do away with contraceptives. Does anyone really believe this beside the Primitives?
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It would also force Catholic Instiutions to perform abortions, sterilization etc. and those services to be provided by insurance if you're employed by a Catholic organization. Birth Control is a red herring in this issue, it's not only about birth control, it's about so much more, it's about Catholic organizations being told to put their beliefs aside. Women's rights or whatever they want to call it doesn't trump Religious rights. When Axelrod goes around saying they're going to rethink this issue then you know the backlash is great. Catholics are 70 million strong, and while you'll get the usual few who have the audacity to think Church Doctrine needs to change to fit with their personal agenda, the majority of us won't sit still and watch our Church and our beliefs come under attack. You think the Tea Party was a force to be reckoned with? you ain't seen nothing yet, we'll be joined by Christians, Jews and even Muslims on this issue, they know that if the Government comes for us it'll only be a matter of time before the Government comes for them.
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Damn Straight (H5)
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Now we're starting to look like a civilized society
Uh huh abortion is really civilized. :mental:
A civilized society protects its weakest members. Liberal society murders them.
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Come over here and say this shit to my face asshole. :bird:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002286357
You and me Bubba, you and me! These little pukes never say this shit out loud amongst God fearin' people 'cause they know we'd hand them their ass in their hands!
I dream of one of these slugs actually expressing their true feelings around me! I'd feed 'em to the pigs! Pigs don't leave much in the way of a corpse!
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I was reading the comments on the online version of our local newspaper regarding this last night at work and had to quit I was getting so angry!!!!
These people are so f'n stupid with their so-called statistics! It doesn't matter if Catholic women use birth control or not! I did and I figured it was between me and God, and I was fairly certain He wanted me to use some responsibility with regard to my ability to bring a child into this world and to provide for it.
Like someone said, further up the thread, there are all sorts of birth control and the only fool proof one is abstinence! None of them are perfect. I have a 32 yo because I left the diaphragm in the drawer ( :thatsright: ) and a 5yo grandson because my daughter had taken antibiotics earlier in the month and her pills didn't work. However, we were both in situations where the world didn't come to an end because we were pregnant and abortions were not even consideration. Regardless, it was still OUR responsibility to obtain our birth control of choice and it was not covered on our health insurance. Not in the late 1970's nor in the mid 2000's.
Birth control can be obtained at Planned Parenthood and the local Public Health Clinic for free or for minimal costs. I know BC pills have risen in astronomical costs over the years, which I'm sure we can thank lawyers and insurance companies for the rise in costs, as with all pharmaceuticals. But there ARE options out there for those who can't afford them.
I do think it is unfair that Viagra and Cialis are covered by insurance and BC pills or other types of Rx birth control. That however, is another issue entirely.
All that being said, NO employer should be forced to have to provide health insurance with BC coverage, if it is against their religious beliefs. NOR should the government be the enforcer!!!!
Birth control is against the Catholic faith. It has been for centuries and it probably will be for the forseeable future. Don't like it, then don't follow the edict, and make it between the woman and God, NOT the woman and the United States Government!!!
I don't know how many Catholic women use birth control. I don't really care. Probably most of them in their child bearing years use some sort. For that matter, "rhythm" is a form of birth control, and some women have been very successful with it. I wasn't.
Catholic hospitals won't even allow vasectomies to be performed in the hospital, and removing any part of a woman's reproductive organs while she is in her "child-bearing years" needs to be well-documented for why it is being done. I was facing the possibility of an ectopic pregnancy, and one of the nuns came in to talk with me and to pray with me, prior to surgery because it would be taking a life. She wanted to make sure that I not only understood what was happening to me physically, but to prepare me emotionally. Thankfully, it turned out to be exploding cysts, but still resulted in the removal of the ovary and tube.
The Catholic Church is NOT trying to stop any employers from providing insurance to women that includes BC. What they are trying to do, is to STOP any Catholic employer from being FORCED by the US government, to provide BC provisions in their employees health insurance.
If an employee objects to that, then the employee is perfectly within their rights to go find a job somewhere else!!!
