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Requiring a "knockout" is setting the bar impossibly high. I assume the whole point of setting this as the
standard is to doom any possibility that mccain could be considered to have "won" the debate.
but having watched the first presidential debate and the VP debate, I seriously wonder if The BarackStar!
could commit murder on stage during the debate and still "win" the damn thing.
McCain Needs Knockout in Second Debate, Political Analysts Say
John McCain has to press his "home field" advantage in a town hall meeting while Barack Obama will try to maintain the momentum he's gained from the recent financial crisis when they engage in Round 2 of the presidential debates Tuesday night, political analysts say.
The candidates will meet at Belmont University in Nashville in the second of three debates at 9 p.m. ET. The debate, to be moderated by NBC's Tom Brokaw and broadcast on all major network and cable news channels, will feature questions from voters in the audience and on the Internet.
The town hall setting is expected to play to McCain's strengths. In fact, he lobbied Obama over the summer to debate him in a series of town hall meetings, but the Democratic candidate declined. Now McCain is getting his shot, and it couldn't come at a better time.
"McCain has to make some progress," said Charles Jones, professor emeritus at the University of Wisconsin and a senior fellow at Brookings Institution. "Everything is on him, really, because Obama is in the lead. Not only in the lead, but a comfortable lead if you can believe the trend in the polls."
A FOX News/Rasmussen Reports Poll released this week has Obama leading McCain in the battleground states of Florida, Colorado, Missouri and Virginia by as much as 7 percentage points. McCain holds a 1-point lead in Ohio, according to the poll.
More (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/experts-mccain-needs-knockout-second-debate/)
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Obama could be reduced to a crying blob of jelly without McCain ever raising his voice, and the best press McCain would get out of it would the press calling it a tie 'despite a couple of rough patches for each of them.'
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Obama could be reduced to a crying blob of jelly without McCain ever raising his voice, and the best press McCain would get out of it would the press calling it a tie 'despite a couple of rough patches for each of them.'
We are living in Bizarro World.
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We are living in Bizarro World.
No kidding
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I think McCain does need a knock-out, even a TKO.
He needs to hammer Obama on Fannie Mae, Ayers and Wright and not settle for the inevitable passing dismissal from Obama. He needs to make Obama: A) crack and lose his temper or B) be shown to be so evasive/lying as to be transparent.
He needs to do this precisely because The Comiteriat is writing the news. It has to be so obvious that Matthews, Olbermann and the rest can't dismiss it either. Sure, they'll call it racism etc but if it is obvious enough the indies will see past all that.
McCain needs to hit and hit hard. Obama's camp is refusing to answer direct questions, now it's time to hit Obama himself. He will evade, he will prevaricate, he will outright lie; but he cannot under any circumstances be allowed to get away with it on national TV because the viewers are not going to follow-up on the internet tomorrow.
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I think McCain does need a knock-out, even a TKO.
He needs to hammer Obama on Fannie Mae, Ayers and Wright and not settle for the inevitable passing dismissal from Obama. He needs to make Obama: A) crack and lose his temper or B) be shown to be so evasive/lying as to be transparent.
He needs to do this precisely because The Comiteriat is writing the news. It has to be so obvious that Matthews, Olbermann and the rest can't dismiss it either. Sure, they'll call it racism etc but if it is obvious enough the indies will see past all that.
McCain needs to hit and hit hard. Obama's camp is refusing to answer direct questions, now it's time to hit Obama himself. He will evade, he will prevaricate, he will outright lie; but he cannot under any circumstances be allowed to get away with it on national TV because the viewers are not going to follow-up on the internet tomorrow.
agreed - the thing working against McCain is the format of this debate - town-hall style is his wheelhouse, however it isnt a format that lends itself easily to confrontation. McCain is going to have to make it confrontational anyway. The danger is that the manuever will earn him votes, or lose it altogether. there will be no 'ties' in the eyes of the voters.
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Starting in 3... 2... 1...
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lets hope The Sarahcuda infected McCain with some of her venom..
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Whenever I see Tom Brokaw I can only think of his Simpsons TV show character. :-)
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Great Depression, blah blah blah, failed economic policies of George Bush (drink up, suckers), blah blah blah.
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Barrack brought up AIG spending spree...said those execs should be fired.
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$700 billion is only step one!?! Seriously, **** you, Barry. You assholes sold it as the end-all be-all of bailouts.
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$700 billion is only step one!?! Seriously, **** you, Barry. You assholes sold it as the end-all be-all of bailouts.
That's what Libs always say.
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take Obama to town McCain - especially on the "Step one" thing - Do it!
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That's what Libs always say.
I can't believe that SOB already pissed me off. Damn.
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Hey, new quote feature!
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Mccain chose Warren Buffet........ :thatsright:
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Warren Buffet as Treasury Secretary? We have to stop helping people at the top?
This guy has no clue what comes out of his own mouth.
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I'm sorry, john. the federal treasury buying houses isn't going to fix anything.
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Hey, new quote feature!
Whatcha talkin bout willis
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Obama is ignoring the question -- Will the media call him on it ?? Naaa.
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:whatever: McCain: "Because of the excess in Washington...we should give them more, and it's a rescue, not a bailout" :whatever: :loser:
"Oh, and it's not enough! We have to buy these bad loans" ... :bird:
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Whatcha talkin bout willis
It only quotes the last post. No more mile-long boxes.
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he's tying fannie and freddie to the dems and obama . . .
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Get em John! Name names!
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buying up bad loans again. :thatsright:
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he's tying fannie and freddie to the dems and obama . . .
Yes! :cheersmate:
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:yawn: Yer killin me John :yawn:
Guess I'm just watching for Obama to screw up and say something stupid. :whatever:
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Obama's is spreading the "I warned about F&F First!!!!11!!1" Lie. I hope McCain nails him
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First shot across the bow by McCain and you can tell Nobama is shaken up.
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we're going to have to "coordinate" our economy with other countries', barack?
please tell me that he didn't just say that.
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HE JUST SAID HE"S CONFIDENT ABOUT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY BUT HE ALSO SAYS THE FUNDAMENTALS ARE BAD?!?!?!?!
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Obama's confident about the economy? He's running the classic Dem campaign of "fear the Republicans". Yawn.
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Slam his ass about the foriegn needs on OUR finances
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Did McCain just suggest that the Fed buys loans , then renegotiates them at the current value of the property.... WTF
Is he reading Obama's script ?
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Obama's is spreading the "I warned about F&F First!!!!11!!1" Lie. I hope McCain nails him
mccain's response was lame, or at least non-lethal. he said that obama's name wasn't on a letter.
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That was an awesome question ! I figured something like that would be stricken
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I DON'T trust the goverment with my money, lady!! JEEEEEEEEEEZ! what a retarded question.
