JFK killed is major turning point in US history...

[dutch508]

EEO (709 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251380563

The assassination Jack Kennedy was one of the major turning points in our history.

You already know the answer:

billhicks76 (1,606 posts)
33. Bush Sr He probably was involved and people are still afraid. 

DING DING DING!!!!!

AwakeAtLast (10,286 posts)
2. And clearly showed those coming after him that they were not really in charge

BFEE - all you need to know.

TBF (26,313 posts)
4. Eisenhower warned us -

and Jack Kennedy did not heed the warning. Some of it has come out already (enough that we can connect the dots even if we don't have over-riding evidence). I'm pretty convinced that the Bush family had something to do with his assassination. Dulles, Oswald - all these folks were connected. My view is that Kennedy did not play ball so he was eliminated.

 
 
Show me CIA!!!

TheNutcracker (708 posts)
24. That's when the CIA took over

mopinko (42,477 posts)
6. and those that think barack obama failed to learn that lesson are fools.

wait.... what?

Botany (38,279 posts)
14. And HW's fellow skull and bones club member George de Mohrenschidt who ....got Oswald his job and house in Dallas.

 

jwirr (25,199 posts)
43. Speaking of the JFK killing - when was the PNAC formed?

EEO (709 posts)
23. George H.W. Bush is so dirty. A president who was the former head of the CIA...

An organization his son W. praised and told them how good a job they were doing after September 11th.

You know, we criticize Putin and attack him for being a former member of the KGB and rightly so. Where was the criticism of H.W. Bush when a former CIA fascist became president?

billhicks76 (1,606 posts)
36. JFK Jr
Some people believe that Bush Jr had to get his hands dirty by killing off JFK Jr when he indicated he would run for president month before his plane went down. Also the Hinkleys were CLOSE personal friends of the Bushes and I believe they tried to eliminate Reagan in '81. Bush felt upstaged by the bumbling actor much like LBJ, the Senate Majority Leader, felt about JFK. 

W killed JFK jr... 

TBF (26,313 posts)
71. You need to read what Octafish
has posted through the years. Bush wouldn't have pulled the trigger himself (that's why Ruby was hired) but the connections are all there.

The recent issues we've seen with Obama and his Secret Service are instructive as well. All of a sudden "ISIS" is the stated enemy, bombing ensues, and gas is down to $2.75/gallon. Obama does what he's supposed to and life goes on. Literally.

I am not much for "conspiracy" theories. Capitalism is bad enough on it's face without looking for more behind the scenes. But you'd have to be pretty dense not to understand who is running this country.

 

speaking of that crazy fuxkstick...

Octafish (41,958 posts)
77. Thank you, TBF.

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” -- George Orwell

Here are OPs I started from information I learned at "Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" at Duquesne University.

Octafish to attend JFK assassination conference. Do you think JFK still matters?

JFK Conference: Amazing Day of Information and Connecting with Good People

After JFK Conference, when I got home, I felt like RFK.

JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings

JFK Conference: Rex Bradford detailed the historic importance of the Church Committee

JFK Conference: Lisa Pease Discussed the Real Harm of Corrupt Soft Power

JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963

JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Government’s Role in the Assassination

JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination'

JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation

Noah's Ark - Nov. 22, 1963

JFK Remembered: Dan Rather and James Swanson talk at The Henry Ford

Seven Days in May -- tonight on TCM

Machine Gun Mouth

What strikes me today, looking back one year, how fast time has flown. Now it's 51 years since the assassination, four years longer than JFK lived. Our lives really do pass by quickly -- like a puff of smoke on the breeze.

I'm 57 and can remember what the nation was like in 1963: a place where anyone could do anything and the future would be what free men and women could imagine. In another 51 years, very few people will be around who remember. That is why those of us who remember JFK want to pass forward what we know: It is important for those who believe in Democracy.
 

Botany (38,279 posts)
122. that picture might or might not be HW but somethings I have come to accept as facts

JFK was shot from the front; his head was blown backward and Senator Yarborough of TX
who was in a car behind Kennedy's is on record as saying he heard incoming rounds
and smelled gunpowder.

