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Mayberry Machiavelli (20,851 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:13 AMQuestion about people saying "Democrat Party" etc.I had a discussion on another board where someone made the claim that right wingers made saying "Democrat Party" instead of "Democratic" so ubiquitous that even Democratic politicians said it. This is something I would definitely notice and remember if it ever happened and I can think of no such instance. As far as I can tell the usage dates back to around the GWB era and was probably pushed by some propagandist like Rove, Frank Luntz or Gingrich. I would say that it is virtually universal among the right to the point where even big name GOP politicians will say it, and I think I can even remember Mitt saying it a time or two, most likely to show he was "on the wingnut team" (although someone like Mitt would probably use it in selective settings to avoid having someone like Chris Matthews call him out and embarrass him on live TV). But even if they were the kind of Dem who didn't consider right wingers saying "Democrat Party" to be a big deal, the idea of a politician using the incorrect name for their own party on purpose, a usage promoted by the opposing party, doesn't ring true. I had just never heard anyone make such a claim but will stand corrected if there are any notable examples. The person I was discussing the issue with could not produce examples despite their claim that it was a common event for Democrats to say this.
merrily (9,020 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:30 AM1. Even the big name Republican politicians?They haven't started saying it because they've heard it for so long. They're the ones who made a point of saying all along. They're the reason everyone's heard it for so long. Yes, it was Rove. There was a TV ad for, I think, Dim Son. And there was text on the screen saying "Democrat" or "Democrat Party." (I never saw the ad myself. I am posting what someone told me.) As the ad ended, only the letters spelling "rat" lingered on the screen, perhaps in an attempt to use subliminal suggestion to get viewers to associate Democrats with rats. I've even seen and heard some right wing asshats call us the "Rat Party" or just "Rats," though not Senators, at least not where anyone likely to tell on them can hear them. However, New Democrats are different. In both the House and the Senate, the official name of their caucus is the New Democrat Caucus, not the New Democratic Caucus or Caucus of New Democrats. Chuck Toad has said "Democrat Party" all the time. I emailed into his morning show to protest, but, needless to say, he ignored my protest and continued saying "Democrat Party." Disrespectful partisan poser so and so. Maybe on MTP, he drop it so he doesn't unclass up MTP even more. I don't know. I don't plan to watch.
NYC_SKP (61,582 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:34 AMedited so as to omit trivial, meaningless, unimportant, irrelevancies.
Fridays Child (23,980 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:30 AM12. Why have Democrats allowed Republicans to control the conversation, in this matter?To use the noun in place of the adjective is grammatically incorrect and nothing more. The average rank-and-file Republican can't complete a simple sentence without butchering it typographically, syntactically, and grammatically. I suspect that most of them view "democrat" as slanderous not because they understand the difference but because they blindly accept all marching orders issued by their political overlords. Democrats could have rendered this a non-issue by shrugging off all attempts to provoke debate on the topic. Instead, we capitulated to the coercive playground bully tactics that define the Republican party.
Jenoch (6,717 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:47 AM16. Frankly,I think it is much ado aboht nothing. If we ignore this 'slight' it will become meaningless.
LWolf (39,440 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 12:12 PM17. What's the question?Whether or not anyone has heard a Democratic politician say "Democrat Party?" Whether it bothers me? I haven't heard it. It doesn't bother me. Things like racism, misogyny, classism, and fascism bother me. Ignorance bothers me. The misuse of a term to push someone's buttons only works if the button holder allows it to.
yortsed snacilbuper (1,695 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 05:35 PM35. I heard a lot of haters say "Democrat Party",They sound ignorant and uneducated!
a kennedy (8,842 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:32 PM36. It burns my ears whenI hear that.....HATE IT.
Where I lived as a child, Republicans were few and far between.My relatives were devout democrats. It was common knowledge that Hoover caused the Depression, and that everyone would have died of starvation had they not been saved by FDR.I don't recall ever hearing the word "democratic".It was always, among these passionate dems, the democrat party this or the democrat party that. Never "democratic". Never heard the word.The main reason we continue to say "democrat party" is that a few years ago some fringe left lunatics started to take offense, and they're so funny when they're pissed off.
yortsed snacilbuper (1,695 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 05:35 PM 35. I heard a lot of haters say "Democrat Party", They sound ignorant and uneducated! Quote a kennedy (8,842 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:32 PM 36. It burns my ears whenI hear that..... HATE IT.
Jenoch (6,717 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:47 AM16. Frankly, I think it is much ado aboht nothing. If we ignore this 'slight' it will become meaningless.
Yeah, well, when DU folk cease calling Rs "Repugnicans", "Repubs", "Repoobs", and similar childishness,
I'll consider thinking about whether there might be a little substance to their nit-picky whines.
yortsed snacilbuper (1,695 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 05:35 PM35. I heard a lot of haters say "Democrat Party", They sound ignorant and uneducated!
Quotea kennedy (8,842 posts) Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:32 PM36. It burns my ears when I hear that..... HATE IT.
Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Original post)Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:16 PMrock (8,638 posts) 28. I have recommended we call themthe Republicans Party. It's as close as we can get to the same construction for them.
Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Original post)Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:16 PMrock (8,638 posts)28. I have recommended we call themthe Republicans Party. It's as close as we can get to the same construction for them.
"There are Libertarians in the Libertarian Party, Republicans in the Republican Party, and Democrats in the Democrat Party."
How have a group of people so easily offended not killed themselves already? Our citizens are being beheaded and they're getting their panties in a wad because someone won't add an "ic" to their party name. Sheesh!Cindie
