primitives want to lecture good and decent people on giving money to bums

[BattleHymn]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025996797


In today's campfire, the primitives discover the exception that proves the rule, but don't realize it's the exception.  Here is a sampling of what's on the island.  I recommend rowing over and reading the whole thing for yourself, though:

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:15 PM
Star Member A HERETIC I AM (13,622 posts)

Young fella gives $100 to a homeless panhandler. He heads straight for a liquor store......

but what happens next brought tears to my eyes;

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUBTAdI7zuY[/youtube]

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:36 PM
Star Member steve2470 (25,117 posts)
1. wonderful video, thank you

ALL conservatives need to view this.

If only we could be as generous as the primitives, and give homeless people bean soup.   But hold on, this is where it starts to get good:

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:50 PM
Bandit (21,212 posts)
5. Even if he bought something to drink, so what?

His life is not very pleasant and a drink or two means a great deal I'm sure. Who are we to say one way or another. I would not mind at all if they bought booze with money I give them. In fact I expect it and think no less of them for it. It is after all Christmas.

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:59 PM
Star Member A HERETIC I AM (13,622 posts)
7. You know what? I wouldn't have cared!

I give money to folks like that guy all the time. As a funny Aussie comedian whose name escapes me said;

"People tell me not to give money to the homeless. 'They'll only spend it on booze and drugs!' So what? I don't care. That's probably what I was gonna spend it on anyway!"

 

I regularly give money to those I see on the street that need it and quite frankly don't care what they do with it. The video touched me for several reasons. 1st, it may very well be that the producer thought "he'll just go get shitfaced with that money", filmed him and if they hadn't continued filming after he walked out of the liquor store, their answer was given.

2nd, that's not what happened. And it is remarkable, for no other reason than it is a first for me to see such a video.

I thought it deserved a chance to be brought to this boards attention.

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:02 PM
Star Member Mnemosyne (19,562 posts)
9. Sometimes a drink is all that's between an alcoholic and a deadly withdrawal. Great Video! nt

Alcohol is a human right!

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:19 PM
MindPilot (11,732 posts)
15. I know, right? People think they are entitled to judge.

It is an ongoing dialog with my co-workers and I. We see a homeless guy and someone will make a comment (or yell "get a job!" out the window, although that is not permitted when I'm driving) and I have to explain that a) he already has a job and by any objective standard it's a good one. Although no health care or 401k, he works outside, meets people, sets his own hours, is his own boss, and best of all pays zero taxes. And b) who are you to judge what he does with his money? Does our boss given any thought at all to what we do with our paychecks? He is not stealing anything; he's earning money just like the rest us in the working class, the hard way.

He's selling a product--redemption & alleviation of guilt--you feel better when you give the guy a buck because you've done your charitable good deed for the day.

There is no pilot piloting the mindpilot's mind.

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:04 PM
daredtowork (1,177 posts)
44. What an awe-inspiring way to look at it.

Begging is work - demeaning workbpeople are forced into. At least there is a chance it will earn a few dollars. Now take filling out endless job applications, networking, and going to "informational interviews" - all for no pay - and there is a high probability of them being a waste of time when you are an introvert with no "connections", there is a multi-year gap in your resume, and none of your recommendations are corporate. In fact this process just drains your few resources as you try to "look professional" and pay for transportation, copies, correspondence, long distance phone calls, etc. For the "long term unemployed", going through the motions of "getting a job" is worse than slavery. Meanwhile the guy working the corner has found a way to survive.

I love your way of looking at it. Everyone needs to be reminded that there is no straight up cash "dole" unless you are disabled, and that's not as easy to get as lawyers make it sound on TV. The alternatives to panhandling are prostituion and criminal activity.

Also life at the poverty level, even if you aren't homeless is extremely stressful just because of the amount of absurd crap the State puts you through. Various bureaucracies are only there to work through their own procedures and gripe about their own under-staffed circumstances. Instead of focusing on helping the person who needs help, all the stress is imposed on the person who can't do anything about it.