You can not shoot, work the bolt action, and aim a 30:06 rifle in the time frame
given ...... I tried once w/ a bolt action 30:06 rifle to fire it 3 times in 5 seconds
w/out even aiming it and I could not do it. Recordings from the Dallas PD radio of
the shooting were looked at using physics and to >95% degree of certainty that more
then 3 shoots were fired.

HW Bush, Dick Nixon, Howard Hunt, and some of the Cuban Watergate "burglars"
were all in Dallas on 11/22/63.

HW's associate and CIA "asset" George de Mohrenschildt, got Lee Harvey Oswald
his job at the School Book Depository and the house he was living in.

HW Bush broke down crying @ Gerry Ford's (he was on the Warren Commission) and was saying
that "they" are gonna bring up the JFK shooting again.

you might disagree w/me and that is OK  cpwm17

 

orpupilofnature57 (12,107 posts)
26. He had a plan to avoid all this, and they knew it .

The tyranny carried out by our own government after that day was irrefutably the beginning of the end of Democracy in our country and the world . Trickie Dick would have been sent to the abyss with Poppy, Shrub and all the Monied Misanthropes that owned them and unfortunately us . His speech on secret societies say's it all .

blkmusclmachine (12,321 posts)
39. Kennedy was murdered in Dallas TX because he wasn't a yes man.

Kennedy put the kibosh on Operation Northwoods.



U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba


In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans included hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, Fidel Castro.
America's top military brass contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
imagine the different outcome if George Bush had been in the White House at that time...   

 

jwirr (25,199 posts)
40. And if you are correct (I think you are) then we should quit wondering why President Obama does some of the things he does.

I love a good DUmp JFK thread.

[BlueStateSaint]

There's only one correct answer.  OZ will let you know what it is.

As for the thread, . . .

 

[JohnnyReb]

My Texas kin tell me it was LBJ that had JFK shot....and Oswald......and you know what.....I can believe them.

[Wineslob]

[Undies]

Subtract the cheating and vote fraud and you would of had Richard Nixon being sworn in as president in January 1961.  Jack Kennedy would have remained alive and (semi-)well - we can assume.  So really it was Daddy Joe who killed his son.

[DumbAss Tanker]

What a circle-jerk.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Bat-shit lunatics, the whole lot of those DUmmies.

[67 Rover]

Subtract the cheating and vote fraud and you would of had Richard Nixon being sworn in as president in January 1961.  Jack Kennedy would have remained alive and (semi-)well - we can assume.  So really it was Daddy Joe who killed his son.

Exactly what I was thinking, if we had voter ID back then there would be no JFK to assassinate.

[GOBUCKS]

Coach whacked him, on assignment from the Pope.

[franksolich]

Coach whacked him, on assignment from the Pope.

You know, since the primitives are such narcissists, caring only about each of themselves and no other primitives, perhaps they haven't noticed something.

One of their members sprung loose of this mortal coil.

Maybe it would help if they took some sort of daily roll-call, to see which of them are still extant, and which aren't?

[thundley4]

You know, since the primitives are such narcissists, caring only about each of themselves and no other primitives, perhaps they haven't noticed something.

One of their members sprung loose of this mortal coil.

Maybe it would help if they took some sort of daily roll-call, to see which of them are still extant, and which aren't?

You only managed to get one of them while you were gone?

[franksolich]

You only managed to get one of them while you were gone?

Actually, I'm still gone; this is a by-chance visit.

http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=98644.25

[98ZJUSMC]

Subtract the cheating and vote fraud and you would of had Richard Nixon being sworn in as president in January 1961.  Jack Kennedy would have remained alive and (semi-)well - we can assume.  So really it was Daddy Joe who killed his son.

Makes as much sense as the (D)Ummies....quoting .....Orwell?     Huh?

I'm 57 and can remember what the nation was like in 1963:

No you can't.  You were like, six years old.  Shut-the-****-up.  You were safely ensconced in a protected world of parental-provided Socialism.  You had not the slightest clue what the world was like outside of your backyard and still have none as to why it was like that.  Go quote Orwell:  "rough men standing ready to do violence on your behalf".  Suck an egg, you POS....

