Execute officer Wilson but forget the Canadian shooter was a muzzie.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025705453

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:54 PM

Fred Sanders (4,983 posts)

Our obsession with the Ottawa shooter's religion reveals more about us than about him.

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/23/7043845/ottawa-shooter-muslim-religion-does-not-matter

Yesterday, the media reported that Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the man allegedly responsible for a horrifying shooting spree in and around the Canadian parliament, was a convert to Islam. News reports on the shooting then spent much of the day fixated on that unconfirmed fact — even though there is as yet no evidence that his religion was a motivation for his actions. More sensational coverage discussed dubious social-media connections to ISIS.

These reports imply that because Zehaf-Bibeau was Muslim, jihad is the likely motivation for his attack. But at this stage, without any actual evidence, it makes no more sense to come to that conclusion than it would to assume that he was motivated by Quebecois separatism, just because he was from Quebec. At this point, our focus on the Ottawa shooter's religion says more about our own fears than it does about anything to do with Islamist terrorism.

On some level, of course, this feels like an obvious connection to make. ISIS dominates the news right now and we hear story after story of people from Western countries joining its jihadist campaign. Surely, it seems, Zehaf-Bibeau's religion must be relevant to the terrible crimes he committed yesterday?

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A man with a long and documented history of criminality, drugs and mental instability...but, hey, what religion was he? P.S. He was not on any police terrorist watch list....he was clear and irrefutably crazy man first, formost and only.

Watch the Canadian news sources, they are as honest and level headed as American sources are sensationalist and low brow.

(much more common sense and anti-fear mongering at the link)

A drug filled thug was stopped in the midst of a murderous rage but ignore that,it was racism!!!

Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:16 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (4,239 posts)
1. What I found interesting was that the first witness I saw interviewed about the attack

when asked to 'describe' the guy he saw shooting, first said something like 'I don't know what I'm not supposed to say', as if he really didn't want to say the shooter might have looked 'ethnic' in any way, and stuck to the very generic 'he had black hair and a bandana across his face'.

Sounded like he was trying his best NOT to feed the narrative the networks were coming up with.

Yet you cling to what appears to be lying vermin doing all they can to feed the narrative the networks were coming up with in Ferguson.

Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:49 PM

Fred Sanders (4,983 posts)
12. Good thing the civilized gun laws restricted him to a single action rifle......unlike the beloved

weapons of mass destruction protected by the stupidity.

Yeah,thankfully he obeyed gun laws while going on a murderous rampage.
You people are stupider then words have been found to describe.

Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:34 PM

Blue_Tires (38,231 posts)
4. We'll see how the story plays out

But for the writer in the OP to assume this incident had nothing to do with religious extremism is just pure fantasy, especially after the Monday incident...

Yes, I realize there isn't the "100% beyond-the-slightest-doubt proof" of religious jihad has yet to be made public, but I know which cause I'd be putting my money on.

Uh oh.

Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:36 PM

Fred Sanders (4,983 posts)
5. Damn the facts, I have made up my mind...nice. Agree the passport thing was misrepresented?

Agree that the being on a watch list thing was misrepresented?

Agree he was a violent common criminal and drug addict?

The DUmp in a nutshell.

Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:42 PM

 Nye Bevan (17,411 posts)
9. I can't help wondering how many threads on DU there would be about this guy

if he was a foaming-at-the-mouth born-again Christian Fundamentalist.

 

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:43 PM

Throd (5,051 posts)
10. 4,637...give or take a few.

A rare moment of truth at the DUmp. 

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:43 PM

Fred Sanders (4,983 posts)
11. He was foaming at the mouth for 13 years according to Canadian court records...drugs, theft,

robbery...seen by in jail psychiatrist once to see if fit for trial....family had disowned him for last five years.

The religion is irrelevant, the connection is to mental instability and a criminal mindset.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/22/michael-zehaf-bibeau-vancouver_n_6031820.html

A search of the publicly available Quebec court records database suggests he had a lengthy criminal record with several convictions and brushes with the law in the early and mid-2000s.