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Ouch. Good question. :-)
O: "I feel your pain." :whatever:
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This is at least a four or five beer debate. :p (two more than I need on a weeknight) :p
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I DON'T trust the goverment with my money, lady!! JEEEEEEEEEEZ! what a retarded question.
It can be good if McCain hits Obama and the Democrat congress over the head with it.
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It can be good if McCain hits Obama and the Democrat congress over the head with it.
the state doesn't control the assets of it's citizens in a free market democracy. that was my only point.
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Ten trillion debt? Try eleven... you just voted to increase it by 10% overnight.
Obama's answer, part 2: spend money. And we all know where the Democrats make cuts first.
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does obama realize that he has no constitutional authority to "go through the federal budget line by line"?
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Did Brobama just mention Iran and Venezuela in the same breath? The Sandanistas at DU aren't going to like that.
And gas hasn't been $3.80 here for quite a while.
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:yawn:
Is it just me or are they both putting putting everyone to sleep..no passion..same old talking points..no witty retorts, no passion in their answers, and Brokaw whining about the one minute rule they both signed up for. :yawn:
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McCain is a *******ed idiot and determined to lose this election.
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a federal spending freeze except for defense spending is a pretty damn good place to start . . .
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I'm having a hard time figuring out which one is the liberal :banghead:
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:yawn:
Is it just me or are they both putting putting everyone to sleep..no passion..same old talking points..no witty retorts, no passion in their answers, and Brokaw whining about the one minute rule they both signed up for. :yawn:
Town Hall is mostly non-confrontational -- Sadly McCain needs to make it so.
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:yawn:
Is it just me or are they both putting putting everyone to sleep..no passion..same old talking points..no witty retorts, no passion in their answers, and Brokaw whining about the one minute rule they both signed up for. :yawn:
obama is playing not to lose. mccain is a bit all over the place tonight.
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I'm having a hard time figuring out which one is the liberal :banghead:
Don't knock yourself out...they both are.
Hopefully we'll have a conservative representative in 2010...because this election is Obama's.
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yeah, but at least people are getting to see McCain. Every time Obama makes a new speech, some camera crew is there on the scene. The only media attention the McCain campaign is getting is Tina Fey's silly ass on SNL. It doesn't help.
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I'm having a hard time figuring out which one is the liberal :banghead:
McCain is being McCain - Obama is playing it safe by trying to say as little as possible.
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Obama just said.......a lot of you remember 9/11....
:thatsright:
no they've all forgotten....dumb ass ....he's talking to people in TN!!!! not CA. :thatsright: :thatsright: :thatsright:
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obama just used the "use 'em of lose 'em" line with regard to drilling, which is the exact opposite of allowing/expanding offshore drilling.
Obama's Child Korps . . . here we go. I wonder if we get uniforms.
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when obama says "revenue side", he is talking about raising taxes. EVERYONE'S taxes. his tax plan won't fund his agenda, especially now. he will have to go after the middle class when it comes to goverment revenue
and taxes are NOT about "fairness"; they are about funding the activities of government.
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"feeling"
"sharing"
I think I'm going to puke. And I think a spending freeze is a fine idea. I don't trust BO with a butter knife, let alone a scalpel.
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We better see some heat soon! Or it's over. :bawl:
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good hit on Obama's tax plans McCain - now beat him with it!
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Holy Crap! Brokaw just shut down Obama! -- (miskie looks up for winged porcine critters)
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obama's taxes again. this is a huge lie. this 95% and $250K thing is flatly and completely impossible. it just is.
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Lets see if McCain hits Obama with his nonsensical 95% figure (since some 47% actually pay no taxes)
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McCain is looking like an idiot and has lost this debate........................We're ****ED
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the fugger isn't answering Brokejaw's question.
idiot.
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Holy Crap! Brokaw just shut down Obama! -- (miskie looks up for winged porcine critters)
yeah, but he's just answering the question that he wants . . .
it makes my blood run cold when he talks about "fairness" and "taxes" in the same sentence. who decides what is "fair"?
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obama is clobber him on the "commission" idea for medicare . . . he'll call it "the oldest game in washington" to dodge responsibility . . .
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McCain is looking like an idiot and has lost this debate........................We're ****ED
Especially with his quote of "I'm sometimes unpopular, especially with my own party" Got this one right.
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McCain is right on nuclear power. :popcorn:
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ruh, roh. I think the camera just caught obama smirking. I wonder if the MSM will point that out. :whatever:
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McCain is right on nuclear power. :popcorn:
he buried the right answer 60 seconds into an unintelligible ramble, though.
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**** it.............welcome to President Obama...............****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Especially with his quote of "I'm sometimes unpopular, especially with my own party" Got this one right.
indeed. I've never really understood how "I piss off my own party" would inspire an undecided voter.
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government doesn't fund innovation, it stifles it.
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Obama has been smirking on a regular basis.
There's a woman with dark hair, blue dress in the last row....that everytime Obama speaks....she smirks.
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Obama talks better, McCain is a damn idjit
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government doesn't fund innovation, it stifles it.
The inventor of the Internet and his wife flew into town tonight from California.
On seperate planes.
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and mccain is subconsciously reinforcing the "forgetful old man" meme by constantly scribbling on that pad.
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McCain needs to stop being the nice guy and become much much angrier if he is going to win this.
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I'm having a hard time figuring out which one is the liberal :banghead:
They both are.
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Obama talks better, McCain is a damn idjit
he has proven that he is very good at talking about the issues, but he has no track record on actually doing anything.
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You KNOW that DU is going to refer to McCain referring to Obama as "That One" as coded racist language....
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a huge pool won't drop the costs of health care if government is paying the premiums in the first place.
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ruh, roh. I think the camera just caught obama smirking. I wonder if the MSM will point that out. :whatever:
If I was kicking McCain's ass this badly, I'd be smirking, too.
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mccain may be scoring points with the "senator obama will fine you" if you don't have health insurance.
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a huge pool won't drop the costs of health care if government is paying the premiums in the first place.
Or keeping you from buying them.
The current healthcare mess is living proof of Reagan's adage of government being the problem and no the solution. My COBRA premiums were four times what my private premiums were when I had health insurance. And I didn't get a tax break like my employer did.
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McCain did better on healthcare better than I expected.
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health care is a right. free speech, free press, the right to peaceably assemble, and the right to not get sick.
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HMO's killed Barry's typical white person grandmother. :whatever:
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You KNOW that DU is going to refer to McCain referring to Obama as "That One" as coded racist language....
General Discussion: Presidential
"...that one"?? ghosts of ross perot soon to visit??
