Primitives discuss Gruber - claim they knew he was bad all along.

[DefiantSix]

[98ZJUSMC]

Actually, a few years ago, think when Bush was still president, one of these idiots actually said when dems lie they did it for the greater good.

Still, how shallow do you have to be to be more concerned about how the lies make you look that the substance of the lie?

Cindie

I've seen that.  Made my eyes big then and still does.

[txradioguy]

It didn't actually fool the American people, the law did not have majority public support, just majority Democrat Congressional support.  The stupidity being exploited was more that of Democrats in Congress than that of the American people.

And that is the reason the DUmmies are now trying to distance themselves from Prof. Gruber.

[obumazombie]

The owebumaManiaMedia is slowly being shamed into reporting the story...


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2014/11/13/cbs-finally-covers-gruber-revealing-obamacare-deception

[J P Sousa]

Pelosi said she never heard of Gruber. 

[miskie]

Today it was revealed there are at least 2 more tapes where Gruber admits to lying. This is just at the point where libs were trying to recork the pandora pandemonium Gruber unleashed. He was trying to lie to cover up his gaffe of telling the truth. He claims his inadvertent comments were "off the cuff", and  misspeaking. Well, he offed the cuff and misspoke at least 3 times. Not every lib is as good a liar as Clinnochio.

I can hear the sound of dozens of hard disks simultaneously failing from here...

[Dori]

I can hear the sound of dozens of hard disks simultaneously failing from here...

I just saw another tape where he said that they got the Feds to pay the bill for Romney-care. 

"The dirty little secret in Massachusetts is the Feds pay for our bill. In Massachusetts we had a very powerful Senator named Ted Kennedy.  Ted Kennedy basically figured out how to rip off the Feds for about 400 million dollars a year."

[BannedFromDU]

I just saw another tape where he said that they got the Feds to pay the bill for Romney-care. 

"The dirty little secret in Massachusetts is the Feds pay for our bill. In Massachusetts we had a very powerful Senator named Ted Kennedy.  Ted Kennedy basically figured out how to rip off the Feds for about 400 million dollars a year."

     As a former academic, this surprises me not at all, and in fact I would bet that Gruber and his Cambridge assmonkeys are having a good long laugh as I type these words. Economists, especially academics that are juiced in to the policy world, are smug, arrogant, entitled, argumentative bastards who are utterly brilliant and completely moronic all at the same time. Knowing that world well, I bet that Gruber thought NOTHING of what he said, and is STUNNED that it's coming back to haunt him. But in the halls of MIT, he's still a god, because he got to kiss the ring of 0loser. You'd be amazed how star-struck these otherwise very bright people can be.

[Linda]

SMOKING GUN VIDEO: Jonathan Gruber Admitted Obama Was In the Room When Cadillac Tax Lie Was Created. UPDATE: WHITE HOUSE LOGS CONFIRM!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/smoking-gun-video-jonathan-gruber-admitted-obama-was-in-the-room-when-cadillac-tax-lie-was-created/

On June 13, 2012, Obamacare Jonathan Gruber was interviewed by Frontline.  He told them that the Cadillac tax issue was addressed in 2009.  Obama knew it was going to be a problem, and they all agreed to lie about it.


What Jonathan Gruber is taking heat for right now, was planned out specifically with Barack Obama. It wasn’t just him. It was all of them, with Obama in the room taking part.

Obama was at the center of this deception. He specifically ordered Gruber and other “healthcare experts” to find ways to game the CBO numbers so that the bill would pass. In his gleeful showboating over passing the bill, Jonathan Gruber has clearly identified President Obama as the source of the lie behind the Cadillac Tax. The story is no longer about Jonathan Gruber. It’s about the deliberate lie the President used to pass this monstrosity of a healthcare law.

[Big Dog]

SMOKING GUN VIDEO: Jonathan Gruber Admitted Obama Was In the Room When Cadillac Tax Lie Was Created. UPDATE: WHITE HOUSE LOGS CONFIRM!

Oops.

 

[obumazombie]

^Yikes !

[BannedFromDU]

^Yikes !

     I think Gruber better turn real gay real fast to have something to divert attention. This is trainwreck stuff.

[GOBUCKS]

I think Gruber better turn real gay real fast to have something to divert attention. This is trainwreck stuff.

Wishful thinking.

The media, with the assistance of a handful of attention whores in Congress, will turn this into a minor partisan squabble, regardless of its significance.

It will be covered nightly on Fox, but no one else will mention it.

It'll be uncomfortable for Gruber, but he will end up as nothing more than Benghazi 2.0.

Hope I'm wrong. Maybe being in the majority will change things.

[CollectivismMustDie]

     I think Gruber better turn real gay real fast to have something to divert attention. This is trainwreck stuff.

I'd bet dollars to dust particles, that he'd take a pump in the keester and/or swallow a sword, if he thought it would help dear leader.

Hell, alot if not most of the dummies, would do it for free.


CMD

[BannedFromDU]

take a pump in the keester and/or swallow a sword, if he thought it would help dear leader.

     Are you kidding? You have to do that just to get into the White House.

[obumazombie]

There's a 5th tape out.

It features Gruber voicing all the conservative reactions and predictions during town hall meetings leading up to owebumacare.

As he listed every objection (they all turned out to be true) he laughed and encouraged the lib audience to laugh at the poor slobs they were getting ready
to stick it to.

At one point in his life Gruber probably wanted to "stick it to the man". Now he enjoys being the man and sticking it to as many as he can.

4 states paid him consulting fees totaling 1.6 million dollars. Every single penny of that should be taken back.

At the very least every penny of income tax should be paid, and if not the IRS should pursue him for anything he owes.

