Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case

[JohnnyReb]

Resisting the cops was the hardest work fat boy had done in years....it killed him.

Work is hazardous to a DUmmies health.

[Eupher]

The 'Shouldn't have been illegal in the first place or it wouldn't have happened,' like Hannity was bellowing today, is really a non sequitur.  If it was their normal level of force for nonviolent offenders, is that how they handle people who want to argue about parking tickets or other petty offenses with the State as the only victim?  The guy was committing a revenue violation, a pretty trivial one at that, the level of force was pretty disproportionate to the situation and I can see how the people already pissed at the cops would be sent into orbit on this one.

Of course in the People's Democratic Paradise of New York, there is nothing more serious than a revenue violation, since it threatens the Great Mother State.

From what I read, Garner wasn't necessarily violent, but he was agitated and flailing his arms around. With him topping out at about 400 lbs., I can imagine the cop was simply ensuring that this big boy wasn't going to get more stupid than he already was. A multiple offender, this is a guy who had been confronted by the cops on a number of occasions, was well-known, and for one without any more information than that, I'm willing to give the cop the benefit of the doubt about the type of hold he put on Garner to make sure he didn't do something stupid.

[Dori]

From what I read, Garner wasn't necessarily violent, but he was agitated and flailing his arms around. With him topping out at about 400 lbs., I can imagine the cop was simply ensuring that this big boy wasn't going to get more stupid than he already was. A multiple offender, this is a guy who had been confronted by the cops on a number of occasions, was well-known, and for one without any more information than that, I'm willing to give the cop the benefit of the doubt about the type of hold he put on Garner to make sure he didn't do something stupid.

Last night on the news they said he's been arrested 33 times. 

[DLR Pyro]

From what I read, Garner wasn't necessarily violent, but he was agitated and flailing his arms around. With him topping out at about 400 lbs., I can imagine the cop was simply ensuring that this big boy wasn't going to get more stupid than he already was. A multiple offender, this is a guy who had been confronted by the cops on a number of occasions, was well-known, and for one without any more information than that, I'm willing to give the cop the benefit of the doubt about the type of hold he put on Garner to make sure he didn't do something stupid.

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at 0:34 in this video when the cops move in to handcuff garner he continues to flail his arms around rather than submit to Law Enforcement.  Given his size and agitated state I can't fault the COPS for taking an aggressive stance to bring him under control before the situation got out of hand. They have a right to go home at the end of their shift.  They were under orders of the mayor to crack down on people selling black (racist) market cigarettes on the street and garner was in violation of the city ordinance prohibiting sales of the cigarettes.  Garner also failed to respond to the Police in a calm and reasonable manner which is what caused this to escalate. It's a shame he died but I see him as being 95% responsible for this getting to the level it did. 

 From what I heard on the radio this morning, he died of a heart attack, not of asphyxiation.  I also heard the video was shot by garner's friend who didn't seem too concerned about garner's claims of not being able to breathe since he kept on rolling film.

[Eupher]

^^The problem was, the coroner ruled Garner's death as a homicide, which fueled the fire.

[thundley4]

^^The problem was, the coroner ruled Garner's death as a homicide, which fueled the fire.

Blame that on the ignorance of the public and the media. Homicide means that another person was involved in the death. Murder is when someone is killed illegally.

[Eupher]

Blame that on the ignorance of the public and the media. Homicide means that another person was involved in the death. Murder is when someone is killed illegally.

Yep, but to those reprobates, all it takes is for somebody else (and it would have to be a white cop) to be even remotely involved in the death, and off they go.

[MrsSmith]

We could solve these problems by forcing the police to do an EKG on resisting people before they try violent arrest procedures. 

 


From what I understand, there was a black sergeant overseeing the entire arrest, and she did not order the officer to release him, and testified that he did not seem to be in danger.  Common sense would immediately lead to the conclusion that "RACE" had nothing to do with the arrest.  Of course, common sense isn't...

[ROCKURWORLD]

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This could have all been avoided without nanny-state regulations.  Liberals placed heavy taxes on cigarettes in New York, which causes people to purchase them out of state, and attempt to sell them on the streets back home in NY.  Conclusion: Dummies killed Garner.

Yes... and regulations that your liberal gods helped enact. 

Save us Eric Holder!!

You're an idiot.

In an honesty, I thought the chokehold was excessive, even with Garner resisting arrest.

Unless the video was edited the chokehold was just used to get him on the ground. Control the head you can control the body. Also the hold might have been on him for 10 secs and that was it.

[JohnnyReb]

Wonder who edited out the part where Garner told the cops, "Hey, lets take a break and get something to eat."

[DumbAss Tanker]

Unless the video was edited the chokehold was just used to get him on the ground. Control the head you can control the body.

That approach works a whole lot better, and it's a lot safer, if you have a guy do it who's not a foot too short to keep his feet on the ground at the same time he's applying the hold.  You're not really controlling jack if there's no leverage, it's just the force of the smaller guy's body weight hanging around the bigger guy's neck.  You're just choking the guy out, and that just has 'way too much potential to go wrong in a big way. 

Beyond any issues with cops, and addressing human male stupidity in general, for some dumb-as-a-box-of-doorknobs reason, the whole 'Choking out' deal in a physical confrontation has become a 'Thing' with dudes in recent years.  Maybe it's the influence of MMA, and God know those guys are a bunch of philosophical rocket scientists every guy ought to be taking his lead from, but while it usually works as intended, there are a ton of times it ends very badly, in my professional life I recall reviewing several totally unnecessary death cases where people who thought they knew what they were doing turned out to be wrong.