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:51 PM by islandmkl
General Discussion: Presidential
McCain refers to Obama as "that one"
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:50 PM by krkaufman
General Discussion: Presidential
Disrespectful motherf**ker! "Know who voted for it, my friends? THAT ONE!" (pointing)
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:50 PM by Amerigo Vespucci
General Discussion: Presidential
"Who voted for it? THAT ONE." Referring to Obama.
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:49 PM by donco6
General Discussion: Presidential
Mother ****er...******* it. STFU!! Brokaw. You piece of shit Repuke shill.
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:49 PM by NoodleyAppendage
General Discussion: Presidential
OMG. He pointed to Obama and called him "That one."
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:49 PM by Nasprin
General Discussion: Presidential
That one? WOW!
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:49 PM by leftist.
General Discussion: Presidential
McCain referred to Obama as "THAT ONE"??
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:49 PM by jhuth
General Discussion
Who voted for it? "That one."
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:49 PM by dubeskin
:-)
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after obama puts oil companies out of business, he will put insurance companies out of business. then our energy and health care industries will look like our mortgage industry right now.
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Very telling,McCain thinks insurance is a responsibility; Obama thinks it's a right. Yeah, it's the right for us to all pay higher taxes for those w/o insurance and dilute our own benefits.
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Very telling,McCain thinks insurance is a responsibility; Obama thinks it's a right. Yeah, it's the right for us to all pay higher taxes for those w/o insurance and dilute our own.
hey, it's only "fair". (so sayeth obama)
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mccain did well on the foreign policy question, and how america is a force for good in the world.
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General Discussion: Presidential
"...that one"?? ghosts of ross perot soon to visit??
Discussion started Tue Oct-07-08 09:51 PM by islandmkl
Perot really burned 'em up with that "you people" remark.
I saw footage of the millionaire midget on TV today. He was right, but he wasn't right for the White House.
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...aaaand Brobama shows his true colors.
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obama and the "diminished international respect" lie; GB, france, and germany have all elected pro-western presidents or PMs in the past few years.
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obama is on very thin ice with "moral interests" taking precedence over national security interests . . . very thin ice indeed.
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God damn, this guy is so full of shit. Votes for an overnight trillion-dollar bailout but criticizes the same spending over an eight-year period. And he's only partially right about Darfur. The African countries don't care about their neighbors. That's why we can't get anything done over there.
Billy Clinton would rather spend his time at a DNC fundraiser than solving Rwanda's problems.
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mccain's answer is at least coherent on national security.
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Obama is full of Bravado - he did well on the economic part, but his ego is causing him to lose this segment - with very little help from McCain.
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the way he pronounces pakistan just annoys the shit out of me.
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"End the war in Iraq so we can funnel those same troops into Afghanistan and Pakistan."
How is that a withdrawal? :whatever:
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Obama seems to have forgotten the VietNam part of the question - I suspect its because he doesnt know anything about it.
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Obama is full of Bravado - he did well on the economic part, but his ego is causing him to lose this segment - with very little help from McCain.
"Kill Bin Laden and crush Al-Quaeda."
He should send his wife over there. She's scarier than he is.
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"End the war in Iraq so we can funnel those same troops into Afghanistan and Pakistan."
How is that a withdrawal? :whatever:
does obama know that the taliban seem to have split with al quada, and are suing for a separate peace in afghanistan?
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I dunno, I think McCain has gotten better through the debate....still needs to hammer down on The Chosen One though :hammer:
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obama is on very thin ice with "moral interests" taking precedence over national security interests . . . very thin ice indeed.
He is the chosen one, who dares question his morals.
Paladin0
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"Kill Bin Laden and crush Al-Quaeda."
He should send his wife over there. She's scarier than he is.
"send michelle" is much closer to an actual plan than anything else that he has ever said on the subject.
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Does Obama understand the rules of a town hall debate at all?? :mental:
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I dunno, I think McCain has gotten better through the debate....still needs to hammer down on The Chosen One though :hammer:
I think so as well, but I'm not sure it's enough.
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does obama know that the taliban seem to have split with al quada, and are suing for a separate peace in afghanistan?
He's not going to make any friends at the DUmp tonight. Comparing Venezuela to Iran, and now he wants to invade Pakeestan.
btw, "Paki" makes for a great ethnic slur in the UK.
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Green Behind the ears :-)
WVC
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obama is getting all hung up on mccain's "speak softly" comment, which was awkward to begin with. he should have left this one alone. it opens a line of argument that he won't win
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I think so as well, but I'm not sure it's enough.
He's made some good shots, but he's using a muzzle loader when he should be using rail guns :thatsright:
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Barry calls Musharraf a dictator. I don't know if that will go over well.
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obama is getting all hung up on mccain's "speak softly" comment, which was awkward to begin with. he should have left this one alone. it opens a line of argument that he won't win
Indeed - Obama's Ego got him someplace he really didnt want to go.
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I think even Tom is getting tired of The Chosen One 2nite :fuelfire:
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there ya go tom, parrot the obama campaign position on afghanistan.
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"Briefly if you can"
Now that's funny
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All this talk of "making" foreign nations "do" something.
This guy has no clue what's going on.
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there ya go tom, parrot the obama campaign position on afghanistan.
Just when i was thinking that Ole' Tom was being fairly impartial :thatsright:
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Indeed - Obama's Ego got him someplace he really didnt want to go.
mccain had obama on the ropes on this question until brokaw rolled that grenade under the tent about what the british ambassador may or may not have said about afghanistan.
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McCain isn't doing that bad, but I just wonder if it will be enough.
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All this talk of "making" foreign nations "do" something.
This guy has no clue what's going on.
they'll do it 'cause they like him more than george boooosh. :whatever:
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I have to admit, McCain is nailing him on the foreign policy and military strategy issues.
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... a question from the Internet. :-)
Russia is run by ex-KGB and the Mafia.
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nice segue into the reemerging russian threat by mccain
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BAH@!! McCain just said there won't be another cold war...CUZ THE FIRST ONE NEVER ENDED!!! :thatsright:
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mccain had obama on the ropes on this question until brokaw rolled that grenade under the tent about what the british ambassador may or may not have said about afghanistan.
indeed. Was quite a disappointing turn
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"Provide financial assistance to help rebuild their economies"??? WTF??
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did we just have another gerald ford moment? did obama just say that poland was a former soviet client state?
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Foreign plicy. Obama is clearly off his game here. Lots of uhh's and stutters and stalling tactics.
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Obama is getting lost on his answer..
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Watch Obama squirm trying to keep from saying Russia is wrong...
Darn. That was over quickly. Obama still didn't answer.
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Tom: This question only requires a yes or a no..
blah blah blah blah blah
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Stupid Petro-dollars comment. Russia sells almost nothing to the USA Oilwise AFAIK.