The Church objects to the government forcing the Faithful to go against their long held religious belief.
It ain't rocket science! I do not understand why people can't comprehend the real issues here.
Yer my hero Deb!!!!
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It would also force Catholic Instiutions to perform abortions, sterilization etc. and those services to be provided by insurance if you're employed by a Catholic organization. Birth Control is a red herring in this issue, it's not only about birth control, it's about so much more, it's about Catholic organizations being told to put their beliefs aside. Women's rights or whatever they want to call it doesn't trump Religious rights. When Axelrod goes around saying they're going to rethink this issue then you know the backlash is great. Catholics are 70 million strong, and while you'll get the usual few who have the audacity to think Church Doctrine needs to change to fit with their personal agenda, the majority of us won't sit still and watch our Church and our beliefs come under attack. You think the Tea Party was a force to be reckoned with? you ain't seen nothing yet, we'll be joined by Christians, Jews and even Muslims on this issue, they know that if the Government comes for us it'll only be a matter of time before the Government comes for them.
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I've heard the Southern Baptists have already weighed in on this, definitely on the same side as the Catholic church. This rule tells every Christian business, business owner, and Christian individual that they MUST help pay to murder children. A huge number of Christian health care workers work in Catholic hospitals specifically because we won't be forced to provide or assist abortion in any way. Obama and Sebellius need to be reined in, and reined in hard, on this gross infringement of rights. Not only do they stomp all over the religious right, they are also stomping on our right to refuse to be a party to murder.
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I've heard the Southern Baptists have already weighed in on this, definitely on the same side as the Catholic church. This rule tells every Christian business, business owner, and Christian individual that they MUST help pay to murder children. A huge number of Christian health care workers work in Catholic hospitals specifically because we won't be forced to provide or assist abortion in any way. Obama and Sebellius need to be reined in, and reined in hard, on this gross infringement of rights. Not only do they stomp all over the religious right, they are also stomping on our right to refuse to be a party to murder.
I've posted the article in another thread. Essentially, two very influential Southern Baptists have "thrown down the gauntlet" to other Protestants, whether they're Evangelicals or not.
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When will they require boob jobs and facelifts be paid for?....women like Nancy P. will break the system.
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Are DUmmies Catholophobic?
Catholicism is one of their favourite enemies. Makes me proud to be a Catholic.
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Catholicism is one of their favourite enemies. Makes me proud to be a Catholic.
I am Pentecostal. I notice that whenever the secular statists attack religion they always attack Catholicism.
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I am Pentecostal. I notice that whenever the secular statists attack religion they always attack Catholicism.
Catholics are the biggest targets, with 70 million members.......they forget that combined with evangelicals and the remainder of the Christian denominations, we comprise nearly 70% of the US population......enough to ensure that a "progressive" never gets elected to national office in a generation.......they do this at their own peril......
doc
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I'm starting to wonder if The One is throwing himself under the bus, in a 'suicide via cop' sort of way -
If Obama loses the Catholic vote, Obama loses. Period. - The difference he might gain in moonbat vote isn't enough to cover the spread.
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I'm starting to wonder if The One is throwing himself under the bus, in a 'suicide via cop' sort of way -
If Obama loses the Catholic vote, Obama loses. Period. - The difference he might gain in moonbat vote isn't enough to cover the spread.
Well, Spirit Daily, a Catholic website that's similar to Matt Drudge's site, links both to articles that say that Obama backed down (MSNBC does this, too), and to a statement by Archbishop Dolan, to he effect of, "We're not believing this."
My thinking is that he'll lose a sizable porion of the Catholic vote--and a lot of Evangelicals, Jews, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, etc., will follow. Enough to offset moonbats? More than enough.
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Catholics are the biggest targets, with 70 million members.......they forget that combined with evangelicals and the remainder of the Christian denominations, we comprise nearly 70% of the US population......enough to ensure that a "progressive" never gets elected to national office in a generation.......they do this at their own peril......
doc
Lord I hope so DOC! I've about had it with these pukes!!!