 

a place where anyone could do anything and the future would be what free men and women could imagine. In another 51 years, very few people will be around who remember. That is why those of us who remember JFK want to pass forward what we know: It is important for those who believe in Democracy.

How can that be?  We are constantly assured the America was a racist hell hole.  We are constantly assured that poverty was at eLeBiNty!!!!!!1111!! 

...all from little Fascist®Jrs. who want to quote Orwell.   
 

[franksolich]

quote Orwell:  "rough men standing ready to do violence on your behalf".  Suck an egg, you POS....

By the way, do you know the full, and exact, quote?

I want to use it in my annual Armistice Day* advertisement in the local newspaper, something I do every year giving the viewpoint of a professional civilian and what one owes those who served.

*<<<not big on re-naming and re-dating holidays.

[DumbAss Tanker]

You only managed to get one of them while you were gone?

Hey, give him a break, it's about quality, not quantity.

[GOBUCKS]

You know, since the primitives are such narcissists, caring only about each of themselves and no other primitives, perhaps they haven't noticed something.

One of their members sprung loose of this mortal coil.

Maybe it would help if they took some sort of daily roll-call, to see which of them are still extant, and which aren't?

It's understandable that coach knows this stuff before any of the DUmmies.

[Dori]

My Texas kin tell me it was LBJ that had JFK shot....and Oswald......and you know what.....I can believe them.

I can believe it too.  George HW wasn't even involved in politics when Kennedy was killed.  He was elected a representative in the House in '66.  Kennedy died in '63. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

I can believe it too.  George HW wasn't even involved in politics when Kennedy was killed.  He was elected a representative in the House in '66.  Kennedy died in '63.

It's a whole lot more plausible than the BFEE crap.  JFK and LBJ totally despised each other, and LBJ was as crooked, dishonest, and downright nuts as anyone who has ever held high office in our entire history, and I include VP Aaron Burr in that.

[I_B_Perky]

What... no Koch brothers and Karl Rove?  I admit I did not read all the dummies bloviations, just scanned thru them, so if I missed it, well organic waste matter happens.

[Ralph Wiggum]

While I assumed that nut-job Octafish would leap limp-dicked into a good BFEE/JFK conspiracy thread, I'm a little disappointed about something else.

I didn't click the DUmp link, but I figured that type of thread might get bourbon-soaked Wee Willie Pitt to stumble in with some long winded soliloquy about his "Boston" brethren the Kennedy cabal.

[franksolich]

It's a whole lot more plausible than the BFEE crap.  JFK and LBJ totally despised each other, and LBJ was as crooked, dishonest, and downright nuts as anyone who has ever held high office in our entire history, and I include VP Aaron Burr in that.

It's funny, how we think along not-quite-parallel-but-nearly-parallel lines.

I just started reading that rabid Johnson-hater Robert Cato's book Lyndon Johnson: The Path to Power, which goes to 1941.

As you know, I have feelings of affection for Lyndon; after all, he was the best Democrat president in my lifetime--Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and 0bumbles can't hold a candle to him--but more so out of sympathy simply because he proved that old adage, "no good deed goes unpunished."

Here, he gave the minorities, the poor, the young, the aged, all these goodies (of course paid for by other people).....and then they turned on him.  Talk about blatant ingratitude.

[Carl]

It was a turning point in the sense that the democrat party went Communist after him.
Led in part by his two idiot brothers,who cared not that it was an avowed Marxist who had gunned him down.

Not even blood is thicker then politics to a leftist.

[Dori]

It was a turning point in the sense that the democrat party went Communist after him.

Spot on.  However, I don't think a JFK could be elected by today's Democrats.  He wouldn't be far enough to the left for them.



 

[thundley4]

Spot on.  However, I don't think a JFK could be elected by today's Democrats.  He wouldn't be far enough to the left for them.



 

Hell, JFK was more fiscally conservative than many of today's GOP.

[GOBUCKS]

Hell, JFK was more fiscally conservative than many of today's GOP.

Except he pretty much confined himself to foreign policy and tail.

Then he brought in his snotty little brother Bobby, and turned the domestic side of his administration over to Harvard social engineers.