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how much oil do we buy from russia? how is energy independence in the US going to reduce the amount of money that russia has to create mischief?
do we buy more oil from russia than I realize?
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Stupid Petro-dollars comment. Russia sells almost nothing to the USA Oilwise AFAIK.
thank you :wink:
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The Jooooooos question.... this should be interesting.
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Can't wait for Obama's answer to that one :beer:
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Oh, Obama's answer on this should be good - Does he stick to relying on the UN, or does he turn against his base by answering the same as McCain ?
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how much oil do we buy from russia? how is energy independence in the US going to reduce the amount of money that russia has to create mischief?
do we buy more oil from russia than I realize?
More than we buy from Kuwait, but it's small potatoes compared to Venequela.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
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Oh, Obama's answer on this should be good - Does he stick to relying on the UN, or does he turn against his base by answering the same as McCain ?
I vote that he dodges the question completely
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"We will never take military options off the table."
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everything obama is saying is in direct contradiction to his position on iraq. ah, but then he said, "but I have always said", and then he unsays everything that he said in the first part of his answer.
net ideas communicated: zero.
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Iran imports gasoline.
Factoid: Refining gasoline consumes a large amount of water. Discuss. :-)
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I vote that he dodges the question completely
somersaults. he isn't even flip-floppin'. he's doing gymnastics out there.
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I vote that he dodges the question completely
He spewed a whole lot of crap and he never answered the question.... :thatsright:
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everything obama is saying is in direct contradiction to his position on iraq. ah, but then he said, "but I have always said", and then he unsays everything that he said in the first part of his answer.
net ideas communicated: zero.
I disagree - This is an Obama-technique - everyone gets to take what they want from his answers, making everyone happy.
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"Ask my wife." :rimshot:
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"what don't you know, and how will you learn it?" that could be an interesting question.
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More than we buy from Kuwait, but it's small potatoes compared to Venequela.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
Some of Europe's primary pipelines go through Georgia and Turkey.
If Russia gets control of the the pipeline, it will enable them to exert a great deal of control over eastern Europe.
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Yeah, shut up Barry. You got where you were because of Ayers and Rezko.
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Some of Europe's primary pipelines go through Georgia and Turkey.
If Russia gets control of the the pipeline, it will enable them to exert a great deal of control over eastern Europe.
bingo :-*
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He spewed a whole lot of crap and he never answered the question.... :thatsright:
And you're surprised at that?
He's not answering the last question either.
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I disagree - This is an Obama-technique - everyone gets to take what they want from his answers, making everyone happy.
a Rorschach inkblot for an answer, huh? could be. I just found it utterly empty
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Yeah, shut up Barry. You got where you were because of Ayers and Rezko.
You racist! :tongue:
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Obama... weak ending.
McCain always has good endings to his speeches.
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And you're surprised at that?
He's not answering the last question either.
his answer wasn't even in the same timezone as the last question :whatever:
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And you're surprised at that?
He's not answering the last question either.
Not surprised. Just disappointed that he'll never be called on it :censored:
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I would be interested in knowing exactly how Obama got into those best schools.
There are a lot of people without means, who have incredible grades, who apply to Harvard, Yale, Princeton....and don't get in.
Did Obama get in to fill a minority quota?
Not being ugly....just curious.....
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the MSM breakdown will be; "no knockout. oabam wins. cancel the election, and lets just coronate, er, uh, inaugurate obama"
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his answer wasn't even in the same timezone as the last question :whatever:
I think McCain ended strongly at least. Obama shouldn't have gone with the "I've suffered too" approach. Opened the door for McCain.
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a Rorschach inkblot for an answer, huh? could be. I just found it utterly empty
If one can look beyond the imagery ones mind puts into place (as the mind craves order, and will do all in its power to find it even where there is none) one can see the ink-blot test for what it is - a stained piece of paper. As is the typical Obama non-answer.
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I think McCain ended strongly at least. Obama shouldn't have gone with the "I've suffered too" approach. Opened the door for McCain.
yeah, stupid move. there's suffering, and then there's five years in the hanoi hilton.
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That was one ugly debate.
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The recently-late David Foster Wallace followed John McCain's 2000 campaign as a Rolling Stone reporter. An unabridged version is in his book "Consider the Lobster". It's a lot of re-hashing the 2000 Bush/McCain GOP primary, but as far as McCain's personal style, I think it's a very interesting read. I'm surprised the self-professed geniuses in the Democratic party haven't dissected it and torn it to shreds.
You can find the less interesting, shortened version on Rolling Stone's website under the title, "Up! Simba".
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My wrap up:
Weak, empty debate on both sides. Obama wins by default.
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I would be interested in knowing exactly how Obama got into those best schools.
There are a lot of people without means, who have incredible grades, who apply to Harvard, Yale, Princeton....and don't get in.
His typical white grandmother and her husband were well-connected. Which is why I think his answer on healthcare (and using his dead mother as a political prop) was complete, utter, 100% phony bullshit.
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McCain won the nat'l defense side of the debate hands down.
As far as the economic side, if the American people can ever grasp that "Hi, I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help you" equals economic slavery, and over time a loss of freedom, then they'll reject BHO. But, having a nanny state is the easy way out, and way too often people want what they believe to be the "easy fix," especially when things aren't going great, and the "easy fix" is all the Obamassiah is selling.
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Did anyone notice the way Obama pronounces "Taliban"....is almost exactly the same way that Harry Belafonte pronounced "tally man"?
Every time I've heard Obama say Taliban....I've wondered where I heard that pronunciation before....when I heard it tonight, I wasn't in the same room with the tv and it hit me....
Not important or relavant to the debate I know.....but just an observation.
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rachel maddow is just coming on MSNBC . . . I am waiting for my shrill detector to go off . . .
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rachel maddow is just coming on MSNBC . . . I am waiting for my shrill detector to go off . . .
You have a stronger stomach than I, sir.
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"Provide financial assistance to help rebuild their economies"??? WTF??
everything BHO wants to do costs money.
most of what McCain wants, does not.
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I didn't like McCains responses on health care or mortgages.
I think he has alienated a lot of conservatives on those two issues.
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Did anyone notice the way Obama pronounces "Taliban"....is almost exactly the same way that Harry Belafonte pronounced "tally man"?
:rotf:
Oh, wait. *ahem* "That is racist, young lady, and you should be ashamed of yourself."
Nope. Still funny.
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frank luntz's knob turners on foxnews are all obamaphiles tonight, I think.
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rachel maddow is just coming on MSNBC . . . I am waiting for my shrill detector to go off . . .
ewww....
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frank luntz's knob turners on foxnews are all obamaphiles tonight, I think.