I've read articles where impoverished people explain their "bad decision" to smoke or drink. It usually comes down to self-medicating for stress, living in inhumane conditions, and compensating for the failures of the new one-symptom-at-a-time Team Medicine where the entire team underserves the poor by positing "lifestyle" and "behavioral" issues (because testing for real medical problems is too expensive).

I don't smoke or drink - but I sometimes wonder if I'd actually function better if I did. Homeless people are people, too, and they are doing what they have to do in the moment. If that includes drinking, there's probably a bigger picture of dehumanization to consider.

Then why the **** do you guys keep chasing stewert off of your board?  Well??

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:38 PM
War Horse (829 posts)
19. I'm with you

If I give someone money and they use it for alcohol, it's probably because they need it. Badly.
I'll give this video a pass, though. Assuming it's real, it's a good message to get out there.

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 04:25 PM
PatrynXX (3,641 posts)
34. yeah don't much care what he does with it. as long as it gives him hope

or her hope. cause I know alot of people who are close to losing their homes and they'd rather die that give it up. bad stigma... just make do with what you have. Different reality to them.

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:59 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (19,478 posts)
25. The Puritans and the Temperance Movements were hard core Religious Right....

That crap is in everything you hear when you hear contempt for the poor and smug superiority about sobriety.

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 04:14 PM
Star Member Warpy (80,546 posts)
29. I've never had the effrontery to tell a homeless person to do with any money I've given

because whoever it is knows what his/her needs are better than I do.

If that need is a bottle of wine, it's a very real one. Untreated DTs are 50% fatal. That cheap wine is the difference between life and death for alcoholics on the street.

I've been careful about how much I give if the person's eyes are already clouded by alcohol or drugs. $20 will buy a bottle plus maybe some clean socks, a bar of soap, a fast food dinner, or other creature comforts. $100 might buy enough booze to be fatal in itself.

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:16 PM
benz380 (77 posts)
13. If you're going to give him money then leave him alone.

Stop following people to see what they are going to do with your 'kind' gift so you can post it online.
I mention this because I have a co-worker that gives money to homeless people in front of fast food joints and then he harasses and threatens them that they better go inside and buy food with it. He will drive circles around the lot making sure they don't go out another door without a purchase. He has even taken his 'gift' back if they come out with just a drink. This pisses me off because he videos them and then laughs with his friends at work as he shows it to them. He's young and lives at home with his well-to-do parents. I told him he could be homeless some day but of course he just laughs it off.

What a bum bouncy.

On and on the thread goes.  It's really worth a row over to have a look. 

[Delmar]

Response to Bandit (Reply #5)Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:19 PM
MindPilot (11,732 posts)
15. I know, right? People think they are entitled to judge.

You're damn right I am entitled to judge.

[Big Dog]

MindPilot (11,732 posts)
15. I know, right? People think they are entitled to judge.

My money, my rules.

It is an ongoing dialog with my co-workers and I. We see a homeless guy and someone will make a comment (or yell "get a job!" out the window, although that is not permitted when I'm driving) and I have to explain that a) he already has a job and by any objective standard it's a good one. Although no health care or 401k, he works outside, meets people, sets his own hours, is his own boss, and best of all pays zero taxes.

That is progressive heresy. Are bums Taxed Enough Already?  The Democrat party demands that the serfs works for the benefit of the State, and the serfs may keep only as much as the State permits.

And b) who are you to judge what he does with his money?

If I disapprove of how he spends it, then it won't become "his" money. It will remain my money.

He's selling a product--redemption & alleviation of guilt--you feel better when you give the guy a buck because you've done your charitable good deed for the day.

The beggar sells nothing. He creates the guilt you say he alleves, and uses that guilt to his advantage. That's why I don't give beggars money. I may tell a beggar I'll pay him for honest labor; but I have never had one accept.

Remember, lurking Dummies: Give a man a fish, and he'll show up again the next day demanding another free fish.

[thundley4]

The video looks too much like a scripted bouncy.  No wonder the DUmmies buy it hook, line and stinker.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Begging is work?  Jeeebus, the DUmmies are morons...

[Carl]

Not one primitive on that thread has ever likely given a nickel to another person. 

[tanstaafl]

Begging is work?  Jeeebus, the DUmmies are morons...

well, for some. Just ask the professional panhadlers at the train stations in NYC or Rahmsville.

