philosslayer (425 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014937122
GOP has votes to pass Keystone
I enjoy a bit of grave dancing but if this keeps up for the next two years I am going to be tired.
RoccoR5955 (7,474 posts)
1. so kiss the Human species goodbye!
That's it. Game Over! The Human Race has lost!
I wonder what they will do with all their money when there is no more clean air to breathe, no more clean water to drink, and the planet is too hot.
Ampersand Unicode (314 posts)
21. I wouldn't mind if it was just humans
People suck and I've given up on them.
It's the millions of other species that will be affected by this that I'm concerned about.
[insert pictures of fuzzy animals here]
But then, I'm one of those job-killing, tree-bark-eating commies that worships Gaia and doesn't believe in the righteous gospel of prosperity in which God gave 'Muricans carte blanche to burn up the earth.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK PEOPLE!!!! ESPECIALLY REPUBLICAN CORPORATE NON-PERSONS!!!!!!!
cilla4progress (3,938 posts)
77. I've felt this way all my life -
prefer animals to humans. My husband and I have one child, a daughter who I love with all my heart who is an environmental policy major and is presently in Costa Rica studying sustainability.
But by and large, I prefer animals and nature to people, and we have cats, dogs, chickens and horses at my place.
I am also pagan, in that I find divinity in nature.
It's nice to be able to start coming out about this (preferring animals and nature to people), and to find fellows in my species who feel the same way.
It's the thing I'm saddest about.
RoccoR5955 (7,474 posts)
55. You simply do not understand the implications of clearing the Boreal Forest in Canada, for oil. I guess that you are not aware that the trees on this planet provide much of the oxygen necessary for most life. I guess that you are unaware of the problem that we currently face if we keep using fossil fuels with the reckless abandon that we have been. Perhaps you are unaware that many in the GOP want to gut the EPA, thereby letting corporations pollute as much as they care to.
So though it may not be the only factor, the pipeline is a major factor in the end of human life on this planet as we know it.
I guess you are an idiot.
RoccoR5955 (7,474 posts)
60. I am aware of reality as you state it I am very aware of reality. So much so that I want to keep our planet in a condition that will facilitate mammalian life. This oil has to remain in the ground, if we are to survive. THAT is reality.
Saying that they are going to move it no matter what, is just surrendering. This is the problem with so many of us today, we don't have the testicular fortitude to fight for the correct things, or even fight at all.
Good Luck with the go along, get along gang.
Um... why does it have to stay in the ground?
workinclasszero (3,524 posts)
54. The mega rich will climb on a virgin space vehicle of some sort
And find another planet to rape pillage and destroy with slave labor no doubt.
The rest of us left on Earth will slowly choke to death while fox news assuredly tells us its all a left wing hoax.
Apparently we are too damn stupid to survive as a species for much longer.
Hey! There is a new movie coming out that is exactly about this!
Ampersand Unicode (314 posts)
71. Wasn't this the plot of Elysium?
I never saw the movie but that description sounds pretty familiar.
Didn't it have Mat Damon in it?
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUa5oHgYV2k[/youtube]
RufusTFirefly (6,042 posts)
16. On the contrary. Evidence suggest that Keystone may result in a net LOSS of jobs
Pipeline Job Estimates Scrutinized
Global Labor Institute report disputes industry predictions
In Pipe Dreams? Jobs Gained, Jobs Lost by the Construction of Keystone XL, the institute says more jobs could be destroyed than created by the pipeline.
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Sean Sweeney, director of the Cornell ILR Global Labor Institute, said today (Sept. 28, 2011)in an interview: "This report questions the jobs claims promoted by TransCanada Corporation, the American Petroleum Institute (API) and other proponents of the pipeline. The report's findings should generate a high level of skepticism regarding the value of KXL as an important source of American jobs."
...
"The industry's U.S. job claims, and even the State Department's analysis, are linked to a $7 billion Keystone XL project budget. However, the budget for Keystone XL that will have a bearing on U.S. jobs figures is dramatically lower – only around $3 to $4 billion. A lower budget means fewer jobs."