Yeah it is a total farce. Everytime they cut to his stupid focus groups I roll my eyes.
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You have a stronger stomach than I, sir.
I make myself do it. I just want to see where they are after a debate. but I have to listen to an hour of lunacy to see if I can find a single decent point.
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Does Obama understand the rules of a town hall debate at all?? :mental:
He doesn't care---rules are for McCain, not the annointed one. He's like a spoiled brat.
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Yeah it is a total farce. Everytime they cut to his stupid focus groups I roll my eyes.
I flipped to MSNBC and saw rachel maddow. I flipped back to foxnews, and got the knob turners. now THERE is a hell of a choice. :-)
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I'm thinking we either need a miracle......or .....maybe when many people actually get in the voting booth - and no one knows how they really vote......they will not vote for a black man named Barrack Hussein Obama....not in this day of wondering just who are the terrorists.
I think he would have had a better chance had his name been Barry Smith.
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I flipped to MSNBC and saw rachel maddow. I flipped back to foxnews, and got the knob turners. now THERE is a hell of a choice. :-)
:rotf: I see something that looks like Rachel Maddow, I usually turn in the opposite direction.
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I sure was hoping to see a little more fire out of McCain tonight. He doesn't act like a man that wants to win.
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frank luntz's knob turners on foxnews are all obamaphiles tonight, I think.
Yeah, you're right. I threw my little stress ball that looks like a hand grenade that I got at a tech show at Scott AFB at the screen at those "unbiased" folks.
I got Obama in the nose on my screen when he was looking particularly smug. :-)
My poor digital, I have to stop doing this, but it feels so good.
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I sure was hoping to see a little more fire out of McCain tonight. He doesn't act like a man that wants to win.
He has to be careful as he has been painted as a man with anger issues.
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they have knob turners on MSNBC, too. nora o'donnel said their focus group went 64-44 for obama. *ahem*
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Yeah, you're right. I threw my little stress ball that looks like a hand grenade that I got at a tech show at Scott AFB at the screen at those "unbiased" folks.
I got Obama in the nose on my screen when he was looking particularly smug. :-)
My poor digital, I have to stop doing this, but it feels so good.
I am going to have to try the "throw the stressball at obama" thing. that sounds like it would be very stress relieving.
ALERT : charles krauthammer is next on foxnews. you don't wanna miss him . . .
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He has to be careful as he has been painted as a man with anger issues.
He should be able to exhibit enthusiasm/passion when making his points without coming off as angry. IMO he came off as lack luster tonight.
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I sure was hoping to see a little more fire out of McCain tonight. He doesn't act like a man that wants to win.
he doesn't act like a man that knows how to win, I will say that.
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he doesn't act like a man that knows how to win, I will say that.
They should have sent in Palin to sub for McCain. :-)
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he doesn't act like a man that knows how to win, I will say that.
You don't win by laying down and playing nice. I know McCain knows how to play hard ball, he's done it enough times in the senate (against his own party). Perhaps he just can't do it against the other party?
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They should have sent in Palin to sub for McCain. :-)
I am sure that we will see more of Sarah Palin in the future, regardless of who wins in november. that's one thing john mccain did accomplish.
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I think McCain comes from a different generation. But I could be wrong. My aunt (Dad's older sister) is his age and retired as a Lt. Col. and she's as fiesty as ever. She just needs a little help carrying her groceries up from the garage.
(kidding. I love you, Aunt Joan).
If I was McCain, I'd have punched that mother****er in the mouth by now.
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obama:
But we can't just provide moral support. We've got to provide moral support to the Poles and Estonia and Latvia and all of the nations that were former Soviet satellites. But we've also got to provide them with financial and concrete assistance to help rebuild their economies. Georgia in particular is now on the brink of enormous economic challenges. And some say that that's what Putin intended in the first place.
I suppose it's a minor quibble, but poland wasn't really a soviet client state after about the mid 70's, I thought. poland certainly didn't belong in the same sentence as latvia and estonia, especially since they were both part the russia since the days of the old russian empire.
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Hannity is talking with Fred Thompson now about the debate. Personally I would rather see Hannity talking with McCain about the Obama Thompson debate...but I digress. :hammer:
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Hannity is talking with Fred Thompson now about the debate. Personally I would rather see Hannity talking with McCain about the Obama Thompson debate...but I digress. :hammer:
All things considered, I would rather see McCain talking with Hannity. WTF.
This guy thinks his "people" are going to handle the media. He needs to step up.
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of all the presidential debate moderators so far, I thought rick warren did the best job.
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of all the presidential debate moderators so far, I thought rick warren did the best job.
It's not hard to out-do Brokaw or the baggy-eyed Bolshevik and his PBS padres.
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??? That wasn't even a town-hall debate at all . . . worse yet, it was boring.
On the pre-debate coverage on FOX News the *pundits* were all saying that McCain had to do very well on this debate, since he's three points or so behind in the cooked polls. ::)
Didn't like the narrow scope of the questions, thought Barack Hussein Obama whined too much AGAIN, but McCain still won.
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I'm going to say the little black muslim boy is going to win the election. With things the way they are, voters are going to blame the party in charge, they aren' really going to look and see what caused it all. It's a mob mentality and the Dem policies are designed for ease of consumption. Only later do people finally figure out that there was nothing substantive behind what they were being fed.
Things are going to stink over the next 4 years, the Big Zero is going to make them worse than if they were just left alone, and in foreign policy he's going to completely screw things up beyond repair (laying the groundwork for a future war in the ME which was probably going to happen one day anyway), but maybe in 2 years we'll have another 1994 and cut him off at the knees before he totally wrecks the planet. Be he's going to win this election.
Ah well, lesson learned as to what happens when your nominee has PO'd the base and actually thinks he can win by getting moderate liberals. People will come out and vote conservative when it's strongly articulated and when you come out and call out liberalism for the socialist crap that it is, that's been proven over and over and over again. We had to know with McCain as the nominee that it was an uphill battle from day one.
I'll sit back and watch, it'll still be worth observing. I can hope for a miracle. But it's also time to start planning to make the Obamassiah loathe the day he was born and to plan on tearing him to shreads before he does it to America.
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That was pretty much a snooze-fest of a debate, IMHO. Obviously, it didn't change my vote. I turned to "The Shield" at 9 pm CT, even though I was recording it.
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the MSM is gradually piling on mccain's plan to buy bad mortgages. fred barnes points out that this is a
plan from a conservative economist, but mccain described it poorly. I hadn't heard it before tonight, but
it's interesting enough to try to google up the details. . . .
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But it's also time to start planning to make the Obamassiah loathe the day he was born and to plan on tearing him to shreads before he does it to America.
