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Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:21 AM
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Is the Senate "Nuclear Option" rejected by Dems off the table for the Repubs in 2014 now?

Perhaps fearing that the so-called Nuclear Option (the tacit policy that requires a 60-vote majority to pass/advance legislation) the Dems were mulling recently could be used in the future (the future is here, baby!) against them, they rejected pulling the trigger on that strategy. Now that the Republicans have the Senate in their control, would they be so reticent?

I think not. I look for them, led by Tea Party thug Ted Cruz, to lead the charge at the first rattle out of the box to adopt this measure as a means to not only rubber stamp Congress's bills, but to open the door for an easy impeachment of the President, which they've been jonesing for since Obama was elected/re-elected.

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Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:25 AM
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1. Reid's worst mistake in my opinion

I don't even think he used it as much as he should have anyway so why bother. Why should the Republicans not use it? Thankfully they are not that bright and will most likely go back to the original rules. Reid!!!!!!!!

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Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:31 AM
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9. And it might get us some middle of the road judges to

Or no judges at all. The Republicans can also change the rules to make legislation 50 votes if they want to. I don't think they will unless the President does the EO.

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Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:44 AM
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12. And that's where the president will wield his almighty veto pen. eom

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Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:47 AM
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13. As long as the Democratic Party stays united

We shall see. Regardless a long two years ahead.

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Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:32 AM
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10. Well now they have the control

Wonderful! Hope it was worth it.

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Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:43 AM
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11. Yep. And now it's their turn. But I don't regret, not for a single second, that Reid had

used the constitutional option in order to get President Obama's judges and appointees through an unprecedented obstructionist Senate. Can you imagine where President Obama's appointees would be had Reid not use the c.o. now that the GOP has taken over the Senate and can use the same c.o. themselves?

Fact remains, although the Senate is now under GOP control, they won't be able to do much. Why? They don't have the WH and they don't have 2/3rd majorities in order to override any presidential vetoes - and President Obama will dust off that veto pen and use it if they try and overreach.

So the only thing we will now see are idiotic bills for political gain (red meat bills) passing the House and the Senate. They can't even do a successful impeachment proceeding against the president because, again, they still need 2/3rd of the Senate to remove him from office, and impeaching him in the House will only infuriate the electorate come 2016 when Democrats are favored to win the WH, win back the Senate, and maybe even the House.

I'm certain Hillary Clinton is hoping and praying that the House try to impeach President Obama because that would be a certain win for her in 2016.

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Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:09 AM
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8. Impeachment

Thanks, but I'm not new. But it's been awhile since I checked back in.

Their intent has been to set up a permanent blockade around everything Obama and the Dems have tried for the past six years. With Cruz leading the charge, why would anyone now reasonably believe that they'd change their strategy now? McConnell (who I believe will be challenged as the Senate leader now), along with the rabid dog, Ted Cruz, have promised to block any effort led by Obama and the Dems on any legislation. If they're for it, these asshats are against it. They've threatened to impeach Obama from the jump.

I read the comment from a Holocaust survivor, a historian as it turned out, about Hitler's stated agenda, which I won't belabor here. But this man said that when people plainly tell you what they're going to do, the surest bet for the listener is to believe what they say, because the damn well mean it. Their stated agenda are not idle threats. They mean to do exactly what they've plainly, nakedly told you they're going to do. The current republicans do exactly what they say they're going to do if they're given the chance. And **** me, but a vast majority of voters Just gave them a green light to do it.


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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 02:14:03 PM »
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12. And that's where the president will wield his almighty veto pen. eom

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13. As long as the Democratic Party stays united

We shall see. Regardless a long two years ahead.

There were many bills sent from the house to the senate that passed the house with bi-partisan support. However, Harry "the pederast" Reid would not bring them up for a vote, because he knew they would pass the senate and would put Obama in a position of having to make a decision.

Many of those bills were not popular with the socialist/communist/environut wing of the Dhimmicrat Party, so Reid shitcanned them to protect Obama.

Reid was the real obstruction in the Senate.