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If Obama loses the Catholic vote, Obama loses.
It'll never happen. As an example, the Massholes are all Catholics.
It's illogical, but no matter how much the democrat party shits on Catholics and Jews, both groups will remain solid democrat.
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It'll never happen. As an example, the Massholes are all Catholics.
Between the Episcopal church and Unatarians, Obama has plenty of "religious" persons that will pull the lever for him.
I don't automatically equate Christian with Republican or conservative values. There are too many ignorant people out there to make that assumption.
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It'll never happen. As an example, the Massholes are all Catholics.
It's illogical, but no matter how much the democrat party shits on Catholics and Jews, both groups will remain solid democrat.
I'm a lifelong Catholic. I work in a Catholic school. Never underestimate the sheer stupidity of the starry-eyed "social justice" liberal Catholic.
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0bama played a shell game today big time, now the church itself won't be paying for it, but the insurance companies that they are paying will be forced to provide it for free. What bugs me is some conservatives fell for it. :banghead:
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0bama played a shell game today big time, now the church itself won't be paying for it, but the insurance companies that they are paying will be forced to provide it for free. What bugs me is some conservatives fell for it. :banghead:
Yes they will, they will be paying for the policies and the insurance companies will just adjust the premium accordingly.
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Yes they will, they will be paying for the policies and the insurance companies will just adjust the premium accordingly.
Exactly. Steel on target, and H5.
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Are DUmmies Catholophobic?
If not, they are certainly "Godophobic".
They abhor ANY mainstream religion, except those that have multiple deities, and those they make up themselves.
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If not, they are certainly "Godophobic".
They abhor ANY mainstream religion, except those that have multiple deities, and those they make up themselves.
They are "abortophilic."
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Well, Spirit Daily, a Catholic website that's similar to Matt Drudge's site, links both to articles that say that Obama backed down (MSNBC does this, too), and to a statement by Archbishop Dolan, to he effect of, "We're not believing this."
My thinking is that he'll lose a sizable portion of the Catholic vote--and a lot of Evangelicals, Jews, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, etc., will follow. Enough to offset moonbats? More than enough.
Well....as touched upon up-thread, the problem is that unlike evangelicals and other Protestant denominations (which are reliably conservative), Catholics are not.......they support Democrats in large numbers......Obama won the Catholic vote in 2008 by a fairly large margin. I suspect that this is for a variety of reasons:
Northeasterners of Italian, Polish, Latino, and castillian descent are largely blue-collar, with a very high union affiliation. Those of the same extraction in any large urban area share the same preference.
Southwestern Latinos from Mexico and Central and South America view the Democrats the champions of immigration, and handouts.
Most all of these groups are Catholic.......
Even the Catholic clergy leans heavily toward liberalism.........only an assumption on my part, but based on discussions it appears that they buy into the idea that wealth redistribution by the government to the poor is a Catholic virtue......
Just the way it looks to me......and this certainly wouldn't be the first time that the Catholic Church threw its principles under the bus for political expediency......
doc
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Well....as touched upon up-thread, the problem is that unlike evangelicals and other Protestant denominations (which are reliably conservative), Catholics are not.......they support Democrats in large numbers......Obama won the Catholic vote in 2008 by a fairly large margin. I suspect that this is for a variety of reasons:
Northeasterners of Italian, Polish, Latino, and castillian descent are largely blue-collar, with a very high union affiliation. Those of the same extraction in any large urban area share the same preference.
Southwestern Latinos from Mexico and Central and South America view the Democrats the champions of immigration, and handouts.
Most all of these groups are Catholic.......
Even the Catholic clergy leans heavily toward liberalism.........only an assumption on my part, but based on discussions it appears that they buy into the idea that wealth redistribution by the government to the poor is a Catholic virtue......