[whiffleball]

Here's just one of many stories that can be found about how much these beggars take home http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/SPECIAL_REPORT_South_Lansing_Panhandling_Group_--_is_it_a_Scam_149063045.html

My old hometown required the beggar to buy an orange vest from the city each year for $20 and register as a panhandler.  A story run by local TV interviewed one of those unfortunates who said he made close to 75K that year.  He used to bring his dog with a bandanna tied around it's neck for added "aww" when he begged on the off ramp of I40.

[tanstaafl]

Here's just one of many stories that can be found about how much these beggars take home http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/SPECIAL_REPORT_South_Lansing_Panhandling_Group_--_is_it_a_Scam_149063045.html

My old hometown required the beggar to buy an orange vest from the city each year for $20 and register as a panhandler.  A story run by local TV interviewed one of those unfortunates who said he made close to 75K that year.  He used to bring his dog with a bandanna tied around it's neck for added "aww" when he begged on the off ramp of I40.

Well! That's a ripoff. You can buy the orange vests all day long for $6.95 at Walmart.

One thing I've noticed lately is the off ramp "will work for food" beggars aren't as prevalent as they used to be. I remember the same couple at the I-55 off ramp at Midway Airport for weeks, back in the 90's when I was working a project near there. Then one day they were gone. One of the Shitcago inspectors made the comment that they must made enough to get to HI, but most likely CA. Winter was coming.

[Carl]

Dumbfuks will cry endlessly about how poor they are but the first thing they would do if given money would be find the local dealer for some weed.

[USA4ME]

The video is staged. Just how gullible are you, primitives? You'll fall for anything that fits the narrative you've already decided you want to believe.

Let's see; someone gives a homeless man $100 under the premise they're going to follow him around and see what he does, he directly goes to a liquor store and walks out with a bag full of what we are to naturally conclude is booze, but it turns out he bought food to give to other homeless people and we should be ashamed for thinking he'd just get drunk with it. And you idiots fell for that?

How many of you go grocery shopping at the liquor store? Com'n, you got a $100 and you're gonna buy food at a liquor store? Or even a convenience store? You're going to go to a grocery story; a discount one if there's one nearby.

Holy Dimwits! You primitives will fall for anything.

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[Ralph Wiggum]

well, for some. Just ask the professional panhadlers at the train stations in NYC or Rahmsville.

A well-known local TV anchor in my former stomping grounds in Chicago used to hand out business cards for homeless shelters to those who would panhandle for money.  My neighbor & good friend was an administrator for several shelters over the years (and she was very liberal) agreed with that approach.

[landofconfusion80]

Imagining that it wasn't actually staged.... how many bums would you actually have to hand money to before you hit this guy? There was some lady panhandling by a gas station close to my work.  One day she was dressed Amish, the next she wasn't.....hmmm.

[obumazombie]

Someone is purloining my schtick!
Alcohol is a basic human right, but only if it's free.
I hope all the Dummies are lying (as they so naturally do) in this thread.
If not, comments like...

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:02 PM
Star Member Mnemosyne (19,562 posts)
9. Sometimes a drink is all that's between an alcoholic and a deadly withdrawal. Great Video! nt

Irresponsible, hazardous, and totally misinformed.
If they knew anything about the disease of alcoholism, especially the effects of long term alcoholism, they would keep their filthy sewers shut.

[BattleHymn]

Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:23 PM
Helen Borg (1,129 posts)
107. Has anyone verified he is not an actor?

I get the uplifting message of the video, I'm just curious whether it is fact or fiction.

Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:35 AM
PumpkinAle (888 posts)
67. Staged or not, may be it will get

people to see beyond their prejudices to the human being who is homeless, living in poverty or mentally ill.

And if it does, it is a good thing.

Fake, but accurate!!  The pumpkinale primitive, graduate of the Dan Rather School of Logic.

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:59 PM
Everything Sucks (1 post)
66. Pretty obviously staged.

Yeah, check out the dude's other uploads. He's a guy who tries to profit from Youtube by posting a bunch of outlandish "pranks" which are sure to garner hundreds of thousands or even millions of views.

