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still more woes for Big Mo
« on: October 08, 2014, 11:15:25 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025637063

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mopinko (42,326 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 10:46 AM

the city of chicago is trying to shut down my farm.
 
ROGERS PARK — An urban farmer who bought and then transformed a vacant lot into an urban farm and garden has been hit by the city with 25 building code violations.

Now she worries the city could take her to court and force her to uproot the farm.

"This is just nuts," said Mo Cahill, 60, standing among her apple, pear and plum trees, tomato plants and raspberry bushes at 1839 W. Touhy Ave. "When it was an empty lot, it was a real eyesore."

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20141008/rogers-park/city-slams-urban-farmer-mo-cahill-for-rat-harborage-debris-weeds

So if it's a republican hit with building code violations he's a slumlord, but if it's a DUmmie it's the overreaching of the state.

But the article is really useful for the pic of Mopinkos car

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20141008/rogers-park/city-slams-urban-farmer-mo-cahill-for-rat-harborage-debris-weeds
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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2014, 11:22:32 AM »
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lumberjack_jeff (28,735 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 10:50 AM

1. There are a great many problems with building codes and their enforcement.

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yeoman6987 (3,516 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 10:56 AM

2. Did she get the necessary permits and other things needed

Or did she just start digging? Little sympathy if latter.

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lumberjack_jeff (28,735 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:00 AM

3. If, in your world, you need the permission of the local government to plant a tomato in your yard...

... I feel badly for you.

Urban gardening is one of the few unambiguously good things we can do.

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yeoman6987 (3,516 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:03 AM

7. I could care less

I am just being factual as always.

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lumberjack_jeff (28,735 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:07 AM

10. I accept that the expression of your opinion is factual.
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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2014, 11:26:52 AM »
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snooper2 (21,841 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:01 AM

6. Oh I doubt people will read the whole article, I'm halfway down and hit this tidbit

after which a photograph

Mo Cahill's old Chevy truck doubles as a chicken coop.

and there is this-

The report also instructs Cahill to "remove debris from demolition" from the farm, including piles of dirt, logs, wood and construction debris.
 
The department says the debris harbors rats.

But the piled dirt and organic debris was part of a farming technique to create healthy top soil, she said, and had produced crops all summer long, including 150 pounds of tomatoes.

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lumberjack_jeff (28,735 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:15 AM

12. I admit, "truck as chicken coop" is probably not good community relations in an urban setting.

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RKP5637 (31,496 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:00 AM

5. And some of those codes are done to line a city's pockets with permitting cash and

their buddies with cash. And, some inspectors are authoritarians and control freaks out to have a good time of it all. I'm not saying all building codes and inspectors are bad, just that in some cases there is more to it than safety, etc., etc.

I've also seen absolute SH** buildings go up because the builder was buddies with the old boys club.

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leftyladyfrommo (7,735 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:00 AM

4. I'm all for urban farms.

I don't like grass lawns. Urban farms are much more attractive.

I don't know if urban farms are allowed in KC or not. I know there are urban lots where people all go together are raise vegetables and things.
 
If it is against city codes then you need to get lots of people to sign petitions and speak out on the news. Lots of times they will make exceptions for something like that.

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mopinko (42,326 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:07 AM

9. thing is its not only not against code, we are supposed to be the greenest city in the country.

this is supposed to be POLICY. urban farms are encouraged. there is a new farm belt, an area set aside for farming, with a daily market, and on and on.
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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2014, 11:29:31 AM »
Well, it seems to me Big Mo's got to sit back and contemplate on something.

For years, decades, she's apparently voted for the machine that runs Chicago, all those guys trying to regulate things, run things, for personal profit (pay-offs and somesuch).

Might she in the least little slightest way be responsible herself, for her problems?
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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2014, 11:37:37 AM »
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But the piled dirt and organic debris was part of a farming technique to create healthy top soil, she said, and had produced crops all summer long, including 150 pounds of tomatoes.

The article doesn't say it, but she got the idea from coach's pig manure mountain.

She calls her big mound of crap and dirt the Rob McGrath Pit.

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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2014, 11:44:42 AM »
The article doesn't say it, but she got the idea from coach's pig manure mountain.

She calls her big mound of crap and dirt the Rob McGrath Pit.

 :rotf:

Actually, I don't think Big Mo'll live long enough to acquire the bulk of the William Rivers Pitt, the Jungfrau-looking 740-cubic-yard mound of antique swine excrement dating from 1875-1950, that graces this property, on which "volunteer" "heirloom" tomatoes and catnip lavishly grow.

In those days, the pigs were fed surplus from the gardens here, and most years were good years for tomatoes; the family always got much more than what they needed.

The pigs dined on lots of tomatoes, whose seeds passed their their intestinal systems undigested.

<<<knowing the source of these tomatoes, buys tomatoes at the grocery store instead; it's cleaner and safer.

But anyway, after decades, the stuff looks just like plain ordinary dirt.
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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2014, 11:46:05 AM »
Hey, she should get in touch with a community organizer. :-)
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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2014, 11:56:26 AM »
It's worth firing up Google Earth to take a look.

Her Cook County version of the King Ranch measures thirty-three feet wide.

She should put in a hog barn.

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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2014, 12:00:45 PM »

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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2014, 12:34:10 PM »
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former9thward (11,869 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:25 AM

13. You don't know Chicago.

Impossible to get the permits. If the city wants to screw with you they will always find something wrong.

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yeoman6987 (3,519 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:40 AM

18. Why is it all blue areas are screwing with residence?

It was supposed to be better without Republican leadership in these large cities.