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Let's start planning to impeach Obama now!!!111 :-) :-) :-)
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That was pretty much a snooze-fest of a debate, IMHO. Obviously, it didn't change my vote. I turned to "The Shield" at 9 pm CT, even though I was recording it.
switching from something live so you can watch something that you know that you are already recording gives a whole new meaning to "boring". :-)
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I was starting to let the polls bother me. But regained my composure with the understanding that if the media with there left leaning bias reports polls with Nobama leading just outside the margin of error McCain isn't doing as bad as reported. I also think there will be a small but significant amt of stealth votes. Those votes of people currently claiming to be voting for nobama just to avoid being harassed about being a racist.
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after rereading mccain's comments on buying bad mortgages, it sounds like he might just be talking about repealing the "mark to market" accounting rule . . . .
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That was pretty much a snooze-fest of a debate, IMHO. Obviously, it didn't change my vote. I turned to "The Shield" at 9 pm CT, even though I was recording it.
My folks and I started chatting about anything but the debate about a half hour into it. My family loves this kind of stuff. We gather around the freaking tube for this kind of stuff but we were done after about 30 minutes. Even we have our standards. When it became clear that McCain had no intention of slamming Obama on anything, we lost interest.
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I take it back. here is the bomb that mccain dropped on buying up bad mortgages; I have no idea what he meant now.
You know that home values of retirees continues to decline and people are no longer able to afford their mortgage payments. As president of the United States, Alan, I would order the secretary of the treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes -- at the diminished value of those homes and let people be able to make those -- be able to make those payments and stay in their homes.
Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy. And we've got to give some trust and confidence back to America.
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That was pretty much a snooze-fest of a debate, IMHO. Obviously, it didn't change my vote. I turned to "The Shield" at 9 pm CT, even though I was recording it.
Ditto. It was a rerun of the other debates/stump speeches. I'm repeating myself here, but it was one of the few chances for McCain to get his message out. Do you think any of the cable news networks are paying attention to what McCain is saying? Every time Obama makes a new speech, CNN is there with a camera crew and a highlight reel. Tune into CNN Headline News if you think I'm wrong. Watch it for eight hours, if you can stomach it. Between the Nancy Grace promos and the latest "breaking news" gibberish about some naked guy running away from the cops, you'll see the same Obama stump a dozen times a day. McCain would have to run someone down with the Straight Talk Express to get the same amount of air time BO gets.
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and I thought I was just imagining things, or it was just PMSNBC concentrating camera time on the obamas working the crowd after the debate, and ignoring the mccains. but olmerman just said that the mccains "blew town" after the debate. of course, it could be a lot of things; tight scheduling, & etc.
olbermann is going to make something out of this, of course. :whatever:
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oh, FFS! could CNN.com have FOUND a more misleading picture to put on their front page? :banghead: :banghead:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/07/presidential.debate/t1land.debate.03.ap.jpg)
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oh, FFS! could CNN.com have FOUND a more misleading picture to put on their front page? :banghead: :banghead:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/07/presidential.debate/t1land.debate.03.ap.jpg)
You expected something fair & balanced from CNN, Wretch? :whatever: :whatever: :-)
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You expected something fair & balanced from CNN, Wretch? :whatever: :whatever: :-)
of course not. :-) but that one is over the top even for the Commie News Network, formerly known as the Clinton News Network. :uhsure:
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of course not. :-) but that one is over the top even for the Commie News Network, formerly known as the Clinton News Network. :uhsure:
Drudge does get some pretty good picutres, but he doesn't get the same exposure as Chicken Noodle News.
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I take it back. here is the bomb that mccain dropped on buying up bad mortgages; I have no idea what he meant now.
McCain is really screwing the pooch with that.
It is NOT THE JOB of the government to stabilize home values. Is McCain a closet socialist? This concept sure as hell sounds like one.
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You know that home values of retirees continues to decline and people are no longer able to afford their mortgage payments.
What does falling value have to do with the ability to repay an existing loan?
I mean it's one thing if my income becomes reduced due to a job loss or what-ever. But barring something like that; if the market value of my home drops (and it has), I am still able to keep up the payments I negotiated with the lender.
If people got greedy and bought houses on short term ARMs or balloon payment mortgages while hoping the value of the property keeps going up, and the market dips, it is suddenly MY resposibility to save their sorry asses?
I don't think so!
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after rereading mccain's comments on buying bad mortgages, it sounds like he might just be talking about repealing the "mark to market" accounting rule . . . .
I really don't know what he meant. I originally thought he was talking about the securitized instruments. Heard a replay of his remarks and he used wrong terminology or if he really means individual mortgages it's a bad idea
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offering to directly buy the 5% of mortgages that are in default (the number I read most frequently; I have no idea if it is actually accurate or not) isn't going to do anything but piss off the 95% of us that are paying their mortgages.
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offering to directly buy the 5% of mortgages that are in default (the number I read most frequently; I have no idea if it is actually accurate or not) isn't going to do anything but piss off the 95% of us that are paying their mortgages.
You got that right. I know I get pissed off just thinking about it.
I think McCain just came one step closer to losing the election.
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I thought it was kinda boring....But I think polls are gonna be very off this year. I think alot of peeps are just to sick of this campaign, they'll just say most anything to move on to another subject.
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I was at work and shut my live stream about half way through. That's how bored I was...but he also lost me at "the government needs to buy these bad loans". He officially lost my vote tonight. I keep hoping, praying, that he will say something to change my mind, say something that resembles Sarah Palin's comments...anything, Bueller? nope, nothing.
Now, I can only look ahead to 2012.
Time to stock up on non-perishables folks,it's going to be a rough ride.
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I thought it was kinda boring....But I think polls are gonna be very off this year. I think alot of peeps are just to sick of this campaign, they'll just say most anything to move on to another subject.
Hell Ree... I got tired of it about 6 months ago. But I still pay attention.
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I was at work and shut my live stream about half way through. That's how bored I was...but he also lost me at "the government needs to buy these bad loans". He officially lost my vote tonight. I keep hoping, praying, that he will say something to change my mind, say something that resembles Sarah Palin's comments...anything, Bueller? nope, nothing.
Now, I can only look ahead to 2012.
Time to stock up on non-perishables folks,it's going to be a rough ride.
So... Will you vote for a 3rd party or just sit it out this year?
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So... Will you vote for a 3rd party or just sit it out this year?
Probably will vote for Bob Barr. His stances are more in line with my views.
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Probably will vote for Bob Barr. His stances are more in line with my views.
To each our own.
Vote your conscience.
At the end of the day, you are the only one that has to live with your decisions.
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To each our own.
Vote your conscience.
At the end of the day, you are the only one that has to live with your decisions.