It's just a series of coincidences that a guy striving for views would find a homeless fellow who would buy food from a freaking liquor store of all places to hand out to other homeless people? And so soon after Olive Garden's Random Acts of Pasta astroturf campaign? I can't imagine "Homeless Guy Uses Money to Buy Booze" would rack up too many views.

Wed Dec 24, 2014, 08:41 AM
Star Member Nye Bevan (18,265 posts)
90. Also, the "homeless" guy's white pants are suspiciously clean (nt)

[Karin]

Took them long enough.  They are the most gullible people in the world.  Common trait with moonbattery.
 
The liquor stores around here have absolutely zero grocery items.  Just the booze.  Is it different elsewhere? 

[BattleHymn]

Took them long enough.  They are the most gullible people in the world.  Common trait with moonbattery.
 
The liquor stores around here have absolutely zero grocery items.  Just the booze.  Is it different elsewhere?

Only the high end booze shacks around here have foodstuffs.  They largely consist of items that cater to the same clientele who would buy high end booze, and not bum wine.  You'll find specialty and imported cheeses, that type of stuff. 

There are no Totino's pizzas or frozen burritos, for sure. 

[thundley4]

Took them long enough.  They are the most gullible people in the world.  Common trait with moonbattery.
 
The liquor stores around here have absolutely zero grocery items.  Just the booze.  Is it different elsewhere?

The few liquor stores I've been in only have snacks like chips, pretzels, beef jerky and Slim Jims.

[obumazombie]

The few liquor stores I've been in only have snacks like chips, pretzels, beef jerky and Slim Jims.

Like Lloyd and Harry cashing out at the diner.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Took them long enough.  They are the most gullible people in the world.  Common trait with moonbattery.
 
The liquor stores around here have absolutely zero grocery items.  Just the booze.  Is it different elsewhere?

Liquor/beer/wine is available here at your garden variety convenience stores. There are certainly other higher end places to get it where they only sell spirits.  Depends on the part of town & area I suppose.

[thundley4]

Liquor/beer/wine is available here at your garden variety convenience stores. There are certainly other higher end places to get it where they only sell spirits.  Depends on the part of town & area I suppose.

Most of the grocery stores sell all kinds of booze, so we have very few dedicated liquor stores.  All but one of them are in parts of the town that I drive through with the windows up and doors locked if I have to go through them.

[67 Rover]

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 04:14 PM
Star Member Warpy (80,546 posts)
29. I've never had the effrontery to tell a homeless person to do with any money I've given

because whoever it is knows what his/her needs are better than I do.

If that need is a bottle of wine, it's a very real one. Untreated DTs are 50% fatal. That cheap wine is the difference between life and death for alcoholics on the street.

I've been careful about how much I give if the person's eyes are already clouded by alcohol or drugs. $20 will buy a bottle plus maybe some clean socks, a bar of soap, a fast food dinner, or other creature comforts. $100 might buy enough booze to be fatal in itself.

Unless it is a Conservative voting, then it is against their best interest to vote repuke right DUmmie.

[I_B_Perky]

Took them long enough.  They are the most gullible people in the world.  Common trait with moonbattery.
 
The liquor stores around here have absolutely zero grocery items.  Just the booze.  Is it different elsewhere?

Around these parts a chain drug store has the license to sell booze, Karin. WV bids the booze license out and the highest bidder gets the right to sell it for some period of time. It can be funny sometimes around the first of the month as the welfare folks come in, get their free meds and then head directly to the booze aisle. I have actually seen the pharmacist rush over and tell them "You can't take that med with alcohol."

This year the chain finally decided to start requiring a state issued ID to buy booze regardless of age. Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth that went on!

[obumazombie]

It's very offensive to call them "bums".
They are domicile challenged.

[BattleHymn]

It's very offensive to call them "bums".
They are domicile challenged.

The primitive's theme song.  I've posted it once before, but it just seems fitting in this thread:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivybD98Nnoc[/youtube]

Grasswipe Judy, who scours the flea markets looking for anything she might be able to cheat someone with by reselling might like to know that I own this on Challenge 539.