demosincebirth (9,438 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014937599
Mob lynches Christian couple Pakistan
And then burns the bodies in a brick kiln. Their crime? Someone thought they burned a few pages of the Koran.
Archae (31,564 posts)
3. This is why I get angry at those who call Islam "The Religion Of Peace." No religion is the "Religion Of Peace."
Even Buddhists at times are vicious and bloodthirsty.
Its those ****ing Buddhists everytime....
Hortensis (154 posts)
37. Islam has yet to undergo the loosening of religion's chokehold on society and government that
Europe saw with the Enlightenment. It seems to be happening now -- sort of -- all at once -- with increased secularization, urbanization, industrialization, education of women, the medical revolution, information revolution, second machine age, and all they mean.
People still cooking over fires and using camel urine as a disinfectant have urban cousins lounging around swimming pools and getting angioplasties. If our own conservatives won't face the changes we face here and our religious right sure they mean Armageddon must be coming any day, should we wonder at the current turmoil in Muslim nations?
Or think it is anything but a natural and inevitable phase considering the situation?
Oh... that's not going to go over well.
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
76. Absurdly ahistorical and betrays a fundamental ignorance of the comparative tolerance of Islam vs. Christianity over the past millennium. The very classical antiquity celebrated by our precious philosophes in the Englightenment and, before that, the Renaissance, was preserved for us in the great Islamic libraries while Europe underwent the Dark Ages.
But don't let me get in the way of your recitation of fashionable anti-Muslim propaganda.
However, those same libraries are where now? Yeah, don't tell me the Cusaders burnt them all...
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
113. Um, before we criticize 'them' for 'not having an Englightenment,' we could start by putting Bush and Cheney on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Since 'atrocity' is our new measure. Or we can persist in illustrating La Rochefoucauld's maxim that 'hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue.'
WTF? This ****stick is just plain stupid.
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
75. Sigh. You should re-read your history of the Crusades, my friend. Fact is, Christians (Copts and other denominations) and Jews lived peacefully side-by-side with Muslims for many hundreds of years. When Christians conquered Jerusalem during the Crusades, the blood of the 'infidel' ran knee-deep through the streets. My screen name's namesake in history has a very bad rep for that sort of thing. His Highness was a Christian
And yet, who is causing all the hate and discontent now? Is it the French?
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
78. Well, the topic at hand was 'forced conversions' not 'persecutions'. Even with that much-broader standard, though, Christianity fails the tolerance test over the past millennium and Islam passes it with flying colors (imho). The poster to whom I was responding was basing his ahistorical and jejeune view on the last 50-75 years or so.
hrmjustin (48,540 posts)
79. That is not true. Islam persecuted Christians in the past 1,000 years as well. We should remember that they converted many at the end of a knife just like the Christians did. Yes we have horrific things in our 2000 years of history but there is just as many horrors in those 1400 years as well. And yes there were forced conversions on both sides.
Moorish Spain comes to mind.
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
81. OK, so we're now into the realm of 'tu quoque' false equivalences. It's been awhile since I studied the histories of the two faiths, so I don't have relevant nor up-to-date bibliographic references at hand. I assure you, though, if you dig in a little deeper, you will find that Christianity's record is far, far worse than Islam's, whether the subject be 'forced conversion' or 'persecution.' Something to consider: what faith did the Conquistadors represent in the New World? Or are we excluding indigenous peoples of the Americas from our moral calculus?
If you want moral equivalences lets look at the spread of islam across the middle east through Persia and into North Africa. All done peacfully? Um... no.
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
83. One atrocity is an atrocity too many. However, the post to which I originally responded took a very ahistorical view that Islam had the 'most' forced conversions, thereby making it a matter of comparison and not of absolutes. On a comparative scale, Christianity at its best scores far, far worse than Islam on a bad day.
Just unbelievable. I truely believe that this retard is a islamic shill.
Psephos (7,662 posts)
89. really?? you're talking about 900 years ago??
50 generations have risen up and gone back into the dirt since then.
Why don't we talk about what cro-magnons did to neanderthals, or something similarly instructive?
I'm dying for your opinions about what real, living people are doing T O D A Y.
Well, that's just it, isn't it. It doesn't work if you talk about today. ONLY if you bring up all the bad things done by the west to justify all the attrocities done by islam today is there any way to link the too.
Even then, it's like telling your Mom, "Well, Billy did it too!"
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
115. How about what happened from 2001-08 or is that also too far back? - nt
Here we go...
leftynyc (13,452 posts)
117. Were people being killed in the name of Jesus Christ? Somebody ought to have told this woman:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/colin-powell-invokes-imag_n_135977.html
You should probably inform all the Jews, Athiests, Druze, Pagans and all the other military personnel that are not Christian.
We went out of our way to say WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH ISLAM. **** it. We are. We just don't want to accept it.
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
120. I suppose 2001-08 was too far back for a crowd that despises history. But who could forget the inestimable General Jerry Boykin?
Boykin, a born-again Christian has gained attention for his Christian views over the years and some of his public remarks which cast the War on Terror in religious terms have generated considerable controversy. A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2004 that he had violated regulations by failing to explain these remarks were not made in an official capacity.