...
Overall, (Lara Skinner, associate director of research at the Cornell Global Labor Institute) said, "Keystone XL could kill more jobs than it creates. There are alternatives to this kind of dirty energy that, if supported, could create large numbers of jobs in the emerging green economy."
Source: Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations
SO.... the keystone pipeline by creating jobs in the energy industry will kill non-existing jobs in the green industry that might be created? Maybe?
PSPS (4,936 posts)
5. Maybe but not enough to override a veto. The real question is will Obama veto?
He will veto the pipeline and grant amnesty for 8 million illegals. Of course, about 62% of Americans want the pipeline.
Enrique (25,321 posts)
19. no, sometimes presidents show leadership like Obama did with the quarantines. You think presidents should pander like Chris Christie. I disagree:
The poll, from CBS News, shows a whopping 80 percent of people want American citizens and legal residents returning from West Africa to be quarantined until it is determined that they are Ebola-free. Another 17 percent think they should be allowed to enter the country if they are symptom-free at the time.
(...)
The White House struck a defiant tone on this issue on Wednesday, with Obama saying, "We don’t just react based on our fears. We react based on facts and judgment and making smart decisions."
Darb (156 posts)
85. There's always science itself. Ever thought of that?
We shouldn't be enabling the worse idea in human history. The Alberta Tar Sands will contribute mightily to the death of millions over the next 50 years, via famine, flood, pestilence, and most likely war on an unprecedented scale.
Well gee, let's poll the teabaggers on how they feel about it, they are well informed. And let's make sure we ask the oil companies too, they have no skin in the game. And let's not forget commodities speculators, and hell, all of Wall Street for that matter, they are unbiased. Hey, I got it, let's have fox news conduct the poll.
Public opinion doesn't matter. Science does, and sadly, our public is scientifically dimwitted.
http://oilsandstruth.org/tar-sands-101
Then... O'Barry has saved millions of lives already!
brett_jv (723 posts)
28. Sucky, but the least of my concerns right now about this elections' outcome ...
That oil was never staying in the ground anyway, pipeline or no. And a pipeline is better than shipping it in trucks or by rail, in pretty much every possible regard. The pipeline is almost certainly going to have minimal (or even positive) impact on global warming in the end.
The thing that's most frustrating about it is just people's STUPIDITY w/regards to WHY it's being built. Canada wants it so that they can sell/ship their now-land-locked (meaning ... the US is a main consumer, due to existing obstacles to shipping) oil ALL OVER THE WORLD ... whilst the people that 'support' the pipeline have been sold on the idea that it's going to INCREASE the 'energy independence' of the USA, and lower gas prices. Fact it, it will DO NOTHING OF THE SORT. IT WILL FACILITATE SHIPPING OF N. AMERICAN OIL ALL OVER THE WORLD. IOW, IT DOES THE OPPOSITE YOU FRIGGIN' IMBECILES.
But since people apparently WANT to be stupid imbeciles ... I say f*** it, build the damn pipeline. I'm way more concerned with things like SS and Medicare and the right to choice and not sending our kids off to die in foreign wars, things of that nature. Keystone Pipeline or no, it won't affect me or mine. Those other things that teh GOP win could jeopardize ... MIGHT.
blkmusclmachine (12,582 posts)
35. It's GAME OVER for the environment. Runaway temperatures and flooding, and droughts and pestilence.
Ampersand Unicode (314 posts)
72. They really are trying to bring about the "end times"
So that they can point to their book of fairy tales and say "SEE? WE TOLD YOU SO!!!11!!"
They basically want to make Revelation a self-fulfilling prophecy. Don't count out the close ties that the Jesus-freak faction of the GOP has with the big-business/fossil-fuel conglomerate arm.
adigal (4,995 posts)
80. Expect Bill McKibben to be arrested again...I'm thinking I should be with him. So should we all. nt
Who?