If you're trying to make me feel guilty for not voting for the liberal who brags about voting against his own party, over and over again, it's not working. :-)
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If you're trying to make me feel guilty for not voting for the liberal who brags about voting against his own party, over and over again, it's not working. :-)
No no no.
I was sincere when I posted "Vote your conscience". I meant that.
I'd rather you have the "guts" to vote the way you want, than to give into what is popular with one party or other.
I'd prefer you to be yourself, and not give into peer pressure to drink whatever flavor of koolaide that was popular at the time.
I am sick to death of posts that claim a "vote for a third party" is a vote for Obama.
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{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
MCCAIN................ 65%... 93,828
OBAMA ................ 32%... 46,270
NEITHER................ 4% .....5,201
Total Votes: 145,299
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God, from what I'm reading here and seeing on CNN, MSNBC, even Fox, McCain might as well have gone on stage and drowned a litter of newborn kittens in tonight's debate.
WTF happened??? I thought McCain would really go after Obama on his record, taxes, alliance, etc.
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God, from what I'm reading here and seeing on CNN, MSNBC, even Fox, McCain might as well have gone on stage and drowned a litter of newborn kittens in tonight's debate.
WTF happened??? I thought McCain would really go after Obama on his record, taxes, alliance, etc.
He decided to "play nice" it seems.
It may have very well cost him the election.
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He decided to "play nice" it seems.
It may have very well cost him the election.
McCain saw what playing nice to the libs did to him in the press when he decided to run for president. Bush tried to play nice with Kennedy and the Swimmer shoved a knife in his back over policies over the last 8 years.... ya wanna reach across the aisle? Fine.. but only to smack the piss out of the libs! McCain should take that lesson.
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If you're trying to make me feel guilty for not voting for the liberal who brags about voting against his own party, over and over again, it's not working. :-)
Just a tad overly sensitive there aren't you? Seriously, this election is an anomaly. Before Sarah I was just voting against Obama (but was voting within the confines of the 2 party system because the logical part of my brain knows one or the other person will win regardless of my respect for a third party). But the fact that someone would feel compelled to vote a 3rd party this year, well for the dems Obama is a liberal wet dream, isn't a shocker. Voting one's conscience isn't just a right, it's a responsibility. I'm sure you're smart enough to weigh the consequences of your choice. It's the same choice we all face.
Cindie
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Just a tad overly sensitive there aren't you? Seriously, this election is an anomaly. Before Sarah I was just voting against Obama (but was voting within the confines of the 2 party system because the logical part of my brain knows one or the other person will win regard less of my respect for a third party). But the fact that someone would feel compelled to vote a 3rd party this year, well for the dems Obama is a liberal wet dream, isn't a shocker. Voting one's conscience isn't just a right, it's a responsibility. I'm sure you're smart enough to weigh the consequences of your choice. It's the same choice we all face.
Cindie
Sensitive? nah...thought Richt was being sarcastic....so based my comment on that....clearly, I misread his post, which can be done on forums where you don't really know a person and false perceptions are comon.
As for voting for McCain because it's a vote against Obama may make you feel better...but I'd rather vote FOR someone than give my vote to someone as a default.
I'm a conservative first, a republican second. McCain is a disappointment. I don't fault any conservative for voting for him anyway..but don't judge my vote because I disagree with your reasoning.
Besides I vote how I please...not TO please. :-)
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He decided to "play nice" it seems.
It may have very well cost him the election.
Oh well, I guess a four year administration of The Chosen One won't be that :thatsright:bad
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If you're trying to make me feel guilty for not voting for the liberal who brags about voting against his own party, over and over again, it's not working. :-)
Like Bob Barr did? Meh--maybe you and he can pal around at the ACLU offices and defend some child molestors.
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God, from what I'm reading here and seeing on CNN, MSNBC, even Fox, McCain might as well have gone on stage and drowned a litter of newborn kittens in tonight's debate.
WTF happened??? I thought McCain would really go after Obama on his record, taxes, alliance, etc.
Same shit as always: McCain is far too habituated/comfortable with throwing his base under the bus instead of listening to them.
People this is worse than just a WH takeover. Obama could drag additional dems into the House and Senate. Coupled with the RINOs and conservatives too damned scared of opposing The One...
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Sensitive? nah...thought Richt was being sarcastic....so based my comment on that....clearly, I misread his post, which can be done on forums where you don't really know a person and false perceptions are comon.
As for voting for McCain because it's a vote against Obama may make you feel better...but I'd rather vote FOR someone than give my vote to someone as a default.
I'm a conservative first, a republican second. McCain is a disappointment. I don't fault any conservative for voting for him anyway..but don't judge my vote because I disagree with your reasoning.
Besides I vote how I please...not TO please. :-)
Actually it does make me feel better.
Now you make take the vote-your-principles approach which is perfectly fine in the primaries to a certain point, but at the end of the day is just an exercise in political naiveness.
Bill Clinton won the presidency twice because of the mindset you epouse. Bill Clinton gutted our military and brought the WoT to NYC. But hey, the budget was balanced and the economy was just great so it's all good right?
A vote for Bob Barr is a vote in the toilet, and by default a vote for Barrack Hussein Obama. You casting your vote for anything outside of the Republican party will bring real consequences that will resonate a tad bit more than "serves you right RNC for __________."<---- fill in the blank with whatever whine you have against the party as a whole. You don't change the RNC that way. You don't effect change in government that way. You do end up screwing the country that way.
You want to leave the party then by all means leave the party. However a true conservative would rather walk across hot coals than risk placing the likes of Barrack Hussein Obama as CIC and leader of the free world. Staying home is not an option. Voting for nonsense candidates is not an option. Politics is nasty no-so-pretty business and has been that way since our country was founded. McCain isn't your candidate? too bad. McCain is too moderate for you? too bad.
I will be voting for McCain whether I want to or not, as the alternative is completely unacceptable. That is the political reality of it all.
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Same shit as always: McCain is far too habituated/comfortable with throwing his base under the bus instead of listening to them.
People this is worse than just a WH takeover. Obama could drag additional dems into the House and Senate. Coupled with the RINOs and conservatives too damned scared of opposing The One...
Maybe. The one bright spot is the Dems will have to eat this whole financial mess themselves. Many financial folks think this is going to take several years to fix, so the market downfall will hog-tie the entire agenda of whoever is President. No money for Dems and an electorate hostile to new taxes will stop them from doing anything productive.
And by the time 2012 rolls around, it will ALL be the Democrats fault.
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I had Fox & Friends on this morning, and someone (I don't know who as I was just listenin to it and not watching it) made the comment that the market is tanking everyday as a reflection of Obama surging in the polls. Right now the ecomony is in bed with the flu, but the economy will recover and will be none the worse for it. With an Obama presidency looming, the economy is in bed with the flu, with a cancer diagnosis emminent. Raising taxes, huge increases in government spending and mandates could potentially kill the ecomony.