The records appear under three different names — Michael Bibeau, Michael Zehaf Bibeau and Michael Bibeau Zehaf.

The earliest of the 13 identified Quebec court records dates back to June 2001 in Montreal.

The last time his name appears in the provincial court database is for a charge in 2006, also in Montreal. For that marijuana-related count, he pleaded guilty in court in 2009 and received an absolute discharge.

Twelve of the 13 cases resulted in convictions.

Four of them are drug-related — three for possession of marijuana and one for PCP — with those charges dating back to 2004, '05 and '06. The longest sentence he received among the four was 60 days, on the 2004 PCP charge.

A 2001 charge on impaired driving resulted in a fine and suspended licence a year later.

In another case, he received a six-month sentence in 2003 and three years' probation on a weapons charge.

There was also a prior conviction for assault causing bodily harm in 2001 for which he received a suspended sentence and a fine in 2002.

His longest sentence was for robbery, possession of break-in tools, theft and conspiracy with a co-accused in 2003. He was sentenced to two years in jail and three years' probation in that case.

Other convictions in his file are for breach of probation in 2003 and for twice breaching bail conditions in 2004.

The records suggest a number of addresses for Bibeau since 2001 — a number in Montreal as well as one in Aylmer, Que. In some of the court documents, he's listed as having no fixed address.

Yeah,right. 

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Hypocritical bigots gotta bigot hypocritically.

[Ptarmigan]

I wonder if Michael Zehaf-Bibeau was a DUmmy.

[Chris_]

I wonder if Michael Zehaf-Bibeau was a DUmmy.

How do you say 'Muslim terrorist' in French?

[HawkHogan]

Oh you stupid moronic Dummies.  All Radical Islamists are mentally unstable.  Anyone who can fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to their chest is mentally unstable.

These assholes refuse to admit there is a huge problem with Radical Islam.

[BlueStateSaint]

Oh you stupid moronic Dummies.  All Radical Islamists are mentally unstable.  Anyone who can fly a plane into a building or strap a bomb to their chest is mentally unstable.

These assholes refuse to admit there is a huge problem with Radical Islam.

Fox & Friends First had a shot of the Facebook page of the idiot that attacked the four rookie NYPD officers yesterday, with a hatchet (critically wounding one).  Surprise!  Guess what language it was in?  (No, not Ebonics.)  Turns out that he was radicalized, too.  Two rookie cops injured, one critically, and the other two fatally ventilated the assailant.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/24/ax-attack-terror-connection/

[Gina]

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:43 PM

Fred Sanders (4,983 posts)
11. He was foaming at the mouth for 13 years according to Canadian court records...drugs, theft,

robbery...seen by in jail psychiatrist once to see if fit for trial....family had disowned him for last five years.

The religion is irrelevant, the connection is to mental instability and a criminal mindset.

Anyone that would convert to that barbaric religion is mentally unstable and a criminal in the making.

[franksolich]

Anyone that would convert to that barbaric religion is mentally unstable and a criminal in the making.

Face it; the slandering Fred primitive brought up a non-issue.

I notice the primitives are doing that more and more often, as the elections near.

[GOBUCKS]

These assholes refuse to admit there is a huge problem with Radical Islam.

Sometimes they admit a problem with muzzies, but they're no worse than Presbyterians.

[Dori]

The religion is irrelevant, the connection is to mental instability and a criminal mindset.

Is that why jails and prisons are the best recruiting stations for Islamic Jihad?

from wiki

High rate of conversions to Islam

In addition to immigration, the state, federal and local prisons of the United States may be a contributor to the growth of Islam in the United States. J. Michael Waller claims that Muslim inmates comprise 17-20% of the prison population in New York, or roughly 350,000 inmates in 2003. He also claims that 80% of the prisoners who "find faith" while in prison convert to Islam.[1] These converted inmates are mostly African American, with a small but growing Hispanic minority.