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former9thward (11,869 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:15 PM

21. There has not been a Republican in Chicago in decades.

Except in the far NW section of the city, 41st ward, which is filled with police and firemen and which looks like a leafy suburb compared to the rest of the city.
 
All the aldermen owe their positions to the Machine and and from there corruption at all levels flows. Yes, there are a few progressive alderman that the Machine tolerates but they are few in number.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2014, 12:37:33 PM »
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SheilaT (15,792 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:32 AM

16. Planting a tomato in your back yard is one thing.

Buying a lot and making an urban garden is quite another. And yeah, some city codes are truly stupid, but you don't get rid of them by not bothering to learn what they are when you do something like this.
 
I'm reminded of watching one of the home renovation shows a few years back, and the person from the show who was frequently visiting the site to monitor progress, kept on telling the renovator that he needed to pull permits. Guy didn't bother to, and the next thing he knew he was shut down for not pulling the permits. Gee.

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former9thward (11,869 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:27 AM

14. Chicago harbors rats.

If that was the criteria the whole city would be shut down. When the city wants to screw with you they will always find something wrong. When it was an empty lot full of debris the city had no problem with it.

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snooper2 (21,848 posts)   Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:32 AM

15. now it is a lot of plants growing around debris, doesn't sound like the city is asking for much

Half of the citations are against the flats she owns, rusting gutters, put numbers on your door, fix railing that is falling down. Plus she is just letting all the weeds grow wild that have "flowers".
 
Since she is giving the food away for free it shouldn't be a big deal for her neighbors to jump in and clean the place up. My neighbor lost a huge tree in last winters ice storm and there were six different neighbors including myself with chain saws cleaning up the mess.
 
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former9thward (11,869 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:39 AM

17. In Chicago nothing is easy.

The inspectors want bribes, the people giving out permits want bribes and most important the alderman wants 'contributions'. The slumlords do all those things and never have to worry about anything.
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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2014, 12:40:54 PM »
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Autumn (17,551 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:44 AM

19. Love the urban farming. So much better than a weed filled empty lot,

but build a real chicken coop. The truck is an eyesore. It's sad they are giving you such a hard time.

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mopinko (42,328 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:21 PM

23. no, the truck is a fantastic coop.

it is actually nearly rodent and predator proof. a wooden coop on the ground is neearly indefensible in the city.

and like everything else here, you either love it or hate it, and i get a ton of love. besides, it sits in my back yard, it is not rotting or anything. i dont know why it is anybody else's business.

it is upcycling, and the biggest thing we are trying to do here is not only be sustainable, but help others do the same. there is a long tradition of using old vehicles to house chickens. not something i dreamed up to offend my neighbors.

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surrealAmerican (8,943 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:55 AM

20. In the article, it claims she could not get a "farm" exemption ...

... because she doesn't sell the produce. Could she perhaps sell a few apples to a friend, and thus meet the definition of a "farm"?

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mopinko (42,328 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:17 PM

22. no no. it's not an exemption.

actually, it is a whole new set of hoops to jump through.

i wont have enough to sell for a couple more years. but i could have the zoning change if i wanted.
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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2014, 12:43:12 PM »
I hope they throw the filthy old bat into a looney bin.
It is a disgusting piece of crap.

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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2014, 12:46:05 PM »
Just wait until they control healthcare.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2014, 12:50:55 PM »
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former9thward (11,869 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:15 PM

21. There has not been a Republican in Chicago in decades.

Except in the far NW section of the city, 41st ward, which is filled with police and firemen and which looks like a leafy suburb compared to the rest of the city.

No shit.

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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2014, 12:54:45 PM »
No shit.
That's right. Only one republican in the whole damn town......and it's all his fault.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2014, 01:08:35 PM »
Any one else doubtful of her claim she gives her produce away free. 

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2014, 01:27:21 PM »
Don't feel the least bit sorry for this bitter old shrew.

I hope the city shuts her down and leaves her with a hefty fine.

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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2014, 01:40:10 PM »
Using Google I noticed that most properties around her are in decent shape. Her's looks like someone plucked it from Detroit and dropped it onto that lot.
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Re: still more woes for Big Mo
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2014, 01:57:27 PM »
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What a mess.  Clean that shit up.
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2014, 02:18:39 PM »
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What a mess.  Clean that shit up.

Wow.  May I suggest a good napalming? :fuelfire:
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2014, 02:19:00 PM »
She has a skid-steer in the background, assuming it is not some sort of lawn ornament, she should use it push the garbage in her yard into a dumpster. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2014, 02:19:28 PM »
Google

What a mess.  Clean that shit up.
There's a skid steer loader in the back and a dump truck out front.....maybe the city is already cleaning up that mess.....OR, is that what she used to make that mess?
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truedelphi (29,745 posts)    Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:20 PM

27. All this is sad.

When my landlord pulled the plug on "neighbors" visiting our yard and taking off with loads of our blackberries, he soon found that someone had informed the Fire Department that the forty year old plum tree and its compost pile was a fire hazard. (The tree had an enromous compost pile, well watered all eyar long, at the base of its trunk.)
 
All of who lived on the property waitied for the Fire Department officials to show upand tell us to get rid of the compost pile.
 
Finally the fire marshall showed up, ran his hand through several layers of the compost pile, wiped his hand on a rag, smiled and said, "Gosh, what a beautiful plum tree - and with a nourishing compost pile likethis one, it is no wonder."
 
And then he went on his way.
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."