Think of it -- the government is bailing out Wall Street, yet the market is crashing? makes no sense really. The reason for the crash is Barrack Hussein Obama appears to be poised to take the presidency.
That is a sting that will linger for one hell of a while.
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Maybe. The one bright spot is the Dems will have to eat this whole financial mess themselves. Many financial folks think this is going to take several years to fix, so the market downfall will hog-tie the entire agenda of whoever is President. No money for Dems and an electorate hostile to new taxes will stop them from doing anything productive.
And by the time 2012 rolls around, it will ALL be the Democrats fault.
No. It will serve as cover for socializing the balance of the economy. Seriously, when was the last time the dems stopped, scratched their heads and said, "Maybe we're going about this the wrong way"?
Instead, what they do is exactly what they were doing before only more vigorously.
Do you think the Obama Truth Squads that will be moving into the DoJ will tolerate any alternative narratives on the Fannie/Freddie scandal while the dems blame it on the GOP and vow to make sure no other US sector of the economy is allowed to be deregulated ever again?
Do you think in a money crunch they're going to spend $10 billion/month on the war or are tehy gonna get on TV and say we can't afford it and their sweeping new healthcare reform plan?
Do you think missile defense will survive? If it doesn't do you think Obama will pre-empt Iran or negotiate?
Looking forward to tens of billions being sucked-out of the economy to fund fairy tale alternative energies while the OCS, ANWR and Green River shale sit untapped wiht money pouring into the ME and no new US jobs?
Why defend the border when you can let in 20 million new democrat voters and multi-culturize them honky rednecks to death?
These are rhetorical questions, of course; and I have faith in your answers...
...it's McCain that doesn't seem to have a @#$%ing clue.
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Maybe. The one bright spot is the Dems will have to eat this whole financial mess themselves. Many financial folks think this is going to take several years to fix, so the market downfall will hog-tie the entire agenda of whoever is President. No money for Dems and an electorate hostile to new taxes will stop them from doing anything productive.
And by the time 2012 rolls around, it will ALL be the Democrats fault.
THIS TIME it is the democrat's fault and they are acting like they aren't covered in shit at all. What the hell makes you think they will take the heat 4 years from now? As long as the MSM is a subsidy of the dnc and the Republican Party continues to not be able to find its big boy panys, the democrats will skate scott free. We will wake up in the next 15 years and find we are canada writ large and worse -- massive unemployment from capital fleeing onerous taxes, at least one (and probably 2 or 3) massive terrorist attacks on our soil, inflation because of the lack of supply channels: the carter era will seem like a cakewalk.
And the democrats will still blame bush -- shit,. they are blaming Reagan for the current crisis -- and no one is arguing back.
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Maybe. The one bright spot is the Dems will have to eat this whole financial mess themselves. Many financial folks think this is going to take several years to fix, so the market downfall will hog-tie the entire agenda of whoever is President. No money for Dems and an electorate hostile to new taxes will stop them from doing anything productive.
And by the time 2012 rolls around, it will ALL be the Democrats fault.
doubt it. just judging from his past behavior, nothing is The BarackStar!'s fault. for that matter, the man is incapable of admitting when he's wrong. if he wins, he will be blaming george bush for his problems right up until election night, 2012, when he calls Sarah Palin to concede the election to her.
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No. It will serve as cover for socializing the balance of the economy. Seriously, when was the last time the dems stopped, scratched their heads and said, "Maybe we're going about this the wrong way"?
Instead, what they do is exactly what they were doing before only more vigorously.
Do you think the Obama Truth Squads that will be moving into the DoJ will tolerate any alternative narratives on the Fannie/Freddie scandal while the dems blame it on the GOP and vow to make sure no other US sector of the economy is allowed to be deregulated ever again?
Do you think in a money crunch they're going to spend $10 billion/month on the war or are tehy gonna get on TV and say we can't afford it and their sweeping new healthcare reform plan?
Do you think missile defense will survive? If it doesn't do you think Obama will pre-empt Iran or negotiate?
Looking forward to tens of billions being sucked-out of the economy to fund fairy tale alternative energies while the OCS, ANWR and Green River shale sit untapped wiht money pouring into the ME and no new US jobs?
Why defend the border when you can let in 20 million new democrat voters and multi-culturize them honky rednecks to death?
These are rhetorical questions, of course; and I have faith in your answers...
...it's McCain that doesn't seem to have a @#$%ing clue.
they would need a total calamity before they could enact the entirety of their real agenda. the timing and scope of the financial crisis really does concern me that this could be "the perfect storm". people would have to be scared out of their wits about their futures, and think that they have literally nothing to lose before they could turn over the reins of power to an utter neophyte.
or, it could be one of those situations where people vote in november based on being terrified in october about a problem that really doesn't seem so bad on the day they inaugurate the "panic button candidate". I recall being truly outraged that the MSM decided that the economy was "well on the way to recovery" . . . the day after bill clinton was elected.
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they would need a total calamity before they could enact the entirety of their real agenda. the timing and scope of the financial crisis really does concern me that this could be "the perfect storm". people would have to be scared out of their wits about their futures, and think that they have literally nothing to lose before they could turn over the reins of power to an utter neophyte.
or, it could be one of those situations where people vote in november based on being terrified in october about a problem that really doesn't seem so bad on the day they inaugurate the "panic button candidate". I recall being truly outraged that the MSM decided that the economy was "well on the way to recovery" . . . the day after bill clinton was elected.
You better believe the headlines of Jan 21, 2009 will read: Economy Rebounds, Pres. Obama Vows, Never Again; Enacts Sweeping Economic Reforms
And in Oct 2012, as the economy has tanked we shall read: Obama Reforms Incomplete as Country Slides Deeper into GOP-Ignited Depression
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You better believe the headlines of Jan 21, 2009 will read: Economy Rebounds, Pres. Obama Vows, Never Again; Enacts Sweeping Economic Reforms
And in Oct 2012, as the economy has tanked we shall read: Obama Reforms Incomplete as Country Slides Deeper into GOP-Ignited Depression
You may get the same headlines with a McCain presidency in regards to the economy as he is aligned with Obama's views and actually sounded even more radical with his statements last night.
It's on the news shows all morning....questioning what he meant last night. Some pundits were saying maybe he'll help speculators in LA and Miami...hmmm...if that's he case, I should be partying since I'd be a benefactor .....but in principal, it's still wrong to make the taxpayers pay for our mistakes.
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Obama is on Fox speaking in Tampa (?)....half of what he is saying is what McCain said last night. :banghead: