J_J_ (386 posts)
Is it possible the media is manufacturing consent for a stolen election?
Everywhere we turn, Americans have been screwed over financially, they know Republicans are responsible, but media keeps telling us we will vote for them anyway.
And everywhere, Duers, Redditors etc. just say "guess Americans are stupid"
Isn't it possible, the same lying media that started two wars based on lies, is still propping up Bush as some statesman, has Republicans on Tv constantly lying about everything....could they still be lying?
They covered up the other stolen elections....why would they start telling the truth now?
In 2004, when exit polls showed exact opposite results as exit polls(the canary in the coal mine)....
media stopped doing exit polls.
The media is THE PROBLEM in this country, so why is everyone listening to their BS about how everyone is voting for Republicans now..
and when the GOP steals it again, everyone will just believe the corporate media take on the situation...?
WinkyDink (42,171 posts)
1. Trying. Just like they had Republican voters shocked at Obama's '12 victory.
Atman (28,071 posts)
2. Possible and likely.
The "media" is a small handful of very, very large corporations with nothing to gain by providing health insurance or minimum wage to their employees. Why should we think they're broadcasting the truth, when lies are so much more profitable?
hvn_nbr_2 (5,270 posts)
24. Not "possible," not "probable." Dead certain.
Just to be clear. I'm not disagreeing with you, just going farther.
Lydia Leftcoast (47,651 posts)
3. Yes, but note that the Republicans were crowing about
their sure victory in the 2012 presidential election and how Karl Rove was visibly surprised on live TV when Ohio went for Obama. A friend of one of my Facebook friends in the South is convinced that the Dems cheated because "nobody in his (white flight suburban) neighborhood" voted for Obama.
The predictions of victory are a psychological tactic, and the constant whining about "illegal immigrants" voting and "Democrats cheating" is a pre-emptive way to explain any losses to their flock.
J_J_ (386 posts)
4. unless we just got lucky, and someone stopped them from stealing it
Anonymous?
More than once I've seen Proglodytes claim Anonymous "corrected" GOP vote theft.
When cali is your voice of reason, you are well and truly ****ed:
cali (96,451 posts)
7. how on earth do you know that the electorate "knows republicans are responsible"?
Polls indicate they blame democrats.
And yes, the American electorate as an aggregate is stupid.
I think it's cowardly to blame any potential loss on theft of the election.
Atman (28,071 posts)
11. I'm not worries so much about "theft." Except for the E-Voting machines.
We know, factually, that the GOP owns the electronic voting machines, which are programmed by the GOP. This is not debatable. A couple of large GOP-led corporations own the electronic voting franchise in the United States. Why we continue to focus on petty bullshit like voter ID is beyond me. It is a smokescreen. The GOP can win any election it wants, via their control of the media or their control of electronic voting. No sane, rational person thinks America wants to go back to the Bush days, but that is what the corporate media tell us, because that means profits for them. Permanent war, tax breaks for the wealthy, build your compound walls to keep out the riff-raff. We're ****ed.
RobertEarl (8,183 posts)
18. It is cowardly to ignore the stealing
Hard to believe in this day and time that anyone could be so cowardly to deny the simple facts you have laid out, Altman.
The voting machines are owned and programmed by the republicans. Only a coward would deny the republicans would use that means to alter vote counts via their computer based counts.
Spitfire of ATJ (18,368 posts)
26. All you need is a media to tell you who won....
Now move along citizen.
colsohlibgal (1,511 posts)
15. The Media Just Won't Go There
I'm 99% sure the 2004 election was flipped . All signs pointed to Kerry winning by 5-6 % and voila, it was the other way around. The polls had been pretty much on the mark historically but no matter, they got blamed.
Anonymous claims Rove was set to do the same thing in 2012, using a server in Tennessee, but they blocked him. That was why Rove had his 2012 meltdown on Fox when Ohio was called for Obama to put him over the top.
E-Voting, any Machine/Computer voting - all can be hacked. I cannot believe the democrats have been insane enough to go along with these systems. Again, we should learn from what Stalin said, that the power is not with the people who vote but rather with who counts those votes.
The only foolproof way is paper ballots with strict custody of those ballots and videotaped counting with all parties as well as neutral observers present.
The custody is vitally important, republicans have been prosecuted for tossing votes in the trash.
freshwest (46,871 posts)
16. More than likely. Remember election night in 2000? When Rather read the exit polls, which had always
been respected, but then Fox came out and said NOOO!!! and soon he retracted.
No doubt Jack Welch, who said Gore was running to take care of welfare mothers and must be defeated, had no small role to play in that. Not to mention Roger Ailes. They run anti-Democratic programming 24/7/365 days a year for a reason. To get Democrats demoralized and Republicans inspired.
It's a year long propaganda war. If people overcome the lies and Libertarian memes all year, they can think for a while. But too many don't. GOP/Koch dollars are very active year around from the grassroots. Or astroturf, one might say.
But it ends up in real power for them when they vote. So yeah, they might steal it, but only with votes.
blkmusclmachine (12,432 posts)
25. The media are owned by the 1%, and they have an agenda to sell to the unwashed masses,
and their vote "counting" machines to make sure it happens the way they want it to.
#14 of the
14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism:
Fraudulent Elections
http://rense.com/general37/char.htm
Proglodyte "logic":
We live in a fascist state.
How do we know?
Elections are fraudulent.
How do we know elections are fraudulent?
We live in a fascist state.
joanbarnes (872 posts)
30. Yes, of course. I NEVER believe the 'statistically tied' polls. NO ONE votes Republican!
Sarcasm?
And it goes on like that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025735387