Just the way it looks to me......and this certainly wouldn't be the first time that the Catholic Church threw its principles under the bus for political expediency......
doc
It's true what you say. I'd say the most conservative are the ones who go to Mass regularly as opposed to going on days like Easter etc. It's a shame actually. The overwhelming majority of friends and relatives on my Facebook are Catholic, I'm not a big poster on Facebook, I actually don't like it, but I posted about this issue, do you know that I only got 1 like on it?, 1, out of all those Catholics. Most do vote Republican though, but it really bothered me that they ignored this, maybe they're burnt out on politics? who knows. I told my Husband I'm ready to shut the account down, it bothered me that much.
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Well....as touched upon up-thread, the problem is that unlike evangelicals and other Protestant denominations (which are reliably conservative), Catholics are not.......they support Democrats in large numbers......Obama won the Catholic vote in 2008 by a fairly large margin. I suspect that this is for a variety of reasons:
Northeasterners of Italian, Polish, Latino, and castillian descent are largely blue-collar, with a very high union affiliation. Those of the same extraction in any large urban area share the same preference.
Southwestern Latinos from Mexico and Central and South America view the Democrats the champions of immigration, and handouts.
Most all of these groups are Catholic.......
Even the Catholic clergy leans heavily toward liberalism.........only an assumption on my part, but based on discussions it appears that they buy into the idea that wealth redistribution by the government to the poor is a Catholic virtue......
Just the way it looks to me......and this certainly wouldn't be the first time that the Catholic Church threw its principles under the bus for political expediency......
doc
Doc, reread my post. Especially this part:
and a lot of Evangelicals, Jews, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, etc., will follow. Enough to offset moonbats? More than enough.
Especially the Jews. It's rumored that Jewish donations to both the DNC and the Obamessiah's campaign are way behind where they were at this point last cycle. Lots of Orthodox and Conservative Jews are pissed at Obama's treatment of Israel and Iran. Also, lots of moderates, who are also religious, have seen this and can't help but think, "Boy, did I **** up when I voted for this guy!"
Also, I tend to think that the Catholic Church has drawn the "line in the sand." They would lose millions of adherants, and dollars, if they went back on this now. My wife, who is Lutheran, and I were discussing the effects of this on Archbishop Dolan's future prospects within the Church. (He was named to be elevated to Cardinal a couple of months ago.) Both of us wondered, "Would he be a future Pope?" The Catholic Church wouldn't oprdinarily align themselves with the world's last superpower (though we're dropping out of that if Obama gets reelected, and China will take our place), but this stand against such a blatantly anti-religious President will get him a lot of supporters within the Vatican.
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Doc, reread my post. Especially this part:
Yeah, I read it, but you can't count on the Methodists (or the DoC Christians)........they have taken a hard left turn nationally....
Especially the Jews. It's rumored that Jewish donations to both the DNC and the Obamessiah's campaign are way behind where they were at this point last cycle. Lots of Orthodox and Conservative Jews are pissed at Obama's treatment of Israel and Iran. Also, lots of moderates, who are also religious, have seen this and can't help but think, "Boy, did I **** up when I voted for this guy!"
And it cost Anthony Weiner his seat in the most reliably Demcrat district in NY.....I hope it holds through November, but I'm not counting on it.......
Also, I tend to think that the Catholic Church has drawn the "line in the sand." They would lose millions of adherants, and dollars, if they went back on this now. My wife, who is Lutheran, and I were discussing the effects of this on Archbishop Dolan's future prospects within the Church. (He was named to be elevated to Cardinal a couple of months ago.) Both of us wondered, "Would he be a future Pope?" The Catholic Church wouldn't oprdinarily align themselves with the world's last superpower (though we're dropping out of that if Obama gets reelected, and China will take our place), but this stand against such a blatantly anti-religious President will get him a lot of supporters within the Vatican.
Unfortunately the Holy See doesn't vote in US elections, and they do try to remain above local politics. That said, I'm a real fan of the current Pope, he's a strong leader with a low profile, and a vast amount of common sense.....that combination won't get him cannonized, but I doubt that it matters to him......they leave that to the US Bishops, and from what I've seen, they can't agree on hardly anything......they are all over the map on this and other issues as well (such as illegal immigration)......never could figure that one out.......
doc
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Yeah, I read it, but you can't count on the Methodists (or the DoC Christians)........they have taken a hard left turn nationally....
