primitives discuss non-citizen voting

[franksolich]

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10025720153

Oh my.

Big Mo.

mopinko (42,531 posts)    Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:58 PM

non-citizen voting

anybody else see this? going around fb.

aside from the ridiculously low sample ##, wtf?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/

Thinkingabout (8,069 posts)     Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:04 PM

1. Doesn't seem to have facts, names, places, times, just more GOP BS.

In fact the voter fraud I have seen has been by Republicans and two of the examples were candidates running for offices illegally.

NYC_SKP (62,476 posts)    Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:06 PM

2. The media has its marching orders.

Sow Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in advance of the midterms and carry it through to the 2016 season.

gollygee (15,815 posts)    Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:10 PM

3. I see a lot of talk of extrapolating and adjusting data

It sounds like politicized bullshit guesswork.

mopinko (42,531 posts)    Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:27 PM

5. that struck me, too.

song and dance.

Jenoch (7,094 posts)    Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:19 PM

4. I sometimes wonder about this.

There was a local, (MN) legislative primary with a longtime DFL incumbant (40+ years in the MN House) being opposed by a man of Somali descent. There was a legal issue concerning the votor registration of several hundred people who lived near the Somali candidate. A few hundred people (Somalis) registered to vote using the same P.O. Box. It is not legal to register to vote in Minnesota using a P.O. box.
 
Rhe question I have is, are all of these people registering to vote U.S. citizens. We have no way of knowing.

gollygee (15,815 posts)    Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:15 AM

6. Registering to vote means something

You register with a social security number and the county clerk's office checks to see if you are entitled to vote. They have computers. It isn't hard for them to check.

Jenoch (7,094 posts)    Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:29 AM

7. No,

a Social Security number is not required, at least not in Minnesota. A photo ID is not required. Registration can be done on a post card, on the internet, or in person, all without photo ID in Minnesota, including election day. On election day a person can register to vote with photo ID that includes an address, or they can bring in a utility bill that invludes their name and address, or they can bring in a registered voter from their precinct who will vouch for them that they live in the precinct and have lived there 30 days or more in the immediate 30 days prior to the general election.

gollygee (15,815 posts)    Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:38 AM

9. Now I see where this issue is coming from

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/24/2008961/non-citizen-voting/

Some municipalities are allowing non-citizens to vote in local elections and this is causing people to think non-citizens are voting in federal elections.
 
Also: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/06/17/fox-pushes-non-citizen-voting-myth-after-suprem/194493

Gothmog (13,126 posts)    Mon Oct 27, 2014, 09:10 AM

10. There are some problems with this study

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=67451

^^^the Texas pyramid.

mopinko (42,531 posts)    Mon Oct 27, 2014, 09:52 AM

11. ty

i knew it smelled funny.

their sample size is tiny, and throwing around big percentage scary, but they are talking about a handful of votes.

Gothmog (13,126 posts)    Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:58 PM

13. There is more on this study

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/27/methodological-challenges-affect-study-of-non-citizens-voting/

^^^the Texas pyramid, again.

UTUSN (38,244 posts)    Mon Oct 27, 2014, 11:24 AM

12. My wingnut-crapper detector is going off like a chain saw. This is wingnut propaganda

Who are "non-citizens" -- undocumented immigrants or green carders?

Both of those groups have their own reasons for not voting: Undocumenteds live in fear and in life-or-death conditions and voting is the last thing on their minds. Green carders have a lot to lose with their legal status. And although there are more green carders who might have been in the country for longer periods such that they have more of a chance of being familiar with the politics here, most immigrants are just not acclimated to U.S. politics, more likely to "translate" U.S. parties into their country of origin's definitions.
 
I looked at the website of the survey, looking for suspected KOCH or other wingnut ties, but it's all disguised from me.

[obumazombie]

The libs are stepping up their efforts to keep people moving along with claims there is nothing to see here.

[Dori]

Of course illegals aren't voting.  1. They know it's against the law.  2. Liberal activists like ACORN would never sign them up anymore than they would sign up convicted felons or dead people.

[vesta111]

Of course illegals aren't voting.  1. They know it's against the law.  2. Liberal activists like ACORN would never sign them up anymore than they would sign up convicted felons or dead people.

Or the doctors that  visit once a month the nursing homes to check on patients  who they never met or any idea of their names in order to get paid for a full check up.  Ah the story's I could tell about the Doctors that become rich, or the big business that run these joint we entrust our family', to. 

Right under our nose the hanky-panky going on in schools today.  Some how she my daughter, got her drivers license after paying $250 bucks to the teacher.  This man had been teaching drivers ED for some 30 years.  Daughter graduated and got her license and had no idea how to drive a stick shift car, how to park on a hill or change a flat tire.

a couple  years later the teacher was arrested for being drunk on the job and it was no surprise to his past students, his 3 DUI were ignored by the school district..