Tommymac (1,397 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014924242
Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system
Which supports the officer's statements. Not that the DUmp will care at all...
sakabatou (32,433 posts)
1. So what if he had marijuana in his system
Wilson killed Brown.
theHandpuppet (19,291 posts)
50. Yep -- what does marijuana have to do with this murder?
Why do they keep bringing this up in reports? One has nothing to do with the other.
bravenak (6,714 posts)
2. Where is the toxicology on the officer?
And his initial report? I'd like to see what he said at the time of the killing. He shot from to far a distance to have been in imminent danger when he fired all those shot at the young man. 80 feet away is pretty far, if i shoot everyone I was scared of from 80 feet away there would be piles of dead folks. Running away indicates fear, not aggression. Everyone says he stopped, turned around, put his hands up, and got six more shots for his trouble. And black people don't get INTO police cars. They run from crazy police. And what the hell does weed have to do with it? Weed makes you less aggressive not MORE aggressive. Some people need to stop watching 'wacky reefer' anti marajuana specials from the fifties.
He was shot at about 35 feet, not eighty. A full tox screen is done on the officer right after any shooting event.
bravenak (6,714 posts)
7. I am super pissed too.
It seems they are trying to find an angle to make cop murder seem palatable. Make it seem like black people are just violent drug maniacs...
They need an excuse to harass the citizens that pay their salaries. I say they need top, each and every resident, sue the police department and each officer that has violated them directly. They need to be kept in court, explaining themselves on a regular basis. If they constantly had to explain their actions and spend money doing it, they would feel a sense of pressure and realize that this type f shit needs to be over. Now. Forever. It cannot go on forever without both sides getting out of control. Unless they like riots? This feels just like it felt during the Rodney king shit. They thought that if they stretched it out, everything would be just fine, with no change in policy. Cops began behaving worse and worse, jacking up kids, literally STEALING lunch money, from children. And much much more! Just like in Ferguson. Now, years later, all of those old buildings are gone, train stations were built, better grocery stores, my old neighborhood actually looks better and there is less violence. And cops don't come by often anymore. Once the cops left, crime went down as did the gang violence. The riot made us recognize that we all had a common enemy. The system.
bravenak (6,714 posts)
13. The way they are playing it, I think they WANT a riot.
They seem to be so smug and sure of getting their way. They seem surprised and angry about the level of resistance they are receiving. It would definitely cost more than a billion dollars today. And I would assume the government buildings would be in danger of being vandalized. I have always wondered if one day people would start busting the prisons open during riots and such. I might have to write a dystopian about that.
billhicks76 (1,606 posts)
14. Conspiracy Theory
I wouldn't be surprised if some pea brained troll on DU labeled this a conspiracy theory and tries to have the comment banned. Some fool actually suggested that on another thread when people thought Warren would be risking her life if she got nominated.
Thats all you people have.
bravenak (6,714 posts)
18. I hope not, goodness!
I just see no other reason to shoot him that does not involve blatant racism. If they ban my comment I will laugh and laugh. Police conspire all the time. There are men getting out of jail all the time that were innocent and put into jail by crooked cops and a shady system. They are receiving millions of dollars.
bravenak (6,714 posts)
28. That is why I consider the cop defenders to be amazingly dull.
The number of cop related crimes is extreme. Imagine if they actually arrested each other? We would find that the cops are an actual gang of thugs and criminals. People want to hid from the facts of life as long as it doesn't affect them. And boy do they commit much domestic violence. The stories I have heard from wives... They stay because they are scared to death. We had one. http://www.adn.com/article/20131108/convicted-rapist-and-former-anchorage-police-officer-moved-arizona
He is not the only one. I live in a prostitute area (yay!) and I have had a cop ask me for a DATE! He pulled off so fast when I got mad and told him I am not a whore, how are you a cop?
Not a very good bouncy but a nice try.
KingCharlemagne (350 posts)
30. My wife studies domestic violence in far more detail than I. She tells me that 40% of
police households have some degree of domestic violence going on inside them. My wife actually thinks that if more attention were paid to the spousal victims of police domestic violence, that attention might focus as a tripwire to head off other types of sociopathic behavior by the cops. From what I've heard, spousal victims of police domestic violence have it the worst, b/c the cops know the addresses of all the local shelters so spouses cannot get anonymous safety there the way other victims might. Also, cops won't arrest their brother cops for domestic violence absent death of the spouse or serious injury or disfigurement.
bravenak (6,714 posts)
31. I agree with everything your wife says.
I dealt with a couple of girlfriends that they had on the side. They do the same thing to them, and they have no recourse. I know one who moved out of state to get away and he had cops in that town harassing her. They need to be exposed just like the criminals they are.
MADem (105,240 posts)
37. I wasn't there, so I don't know, but I have this "feeling" that the cop grabbed Brown's hand with a misguided idea that he could put a cuff on him or something (for the grievous crime of jaywalking), and when Brown did what anyone would do when someone grabs their hand through a car window, he pulled back--the cop opens car door with force, hitting Brown, Brown shoves it back, cop grabs gun and shoots him through his hand, and Brown runs like hell realizing this dude is crazy (running out of a shoe) while getting gunned down in the road.
Which makes no sense. Unless Wilson had hand cuffs in his hands while he was driving there is no way to get them out of their case and attempt a handcuffing. But what do I know. I wasn't there...
bravenak (6,714 posts)
38. That makes much more sense than the department's version of the tale.
The way this whole thing is playing out makes me susect they have done this too many times to count. Might makes right.
um... no.
KingCharlemagne (350 posts)
3. All we have is Wilson's word that there was a 'struggle for the gun'. It could just
as easily have been Mike Brown putting his hands up when Wilson pointed the gun at him. IOW a DEFENSIVE wound.
FFS.
I am really starting to hate the St. Louis Post Dispatch. What a PoS newspaper.
2naSalit (5,243 posts)
16. Well
the operative term here is "official" autopsy, and what of the second and tertiary autopsies... do they concur with this assessment by the white-wash contingent?
I suspect that they don't/won't.
a thin blue line indeed.
scarystuffyo (332 posts)
23. Exactly
If your being held and fighting in through the window and then
you see the cop just drew his gun out of his holster
It's a natural reaction to try and either grab his gun hand or the gun.
After those two shots it should have been over.
If Wilson is right handed the gun was on the far side and MR Brown didn't try
and reach that low to pull it out of the holster.
He saw that that Wilson was going to kill him and he tried to stop him by trying to grab his hand or the gun.
I would do the same thing
After he was shot in the hand he ran away and was shot 20 to25 feet away
The streets of Ferguson will burn... just not until after November 4th...
