4 wins in Wisconsin? SURE!

[landofconfusion80]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025773841

True Blue Door (1,010 posts)





It looks increasingly like Rick Scott's win is illegitimate. If so, what do we do?
 

 


   
DU user Hissyspit brought a very important Bill Moyers article to our attention illustrating some of the races where it looks like - or is close to looking like - vote suppression may have produced an illegitimate result. The most significant is the Florida Governor race, where it appears the margin of victory for Rick Scott is easily within the range of apparently disenfranchised voters.

If that proves to be the case, we need to emphasize what that means: It's not some mere technicality that taints the political mandate of a victor - it would mean that come inauguration day, Scott would be an unelected local tyrant whose acts carry no legal authority, but who is acting outside the law with the complicity of other officials. Meanwhile, it would also mean that his opponent, Charlie Crist, is the legitimate Governor-elect.

If, as time goes on, we find that Scott's official election was indeed illegitimate, what can we - and more importantly, Floridians - do with that information? One of the things that struck me about the aftermath of the 2000 Presidential election was the obsequious willingness of Democrats - and not just officials, but Democrats in general - to just accept a lawless Supreme Court verdict and surrender both the truth, justice, and democracy in service to some mirage of social harmony. Al Gore's surrender was particularly disgraceful, and the fact that most Democrats apparently wanted it was the most disgraceful thing of all, so a decade and a half later we all should reasonably demand more of ourselves and our party than that.

The government of a state, particularly one as large as Florida, is no less important than that of the whole nation, and in fact has more direct impact on people's lives. If it proves out that Rick Scott defrauded the election through his vote suppression schemes, then Florida Democrats need to (a)say so loudly and publicly, (b)demand their officials say so and act accordingly, (c)support whatever court cases need to ensue, and (d)when The Five fascist revolutionaries on the US Supreme Court declare Scott the winner regardless of what evidence is presented to them, they need to have a plan beyond that for civil disobedience and state-level political Cold War. Charlie Crist will probably not be much help, but it should be sought and demanded anyway.

Now, what do I mean by point (d)? Simply, Democrats in the Florida legislature would refuse to recognize Scott's authority, as would Democrats on every political level of the nation, and as would Democrats in the Florida Executive branch. Those on the state and local level would find as many ways as possible to publicly demonstrate this refusal of recognition and cause highly organized and disruptive spectacles. They would issue one demand, and it would be an absolute one: Rick Scott resigns and a special election be held with all legitimate voters allowed to vote. If that sounds radical, it isn't - we just live in such a politically enfeebled era that basic American citizenship sounds extreme.

If Scott is found illegitimate and this doesn't happen, then there is no Florida Democratic Party and the rank and file members of whatever it is that calls itself that would need to create one immediately within the fake one and take the mentioned steps. The same could be said for any other state where the same thing happens. But, of course, I reiterate that it is not yet proven that Scott's alleged victory is illegitimate - just highly likely.

I'm actually very relieved that - notwithstanding major concerns about the North Carolina Senate seat - that it doesn't appear (preliminarily) that the Senate flip is illegitimate. Resisting an illegitimate legislature is a much more nebulous strategic question than resisting an illegitimate Executive leader. Opposing an unelected Governor is far simpler in terms of political strategy and tactics. 

If you fail the first second third time try, try again!!

badtoworse (5,687 posts)

9. We lost. It's time to accept that.
 

Shut your fool mouth! You aren't supposed to be at acceptance yet! get back to grief!

Doctor_J (30,546 posts)

10. nothing, like we always do
 
We've learned to accept fraudulent elections.

Like 2007? or 2012? 

mahina (5,932 posts)

35. Gene Sharp's 198 Methods of Nonviolent Resistance and The Anti Coup
 
are available for download at the link in this earlier post.

Your post is the most important I've read in years. Thank you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251383184

Yes! more hippies at the Capitol! I think the grass has finally grown back from the last recall.

[GOBUCKS]

Thu Nov 6, 2014, 06:53 AM
Star Member Doctor_J (30,546 posts)
10. nothing, like we always do

We've learned to accept fraudulent elections.

Damn! I knew this would happen the minute coach killed Andy.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Most of the DUmmy goons will never move past anger, as is proven by their irrational continued obsession with the 2000 election.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Damn! I knew this would happen the minute coach killed Andy.

It was TIA's bannage that really crushed the Resistance.

[miskie]

It was TIA's bannage that really crushed the Resistance.

Sadly, TIA still has yet to compile his laundry list of fraud. Hopefully it arrives before Christmas.

[GOBUCKS]

http://www.richardcharnin.com/TruthIsAll.pdf

[beefeater]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025773841

If you fail the first second third time try, try again!!
Shut your fool mouth! You aren't supposed to be at acceptance yet! get back to grief!
Like 2007? or 2012? 
Yes! more hippies at the Capitol! I think the grass has finally grown back from the last recall.

'scuse me but are they talking Wisconsin or Florida here?

Now I'm confused.

[diesel driver]

'scuse me but are they talking Wisconsin or Florida here?

Now I'm confused.

Doesn't matter, it's been the DUmmie outrage over election losses since 2000, (GWB, selected, not elected).

They got nothing.

[Dori]

'scuse me but are they talking Wisconsin or Florida here?

Now I'm confused.

I think the topic is disenfranchised voters, which I assume means voter ID laws.

 

It's hard to understand dummy talk.

[thundley4]

I think the topic is disenfranchised voters, which I assume means voter ID laws.

 

It's hard to understand dummy talk.

Disenfranchising voters also encompasses removing the dead from voter rolls, removing duplicate names and names that are registered and voting in other states.

DUmmie think that student ID's should be good enough for college students to vote in the state they go to school in.

If it could be checked in some way, I'd bet a lot of voter fraud occurs by students that go to school in a state different than where they claim to live.

[USA4ME]

'scuse me but are they talking Wisconsin or Florida here?

Now I'm confused.

Florida. OP got the wrong Scott. But the story remains the same no matter where. If a R wins, it was cheating.

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[landofconfusion80]

Florida. OP got the wrong Scott. But the story remains the same no matter where. If a R wins, it was cheating.

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Just planning ahead