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Up Next: A Very Proglodyte Thanksgiving
« on: November 24, 2014, 12:19:40 PM »
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ZombieHorde (28,115 posts)

Is Thanksgiving a racist holiday?
 
Technically speaking, people are racist, as opposed to a calendar day, but you know what I mean, right? 

Poll runs 90+ % saying it is not racist.

But then the < 10% suffer from severe verbal incontinence.


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Scootaloo (14,687 posts)

5. The holiday itself is not

Some of the bullshit mythology around it is, though.

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gordianot (8,035 posts)

8. What we know as Thanksgiving was a party with binge eating.

Pillgrins and Native Americans alike put away food they should have preserved,

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Douglas Carpenter (19,023 posts)

12. Thanksgiving is an Americanized/Christianized - mythologized version of a harvest festival

Besides, I really like turkey with stuffing along with cranberry sauce and mashed potatoes and gravy and candied yams. Life would hardly be worth living without that. Some roasted brussels sprouts would be nice too.

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el_bryanto (8,756 posts)

19. Sort of.

In that it celebrates the coming together of the Native American and Colonial settlers (yes the reality is different than the myth) - and we know that that relationship wasn't so great in the long run. One can look at it like the celebration of Native Americans submitting to the White Colonists, which would be racist.

Of course it could also be seen as a dream that didn't pan out - a dream where the settlers and the Native Americans worked together rather than having the Native Americans be trampled underfoot.

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I can see why their relatives try to dissuade them from sitting down with the rest of the family on holidays.

Who wants to spend an otherwise enjoyable occasion sitting with a bunch of assholes whose only claim to sanctimony is their profound and glaring willful stupidity?
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Re: Up Next: A Very Proglodyte Thanksgiving
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2014, 12:28:14 PM »
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rather than having the Native Americans be trampled underfoot.

I don't mean to lessen any of the atrocities comitted against American Indians...but this culeless idiot has no idea just how the different Indian Nations tried to trample each otehr underfoot.
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Re: Up Next: A Very Proglodyte Thanksgiving
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2014, 12:35:40 PM »
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gordianot (8,035 posts)

8. What we know as Thanksgiving was a party with binge eating.

Pillgrins and Native Americans alike put away food they should have preserved,

What you know of the first Thanksgiving wouldn't fill a small thimble.


They tried your community sharing plan and it failed...miserably.  So they had to come up with another way to survive.

Idiot.  :whatever:
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Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives.

He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the marketplace.

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What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation!

But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years – trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it – the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently.

What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson. If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the future.

"'The experience that we had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing – as if they were wiser than God,' Bradford wrote. 'For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense...that was thought injustice.'

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Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result?

'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.'

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So in essence there was, thanks to the Indians, because they taught us how to skin beavers and how to plant corn when we arrived, but the real Thanksgiving was thanking the Lord for guidance and plenty -- and once they reformed their system and got rid of the communal bottle and started what was essentially free market capitalism, they produced more than they could possibly consume, and they invited the Indians to dinner, and voila, we got Thanksgiving, and that's what it was: inviting the Indians to dinner and giving thanks for all the plenty is the true story of Thanksgiving.



The reason they had the celebration with the INdians you dolt...was because they had more food than they needed.  And so to show their grattitude to the Indians for showing them how to survive...they had a feast.
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Re: Up Next: A Very Proglodyte Thanksgiving
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2014, 01:05:48 PM »
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12. Thanksgiving is an Americanized/Christianized - mythologized version of a harvest festival

^???? 


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thanksgiving · plural noun: thanksgivings

1.the expression of gratitude, especially to God:


Edward Winslow’s account: 1621

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.....by the goodness of God, we are so far from want, that we often wish you partakers of our plenty.”

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Re: Up Next: A Very Proglodyte Thanksgiving
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2014, 01:16:59 PM »
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Is Thanksgiving a racist holiday?
 
Technically speaking, people are racist, as opposed to a calendar day, but you know what I mean, right?

no.  No I don't
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