In an October 15, 2003 speech to a community church in Oregon, Boykin was recorded stating that Islamic extremists hate the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christians. ... And the enemy is a guy named Satan." William Arkin, military analyst for NBC News, was the source of the video and audiotapes of Boykin. The following day the Los Angeles Times ran a piece on Boykin. Among several quotes, the article revealed Boykin giving a speech about hunting down Osman Atto in Mogadishu: "He went on CNN and he laughed at us, and he said, 'They'll never get me because Allah will protect me. Allah will protect me.' Well, you know what? I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol." Boykin later clarified this statement, saying that he was implying that Atto's true "god" was money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Boykin#Religious.2FPolitical_views_and_comments
Boykin currently heads up the Family Research Council, IIRC.
And how many divisions does Boykin have?
leftynyc (13,452 posts)
125. This is getting pathetic. So one general, who has ZERO power in our government, is an asshole and that excuses what happened here. Let me know when he gets a law passed that allows the death penalty for blasphemy. Until then all you're doing is proving Bill Maher right.
pettypace (728 posts)
8. Another Pakistan bash thread
I love how posters on this site selectively pluck headlines in order to convey a narrative to the readers. These type of stories can be gleaned in a number of nations, including some of the western countries, but Pakistan or Iran or Egypt magically garners the most posts. I mean the US of all places has given the world Jeffrey Dahmer, Melendez brothers, Susan Smith, Columbine and countless others.
Sue me if I'm being too PC but ya'll need to relax with the generalizing on LBN.
Well... the next time a mob lynches two people who burn the bible in Missouri (and not in Ferguson) I am sure we will post about it.
SkyDaddy7 (5,044 posts)
13. Pakistan Bash thread?
A mob attacked two people in Pakistan beat them to death for allegedly tearing up paper...Had that happened in America it would be front page world news & it would be discussed far more than it is being discussed here.
"Selectively pluck headlines" You have to be kidding
LanternWaste (19,753 posts)
20. We steal and kill over printed paper every day in America...
"Had that happened in America it would be front page world news..."
We steal and kill over printed paper every day in America... our sacred cow printed on paper is cash. Yet in the end, six of one, half a dozen of the other.
SkyDaddy7 (5,044 posts)
24. WTF? Makes no sense at all...
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You are just one of those people who will go to whatever lengths needed even if that means sounding utterly ridiculous as to not say anything critical of Islam. That is really SAD.
BTW-Every country on Earth has currency printed on paper & people at times kill for it...try THINKING before come up with these ridiculous ideas all centered around never ever being critical of one certain ideology. Seriously, I bet you consider yourself a "Liberal", huh? Whatever.
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
80. A little more than 50 years ago, 4 little black girls were bombed to death by white Christians. But it's Muslim-bashing time. Gawd, it's revolting.
leftyladyfrommo (7,842 posts)
19. I wonder if Bush ever thinks about all the Christians deaths his wars have caused. Here he was this super Christian guy and made such a big deal out of it. The entire Christian population of the whole middle east has been decimated because of his wars. I wonder if he even cares?
He seems to care a whole lot more than Barry does.
Sunlei (7,092 posts)
44. 'they've' hated Christians and Jews for centuries in that part of the world
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
85. Sigh. No they haven't unless by 'centuries' you mean the last 100 years, since the Brits and French stuck their noses in.
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
86. I'd like to ratify your sentiments and add the most ahistorical and absurd anti-Islamic bullshit. It's really incredible and quite unbecoming a supposedly progressive and tolerant site.
Rhinodawg (1,290 posts)
95. Pul-eeze
Progressive doesn't mean burying your head in the sand.
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
103. The Christian Bush killed way more innocent Muslims than the Christians ISIS or Islamic fundamentalists in general could kill in their wildest dreams.
So spare us the cant.
I wonder how many people KC here thinks W has killed?
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
108. No atrocity should get a pass [unless it is done by islamists] . But tell me again why Bush and Cheney and other highly-placed members of that Junta are walking around freely and then we can discuss atrocities committed by Muslism.
Until then, spare me the cant.
cosmicone (6,159 posts)
127. Now you are raising the bar ... typical
You were complaining about negative posts re: Muslim atrocities so you said "Bush did it too."
When pointed out that we had a lot of negative posts about Bush and he didn't get a free pass, you are raising the bar to punishment level which is not what you were complaining about at the outset.
No one who makes negative comments has the power to "punish" Bush or Cheney any more than they have the power to punish the Pakistani terrorists.
Are you saying one shouldn't complain or write anything negative unless and until the perpetrators get punished?
In any event, your disregard for the atrocities and sympathies for the perpetrators are glaring.
hrmjustin (48,540 posts)
118. The war was not done in the name of Christianity though. Yes the war killed innocent Iraqi citizens and was wrong but it was nit dine in the name of Christianity. Isis does its doings in the name of Islam.
Wait for it...
KingCharlemagne (1,139 posts)
122. Someone should have told that to General Jerry Boykin, then. - nt
A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2004 that he had violated regulations by failing to explain these remarks were not made in an official capacity.
President George W. Bush distanced himself from the statements, saying that Boykin didn't "reflect my point of view or the point of view of this administration."
So... he never led troops in combat in Afghanistan or Iraq. He said his remarks were personal and not policy, and the President distanced himself from the statements.... but this is proof the US is waging Holy war on islam? Please.
