Obama's Cuba triumph begins to turn to bitter ashes in their mouths

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

moondust (9,527 posts)

In 10 years who will effectively control Cuba?
   
1. Communist government.
2. Some other kind of government.
3. The Cuban people.
4. Corporations.
5. Other.

 

Bonus question: 20 years?

PCIntern (15,491 posts)

1. United Fruit nt

Is that another gay rights organization?

earthside (5,320 posts)

2. Goldman Sachs n/t

That sounds like a gay rights organization too.

Whiskeytide (885 posts)

3. Someone named Walton, I suspect. n/t

hifiguy (17,149 posts)

5. The Banksters.

They already run the US.

See.

Even when they say they won they're miserable.

msongs (34,874 posts)

7. the repressive castro dictatorship so beloved by "socialist progressives" will die with the
 
castros. after cubans have some freedoms they are currently denied, who knows what kind of group will control the island.

hopefully it will not be a sociopathic killer like Che.

Oh my.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025979279

[Chris_]

That sounds like a gay rights organization too.

Golden Sacks

[Big Dog]

Their Workers' Paradise will be sullied by the eevil capitalist peegs. Nothing but McDonalds' and "buy here, pay here" used car lots as far as the eye can see.

The Dummies will have mucho butthurtiness, and I will laugh at them.

Ha' ha, ha ha' ha!

[Conservative Libertarian]

Post # 7 is on the road to being banned for such blasphemy (i.e. the truth).

[Vagabond]

This may actually be the single most (only) intelligent piece of foreign policy action that Obama has made.  Russian-Cuban ties are mostly historical and Russia is in no position to provide any aid to Cuba at this point.  With the oil prices currently being so low, Venezuela can not afford to provide free oil to Cuba.  The current situation leaves Cuba with limited options.  Negotiating with them noe gives us the opportunity to negotiate from a position of strength.

Cuban communism won't outlast the Castro brothers.  Bringing Cuba back into our sphere of influence is definitely in our interest.

[DumbAss Tanker]

^ Agreed.  I'm sure he made it for the wrong reasons, being Obama, but I see it as a large net gain for us and a key wedge between Communism and the Cuban populace.

[USA4ME]

I went to school with kids whose parents had grown up in Cuba. While they didn't particularly like Batista because, like other rulers throughout Central and South America (and in the Caribbean to a lesser extent since most island were still basically colonies of either the USA or European countries) at the time, he was a tin-pot dictator, they definitely didn't want to become communist, so their hatred for Castro was, and still is, very real.

Maybe some good will come from it. Most of the Cubans I knew were basically good people, though there were enough cut-throats among them that gave them a bad reputation. I like Cuban food, so that goes a long way with me.

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[J P Sousa]

This may actually be the single most (only) intelligent piece of foreign policy action that Obama has made.  Russian-Cuban ties are mostly historical and Russia is in no position to provide any aid to Cuba at this point.  With the oil prices currently being so low, Venezuela can not afford to provide free oil to Cuba.  The current situation leaves Cuba with limited options.  Negotiating with them noe gives us the opportunity to negotiate from a position of strength.

Cuban communism won't outlast the Castro brothers.  Bringing Cuba back into our sphere of influence is definitely in our interest.

Negotiating......Obama ?............you mean like he's negotiating with Iran ? 
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[obumazombie]

^ Agreed.  I'm sure he made it for the wrong reasons, being Obama, but I see it as a large net gain for us and a key wedge between Communism and the Cuban populace.

I like the way you are thinking about this.
owebuma has been such a failure at almost everything he has touched, maybe his attempt here although nefarious will fail in a way that will be in the best interests of a conservative America.

[JohnnyReb]

Hmmmmmm......insurgents can fly in in first class and not even get their feet wet this time.

I remember reading back in high school(late 50's) that our own CIA was backing Castro on the QT at that time. Maybe the CIA is planning another revolution in Cuba? Wouldn't that piss the DUmmies off.

[DumbAss Tanker]

They act like enslavement of a Third World country to our evil corporate overlords is a bad thing...

 

[zeitgeist]

I went to school with kids whose parents had grown up in Cuba. While they didn't particularly like Batista because, like other rulers throughout Central and South America (and in the Caribbean to a lesser extent since most island were still basically colonies of either the USA or European countries) at the time, he was a tin-pot dictator, they definitely didn't want to become communist, so their hatred for Castro was, and still is, very real.

Maybe some good will come from it. Most of the Cubans I knew were basically good people, though there were enough cut-throats among them that gave them a bad reputation. I like Cuban food, so that goes a long way with me.

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The ones I knew in Florida in the late sixties were definitely anti Castro, anti communist.  They use to have paramilitary groups in the 'glades.  Then there were the ones I met in PR four years later(another paramilitary group).  Again very anti Castro, anti communist.  [Cubans were not well liked by the Puerto Ricans who called them 'the Jews of the Caribbean' but that is a whole different story.] 

I have been led to believe the Mariel-istas Castro shipped out are very different from the Cubans I knew all those years ago.  The ones I knew were recently arrived children of refugees who left everything when they fled.  Mariel-istas were the dregs of society, a brutal joke Fidel played on Carter.   Let's hope Obiewun, aka Son of Carter, doesn't fall pray to the same ploy again.
 

[Karin]

Response to moondust (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:55 PM

Jim Warren (2,735 posts)
18. Not who but what

Say what one might about Fidel but at least he was able to hold off for several decades the inevitable and sickening sweep of toxic pathology the "modern" world represents.

 

Crushing, grinding poverty is so much better than say, modern flushing toilets and farm equipment just a little more modern than the stone age.  Asshole. 

[obumazombie]

Crushing, grinding poverty is so much better than say, modern flushing toilets and farm equipment just a little more modern than the stone age.  Asshole.

Yeah, let's not extol any of the virtues of the benefits of the modern era with it's modern knowledge, technology and convenience.

refrigeration, nearly eliminating deaths due to spoiled food
modern sewage, drastically reducing all kinds of diseases
electricity, advancing education and industry by geometric bounds
air conditioning, nearly eliminating heat related illnesses
modern transportation has nearly eliminated trauma and critical care mortality
The life expectancy and overall health and standard of living have meant that people today can live lives far richer, healthier and longer than the greatest pharaohs and the greatest of native indigent chiefs ever.
But let's just badmouth all that and extol the virtues of the least civilized.

[J P Sousa]

Average pay for a doctor in Cuba, $30 and $50 per month.

  Response to moondust (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:55 PM

Jim Warren (2,735 posts)
18. Not who but what

Say what one might about Fidel but at least he was able to hold off for several decades the inevitable and sickening sweep of toxic pathology the "modern" world represents. 

Like good healthcare ?
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

Washington Post : Obama gives the Castro regime in Cuba an undeserved bailout

John Stossel;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-8TcpOz6A4