The FBI violence stats for 2013 are out.

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benEzra (11,503 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172155609

The FBI violence stats for 2013 are out.
 

 

And it's not just rifle homicide that's down over the years; *all* homicide is down over the last decade, even those by fists and feet. Good news all around.

or so you would think.

jimmy the one (1,389 posts)
3. a real contributing reason for drop in crime cross posted from another thread: Crime is down -- and so is gun ownership
I will likely not be able to reply to any replies for several weeks or longer.

kioa (26 posts)
5. Your post shows that gun ownership has increased during the exact same timeframe the OP shows that murders decreased.

Thanks for the assist, Jimmy.

 

Lurks Often (3,158 posts)
4. How odd, crime is down while firearms sales reached all time highs but I keep being told that more guns = more crime.

Seems some that post here ignore unpleasant facts that don't fit their agenda. Such dishonesty!

jimmy the one (1,389 posts)
6. such dishonesty

lurks often: How odd, crime is down while firearms sales reached all time highs

Firearms sales are high, but moreso to existing gun owners. The 'guns per capita' stat (or slt, maybe for adults, dunno) has increased from approx. 5 up to approx. 6.5 - a ~33% increase, which means you aren't getting new gun owners at a rate to keep up gun ownership rates, that is what has fallen.

but I keep being told that more guns = more crime.

More gun ownership rates appears to hold true with more crime & guncrime rates.

Seems some that post here ignore unpleasant facts that don't fit their agenda. Such dishonesty

Indeed. You are well aware of what I've just posted, it's been bandied about several times the last couple months.
When you just repeat the same false allegations --as you say, such dishonesty.

Wait... what?  If you have more guns out in the general public it doesn't mean that gun ownership is increased? It has gone down? Because there are more guns? This is that new math the leftists are always on about.

300 million people in the US wiki states that in 2007 there were approx. 90 guns for every 100 persons. Thats about 270 million guns in the US.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

[DumbAss Tanker]

The 'guns per capita' stat (or slt, maybe for adults, dunno) has increased from approx. 5 up to approx. 6.5 - a ~33% increase, which means you aren't getting new gun owners at a rate to keep up gun ownership rates, that is what has fallen.

A wholly-artificial stat, since the only basis the FBI has for concocting it is documented transactions by individuals going through their official background check.  If that were the only legal way to get a firearm and everyone lived singly with no households, then it might have some validity.  It's a bullshit number, nobody actually knows what the real figure is or what the delta, if any, might be.

[Rebel]

I f'n dare them to post the same FBI statistics broken down by race.

[JohnnyReb]

I f'n dare them to post the same FBI statistics broken down by race.

uh....I'd say one does it legally and the other on the black market.

[Donpeyote]

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