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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2014, 06:04:26 PM »
A little off topic but I think the dims have painted themselves into a corner with their bogus 5 something percent unemployment numbers. Which, BTW, the DUmmies are still talking up. Unless the labor dept starts counting long term unememployed, the rate cannot really go up by a large amount. This deprives the loons the ability argue for big jobs programs without having to admit that the economy still sucks big time.
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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2014, 06:31:55 PM »
A little off topic but I think the dims have painted themselves into a corner with their bogus 5 something percent unemployment numbers. Which, BTW, the DUmmies are still talking up. Unless the labor dept starts counting long term unememployed, the rate cannot really go up by a large amount. This deprives the loons the ability argue for big jobs programs without having to admit that the economy still sucks big time.


     Quite correct. When we rule Congress, they can't possibly say, "WHERE ARE JOBS, REPUBLICANS?" They've been woofing on unemployment numbers for months now. So suck it, DUmmies.
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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2014, 07:04:18 PM »
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A little off topic but I think the dims have painted themselves into a corner with their bogus 5 something percent unemployment numbers. Which, BTW, the DUmmies are still talking up. Unless the labor dept starts counting long term unememployed, the rate cannot really go up by a large amount. This deprives the loons the ability argue for big jobs programs without having to admit that the economy still sucks big time.



     Quite correct. When we rule Congress, they can't possibly say, "WHERE ARE JOBS, REPUBLICANS?" They've been woofing on unemployment numbers for months now. So suck it, DUmmies.

If and it's a big IF, Obama wanted to help the DhimmicRats in 2016, he could allow the UE numbers to inch up slowly over the next two years.  He could still claim his policies were working until the republicans took over.

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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2014, 07:48:16 PM »
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10. Well now they have the control

Wonderful! Hope it was worth it.

We told you dummies. Told you and told you. Would you listen? Nope. You were all ecstatic over giving the GOP in the senate the shaft. Now that it is your turn you are wailing and gnashing your teeth.

You started it, you wanted it, you got it, and now it is your turn to embrace the suck! 

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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2014, 10:01:54 PM »
Not only the nuclear option, but the misuse of reconciliation.
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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2014, 10:15:03 PM »
This deprives the loons the ability argue for big jobs programs without having to admit that the economy still sucks big time.

Good point.  It also shoots holes in the "obstructionist Congress as detrimental" argument.  If the economy is doing so well, by the numbers  :rotf: and in spite of the "obstructionist Congress"   ::) ::), of what use are jobs bills or any legislation of any kind.  To the honest mind, it is the free market doing what it always does and correct on it's own, IF LEFT ALONE.

Somewhat ironically, Obumbles the blamemaster could have sat on his hands and claimed credit, but they had to destroy the healthcare system.   :whatever:
              

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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2014, 10:44:29 PM »
Not only the nuclear option, but the misuse of reconciliation.

If McConnell has any balls, his first order of business will be a speech in the well of the Senate. He will say only one sentence.

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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2014, 11:01:49 PM »
If McConnell has any balls, his first order of business will be a speech in the well of the Senate. He will say only one sentence.

"Payback is a bitch."

I fear he has NONE.  :whatever:
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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2014, 11:58:08 PM »
I fear he has NONE.  :whatever:
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Save your fears. Rest assured that Bitch McConnell will never engage in any activity - contrary to the will and desires of his Democrat maters, anyway - for which the presence of testicles would be necessary.
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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2014, 12:05:17 AM »
Save your fears. Rest assured that Bitch McConnell will never engage in any activity - contrary to the will and desires of his Democrat maters, anyway - for which the presence of testicles would be necessary.
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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2014, 07:24:29 AM »
I'm all for a nuclear option in Washington D.C........as long as the wind is blowing eastward....fallout and all that, you know.
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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2014, 09:32:19 AM »
I'm all for a nuclear option in Washington D.C........as long as the wind is blowing eastward....fallout and all that, you know.

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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2014, 09:44:04 AM »
     Just invite LynneSin to town and offer her free bottomless chili with extra beans and lava cake. I believe we used to call that a neutron bomb.

it sounds as if it should be classified as a 'chemical weapon.' :runaway:
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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2014, 10:07:35 AM »
     Just invite LynneSin to town and offer her free bottomless chili with extra beans and lava cake. I believe we used to call that a neutron bomb.
Would you consider that a WMD or a "green" weapon?
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Re: primitives finally get around to talking about the "nuclear option"
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2014, 01:10:30 PM »
Would you consider that a WMD or a "green" weapon?

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