[Texacon]

There's a 5th tape out.

It features Gruber voicing all the conservative reactions and predictions during town hall meetings leading up to owebumacare.



At the very least every penny of income tax should be paid, and if not the IRS should pursue him for anything he owes.

Any link to the new video?  I would really like to see it.

Yup, the IRS should pursue him VIGOROUSLY!

KC

[HawkHogan]

Any link to the new video?  I would really like to see it.

Yup, the IRS should pursue him VIGOROUSLY!

KC

They are too busy targeting us for hating big government.

[Dori]

Any link to the new video?  I would really like to see it.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/14/the-hits-keep-coming-gruber-video-6/

[Texacon]

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/14/the-hits-keep-coming-gruber-video-6/

Thanks Dori.  I didn't see the comments mentioned above in that video though.  Did I just miss them?

KC

[Zathras]

Now what we need to see is a thread containing the posts of the DUmbasses that swallowed the lies hook, line and sinker. It would be great entertainment.

[Karin]

Well, we've said for years that "DUmmies lie.  All the time they lie."  This is just natural for all Democrats.  I hope this has done their party serious harm and that people start to think "Democrats will lie to you, and they hate you and think you're stupid.  They will con you with elaborate hoaxes, that will end up doing you serious harm." 

[Karin]

Another thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025818745

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:54 PM

New Deal Dave (32 posts)

Jonathan Gruber
   
We really need to get a handle on this Gruber shit before it kills ACA. Even my students are talking about this guy. The right-wingers are all over it and throwing it back in the faces of the Progressives and others I work with. Frankly, I am at a loss for words on how to explain this numbskull and his statements. I am caught completely off guard by this crap.

Gruber's shit is going to bleed out and cover us all if we don't watch out.

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 07:05 PM

New Deal Dave (32 posts)

4. What happened to me or Gruber?
 
I'm a college instructor. I teach history and government. I use current events in both as a link and an illustration. Usually, I start off my class with a topic, but since the Gruber mess broke it's my students, particularly the trouble-making little conservative shits, who have hijacked the classes with Gruber as their main focus. They use his statements and his past association with Obama and ACA as their springboard. I simply can't deny what the fool has said because he's on tape saying it -- calling Americans stupid and saying that ACA is the beneficiary of "a lack of transparency."

My right-wing colleagues are tearing the Progressive caucus up with this shit to the point I'm getting a bit unnerved about it.

Gruber's comments are starting to get some play outside the FauxNews hate realm and that's where the danger is.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 07:15 PM

New Deal Dave (32 posts)

9. I'm getting a bad vibe from this
 
 Some of the responses here indicate a slack attitude about this development.
 

Response to New Deal Dave (Original post)

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 10:04 PM

Lee-Lee (1,606 posts)

38. I fear his crap has set any chance of single payer back a decade or more
 
For many years now any time we try for real reform his comments will be the back of the mind of many Americans making them less likely to trust what we are trying to do- and at the forefront of all reactionist opposition making sure it stays in the back of people's minds.

If you want to see something that will back people up, make them stubborn and make them turn on you even to the point of self harm just call them stupid and act like you are superior. 

Response to New Deal Dave (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:27 AM

Star Member simak (40 posts)

55. Concern trolls notwithstanding,

future legislation will come out better when it's been vetted by ad campaigns featuring Jonathan Gruber telling voters how stupid they are and Nancy Pelosi daring them to pass something in order to find out what's inside it.

Oh yeah, and Barack Obama promising you can keep your plan. 

Odin thinks it's all made up. 

Response to New Deal Dave (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:45 AM

Odin2005 (48,880 posts)

56. This has all the hallmarks of a MSM manufactured controversy.
 
They are pushing the "liberal elitists" RW lie.

 

Response to Odin2005 (Reply #56)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:49 PM

Star Member Dreamer Tatum (9,261 posts)

60. Except for, oh, Gruber ridiculing you and me and Congress and the CBO on video.
 
But by all means - wish it into the cornfield.

Response to New Deal Dave (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:54 PM
And Kentuck thinks he's a GOP shill! 

kentuck (72,312 posts)

61. undercover agent for the GOP Senate?
 
Too stupid to not be intentional.

[obumazombie]

Any link to the new video?  I would really like to see it.

Yup, the IRS should pursue him VIGOROUSLY!

KC

Video embedded in HotAir link...


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/14/gruber-video-5-mocking-critics-as-adolescent-children/

[chitownchica]

Gruber-American DUmmies realize he was describing them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025814238

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:59 PM
Lee-Lee (1,602 posts)

The most bothering thing about this Gruber mess to me

Is that when I sit and think about it- his comments about having to be dishonest and count on the "stupidity of the American voter" and "the lack of economic understanding of the American voter" and “the American people are too stupid to understand the difference”......

He is talking about US.

The people that supported and rooted for the ACA.

Democrats.

Because we were the only ones supporting it and the only support that was really needed. They only really tried to sell it to us.

The rethugs and teabaggers certainly didn't support it because of anything he did or how they wrote the bill and hid/labeled stuff.

So logically statements about them being able to pass it because people were tricked into supporting it because they are stupid can only apply to those who did, in fact support it. Certainly we can say it didn't apply to all who backed it, not at all. But he wasn't talking about all the teabaggers who jumped on board because of their stupidity, because there were not any. So he has to be saying that a certain percentage of ACA backers only did so because they were not smart enough to know what was in the bill.

That is what he thinks of us, the people who backed the bill and helped get it passed.

Maybe I am taking it the wrong way, but I can't see any way to ascribe his remarks to anyone but the people he figures that he duped into backing the bill because they were stupid. That is us, the people whose side he is supposedly on.

**** you Jonathan Gruber.