And it cost Anthony Weiner his seat in the most reliably Demcrat district in NY.....I hope it holds through November, but I'm not counting on it.......
Unfortunately the Holy See doesn't vote in US elections, and they do try to remain above local politics......they leave that to the US Bishops, and from what I've seen, they can't agree on hardly anything......they are all over the map on this and other issues as well (such as illegal immigration)......never could figure that one out.......
doc
I think the problems with the Catholic Church Vs. political discourse is that quite a bit of the liberal agenda is in agreement with Catholic policy ON PAPER.. - Yet the church seems to remain naive to the methodologies liberals use to contort positions that seem good on the surface into what they truly want..
Immigration -
Helping those unlucky enough to be born in a tragic nation to become Americans so they may have a better life for themselves & their families seems to be a no brainier, yet the church doesn't see the subtext that liberals use to achieve their version of that reality. Its less that they are interested in 'helping the poor' and more they are interested in creating a permanent & expanding underclass - a necessary first step to revolution.
If they wanted to truly help citizens to emigrate to the United States, they would work on properly acclimating candidates to mainstream American culture, instead of letting them live separate, and often harder lives in "whatever"towns across the United States.
Charity -
Giving charitably is a universal good - being forced via diktat to 'give' is not.
etc etc etc..
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I think the problems with the Catholic Church Vs. political discourse is that quite a bit of the liberal agenda is in agreement with Catholic policy ON PAPER.. - Yet the church seems to remain naive to the methodologies liberals use to contort positions that seem good on the surface into what they truly want..
Immigration -
Helping those unlucky enough to be born in a tragic nation to become Americans so they may have a better life for themselves & their families seems to be a no brainier, yet the church doesn't see the subtext that liberals use to achieve their version of that reality. Its less that they are interested in 'helping the poor' and more they are interested in creating a permanent & expanding underclass - a necessary first step to revolution.
If they wanted to truly help citizens to emigrate to the United States, they would work on properly acclimating candidates to mainstream American culture, instead of letting them live separate, and often harder lives in "whatever"towns across the United States.
Charity -
Giving charitably is a universal good - being forced via diktat to 'give' is not.
etc etc etc..
ITA with this post too! the very people the Church hierarchy align with are the people who destroy them on a daily basis (see DU) or whose intent is to destroy the Church eventually.
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I can't speak for all Roman Catholics, but as I am one, I suppose I can give my impressions here.
As we all know, even though it's against their own best interests, those of Judaic derivation in America tend to vote Democrat, for the rabid anti-Semite party and its candidates.
A great deal of this is due to the secularization, the "mainstreaming," of that group--or rather, its attempts to assimilate into greater American society. They want to be considered Americans, not Jews; never mind that most of us always considered them 100% Americans anyway.
They want to be part of the Establishment, and the Establishment is Democrat and liberal.
Well, there one has it for the Jews.
As we all know, even though it's against their own best interests, Roman Catholics in America tend to vote Democrat, for the rabid anti-God party and its candidates.
I suppose to some degree what I've said about the Jews also applies to the Catholics in the northeastern states and urban areas outside of that.
They want to be with the "in" party, the "in" people, which in their case are corrupt Democrats.
(This does not hold true outside the northeastern states and large urban areas, where Catholics never felt an inferiority complex--and of course outside the northeastern states and big cities, we Catholics tend to be very red.)
All my life, I've been seeing a shift from the Democrats to the Republicans with every election, but damn it, it shifts at the pace of a stalled glacier, like maybe .01% each election. It's always been shifting in my own lifetime, but one needs a damned microscope to see it.
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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 39% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the government should require a church or religious organization to provide contraceptives for women even if it violates their deeply held beliefs. Fifty percent (50%) disagree and oppose such a requirement that runs contrary to strong beliefs, while 10% more are undecided. [...]
Sixty-five percent (65%) of Catholic voters oppose this requirement, as do 62% of Evangelical Christians, and 50% of other Protestants. Most non-Christians (56%) support the Obama Administration ruling.