primitives discuss decapitation

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025585134

Oh my.

DemocratSinceBirth (47,424 posts)    Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:54 PM

Beheading is only marginally less humane than other forms of capital punishment...

Beheading is only marginally less humane than other forms of capital punishment including lethal injection. The saving grace if you can say that is that at least the persons being executed in the United States did something or very likely did something really, really wrong...
 
It's time for the U S A to end capital punishment...

Just needed to get that off my chest...

FrodosPet (2,364 posts)    Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:04 PM

1. You are correct

I will admit that I hear of cases of murder so egregious that emotionally, I want the perpetrator to suffer before they die.
 
But that is an emotional reaction, not a rational one. I feel pride that my home state was the first government in the English-speaking world to outlaw capital punishment, and has never executed anyone.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Michigan

Capital punishment was technically legal in the U.S. State of Michigan from statehood in 1837, but was abolished in 1846. Michigan is the one of the few states never to have executed anyone after admission to the Union.
 
Michigan's death penalty history is unusual in contrast to other States. Michigan was the first English-speaking government in the world to totally abolish the death penalty for ordinary crimes. The Michigan State Legislature voted to do so on May 18, 1846, and this has remained in law since. Although the death penalty was formally retained as the punishment for treason until 1963, no person has ever been convicted or indeed tried for treason against Michigan, and therefore Michigan has not executed any person since statehood.
 
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DemocratSinceBirth (47,424 posts)    Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:08 PM

2. I certainly can understand how someone would want to see somebody who has taken a life...

I certainly can understand how someone would want to see somebody who has unjustly and in some cases maliciously taken a life have his or life taken. But that is an emotional response and not a rational one. The state shouldn't be in the killing business.

drray23 (134 posts)    Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:05 PM

4. for the record

I am against the death penalty. However I think that beheading by a guillotine like the french used to do is far more humane than injecting somebody with drugs and having them writhe in pain for half an hour before they die.
 
Now, being hacked with a knife is another matter.

DemocratSinceBirth (47,424 posts)    Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:07 PM

5. Knowing the exact moment of your demise has to be scary regardless of the method./

Cleita (70,546 posts)    Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:14 PM

6. My thoughts exactly. Sawing some persons head off with a knife

is cruel and barbaric.

Nye Bevan (17,082 posts)    Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:15 PM

7. The way the Saudis do it is way more humane than lethal injection,

at least, the recent cases where poking and prodding for a vein took over an hour and the condemned person was writhing in agony for a considerable period of time before dying. I saw a video of a Saudi execution and the swordsman was so skilled it was literally over with one quick stroke.
 
Of course if we want to lecture the rest of the world about this stuff we need to abolish capital punishment ourselves.

[Carl]

These mutants are as sick and evil as the throwback bastards wielding the knife.

[Chris_]

Nye Bevan (17,082 posts)    Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:15 PM

7. The way the Saudis do it is way more humane than lethal injection

Of course if we want to lecture the rest of the world about this stuff we need to abolish capital punishment ourselves.

[RayRaytheSBS]

DemocratSinceBirth (47,424 posts)    Thu Sep 25, 2014, 05:54 PM

Beheading is only marginally less humane than other forms of capital punishment...

Beheading is only marginally less humane than other forms of capital punishment including lethal injection. The saving grace if you can say that is that at least the persons being executed in the United States did something or very likely did something really, really wrong...
 
It's time for the U S A to end capital punishment...

Just needed to get that off my chest...

So let me get this straight, poking someone with a needle and giving them a cocktail of drugs to make their heart stop is on par with beheading someone?

 Obviously they don't know what happens when the executioner isn't skilled, the criminal can bein immense pain until the followup stroke could be applied. Heck, in mideveal times, it might take 5-6 strokes to get the head lopped off.

The fact that they seem to look at the two of these things as being comparable is scary. Lethal injection has the least chance of being messed up.

Of course, that's assuming any of these prisoners we have today actually get executed. Even some of the most messed up criminals out there (e.g. Jeffrey Dahmer, also known as Lois Lerner) didn't get the death penalty. The same could be argued with Abdul Hassan and Bradley Manning, who both deserved it for their crimes.

So what this DUche is saying is that America is comparable to ISIS because we execute people. The muslims get a pass, because their method is 'more humane' somehow. But executions must stop here in the US. God my head hurts from the stupid...

[JohnnyReb]

Why should DUmmies worry about beheadings....they lost their heads long ago.

[67 Rover]

Perhaps if we did not feed the death row inmates like they were welfare recipients for two decades before finally getting the chance to execute them,  then they would not have the opportunity to blow up to 400+lbs making it difficult to find that elusive vein.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I'm not too concerned about the Saudis chopping people's heads off as their chosen method, after all it seems to be quick and clean as they do it.  I'd be a lot more concerned about how often they do it and for what, if I had to live there.  I don't, so I don't give a shit.

[miskie]

Ever notice the primitive's need to find ways to equivocate anything that bothers them ?

[franksolich]

Ever notice the primitive's need to find ways to equivocate anything that bothers them ?

Uh huh.

[vesta111]

Somewhere I read that our government had bought a dozen or so Guilitines and a poster wanted to know why.  Who knows why the government will spend money on any damn thing.

Now also in the artical that was a short but interesting report that when poor Queen of France was beheaded someone collected her head, held it up and quite a few onlookers swore her eyes moved about.  Interesting

So I had to go back in memory to when people cut the heads off their chickens, rabbits and   Like most kids at the time when animals were raised as food and all kinds of death occured on farms or indeed back yards this was life. 

Only time I ever ever saw a chicken get loose and run headless was a hoot, remember I was just a kid, and I do remember a cut off chicken head  making me nervous as it lived for 2-3 minutes mouth and eyes moving about.

People are another matter, how long does it take for the blood flow to stop to the brain ? 

Anyone that has to undergo surgery get that shot and to told to count to 50.  Most of us do not get past 8 or 9 then black out until awakened in a recovery room.  Not a bad way to die, and for the monsters that torture others better then they deserve.     



   

[obumazombie]

Ever notice the primitive's need to find ways to equivocate anything that bothers them ?

Yes, unequivocally.

[BlueStateSaint]

Now also in the artical that was a short but interesting report that when poor Queen of France was beheaded someone collected her head, held it up and quite a few onlookers swore her eyes moved about.  Interesting

There's a reason for that, vesta.  You see, after being severed from the body, the head--more importantly, the brain--supposedly has about eight seconds of oxygen left in which to process information.  That's why the head was always picked up by the executioner--to let the decapitated prisoner get one last look at the reaction of the crowd, before everything went black.

[SVPete]

DU-folk shouldn't be speculating about how painful beheading is compared to a couple of needle pricks ... unless it's from personal experience.

[ChuckJ]

DU-folk shouldn't be speculating about how painful beheading is compared to a couple of needle pricks ... unless it's from personal experience.

I thought DUmmies, at least the males, liked pricks.

[Karin]

I can't believe they're actually attempting to sanitize this horror show.  And DUmbasses, it usually isn't a quick stroke.  It's a sawing, hacking sort of thing.  Hope you're next. 

[Gina]

Bullet to the head is cheaper and puts your lights out immediately.  I would want to go that way but I don't go killing and raping citizens. 

[delilahmused]

I'm just twisted enough that I think they should die in the same way they killed their victim. I'm not opposed to raping the bastard and then choking them if that's the way he killed. There's plenty of big bubbas in prison who'd be willing, probably wouldn't even have to promise them an extra dessert.

Cindie