Primitive noob looks for DUmp cred.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025553920

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:51 AM

Star Member True Blue Door (378 posts)

Facts Our Party Will Not Officially Admit, That It Must
1. The preceding "administration" was a dictatorship. It didn't merely violate the Constitution, in the way that American Presidencies may play fast and loose with the laws - it existed completely outside of the law, with the enthusiastic consent and support of the military high command and security apparatus.

2. Failure to understand and publicly acknowledge this, increases the likelihood of a recurrence, and a recurrence would (a)happen the very next time there is a Republican President, and (b)more than likely be far, far worse. The next Republican will not only be torturing and disappearing foreigners captured in war on distant shores - it will be torturing and disappearing journalists, college students, lawyers. Americans.

3. The militarization of police forces undertaken in the Bush era was not just some kooky right-wing lark with tragic, unintended consequences - it was undertaken in anticipation that Americans would resist when seeing their families, friends, and neighbors being dragged away in the night for political reasons.

4. The US media actively silenced nearly all criticism of Bush and his policies. With few and rare exceptions, it behaved as a monolithic propaganda machine regurgitating verbatim talking points from Bush political operatives and neither sought nor tolerated publication/broadcasting of any contrary fact in its coverage. But there was a loophole in that propaganda system out of which grew a strong and vigorous resistance: The internet. That loophole will not exist next time. If we allow things to go that far, we will learn what life is like for the netizens of China and Iran, with critical comments and news articles disappeared the moment they're posted, and lawsuits on the matter dismissed with impunity by conservative courts.

5. An election where the legally eligible voters denied the right to vote outnumber the deciding margin...is a rigged election, and leaders who obtain office in such a way have no right to it. Every time Republicans do this and get away with it, they will take it a step further next time. Eventually they will stop pretending that elections need to occur at all before they assume the powers they grant to themselves via money, corrupt courts, and guns.

6. George W. Bush's two Supreme Court appointees are illegitimate due to the dictatorial circumstances of his rule, the naked fraudulence of his original "election," and the deliberately-sought impossibility of verifying the legitimacy of his second. All decisions resting on their votes are null and void, including (but not limited to) Citizens United, the striking down of preclearance provisions of the Voting Rights Act, and (less importantly, but still worth noting) the Hobby Lobby ruling. This is merely in addition to the fundamental illegitimacy and lawlessness of those rulings on their face.

7. The current Republican House "Majority" is illegitimate and has no lawful authority. The American people voted for a Democratic House majority in 2012, and the arbitrarily-drawn districts invented by Republicans simply countermanded their will. There are no valid complicating factors such as a constitutionally-mandated electoral system in this case - the House of Representatives is meant to be representative, and Republicans have thoroughly and treasonously subverted that, making themselves open enemies of freedom and democracy.

8. Deliberate attempts to suppress legitimate voting are treason. They are open warfare on the republic and the Constitution. Rights must be asserted and defended as if lives depend on them, because they do.

Yeah,whatever. 

Response to True Blue Door (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:58 AM

Star Member librechik (25,967 posts)
1. Whaaaaat?!! The Emperor is naked?!!! No way!

our distinguished colleagues on the other side of the aisle need us to be as accommodating as we can to their pushing, biting, body blocks, invective and lies. Because both sides are the same, dammit! Even though we do none of the biting gagging and gouging. Both sides. Same.

Response to librechik (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:59 AM

Star Member True Blue Door (378 posts)
3. "Nobody's perfect."

Republicans seek the destruction of Enlightenment civilization and the end of American democracy, and we Democrats are sometimes tardy in paying parking tickets. What kind of hypocrites would we be to judge them?

I only wish this were not a commonplace attitude among our leaders.

Response to True Blue Door (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:07 AM

Star Member librechik (25,967 posts)
5. the Dems just don't want to call them out. They think they'll get killed. Literally.

can't blame them, really. But they forget how popular it is to stand up against the bullies. There would be a swell of support to meet their courage. They're too scared to believe that. And there are hundreds of lobbyists and wrongheaded poetical consultants to persuade them not to try anything, just go along with the corporations and special interests, if they want to keep their seats. Very few can stand up to that kind of pressure.

we're screwed.

 

Response to librechik (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:13 AM

Star Member True Blue Door (378 posts)
7. I agree, our leaders are physically afraid of the GOP's terrorist leanings.

But they forget what a pack of loudmouthed cowards these guys are, and (as you note) how much stronger it makes them look to stand up against that much noise and fury.

Unfortunately, you have to be motivated by some kind of moral principles to stand up like that, and we have too many hollow people in leadership who are only Democrats by default - because we tolerate their weakness while Republicans would just eat them.

Response to True Blue Door (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:34 AM

heaven05 (6,509 posts)
11. +10000, thank you for uncomplicated TRUTH

and the Democratic Party leadership are cowards and have been from at least since 2000. Earlier than that really.

You idiots lap the stupid up like mothers milk.

[Mr Mannn]

Star Member librechik (25,967 posts)
5. the Dems just don't want to call them out. They think they'll get killed. Literally.

What a load of bull****. The dems wouldn't shut up during the Bush admin. Liberals published books and a movie about assassinating the president.

If there is a reason the idiots are all corralled on Skin's Island, it must be because the stupid is contagious.

[JohnnyReb]

2. Failure to understand and publicly acknowledge this, increases the likelihood of a recurrence, and a recurrence would (a)happen the very next time there is a Republican President, and (b)more than likely be far, far worse. The next Republican will not only be torturing and disappearing foreigners captured in war on distant shores - it will be torturing and disappearing journalists, college students, lawyers. Americans.

Where do I apply for the job?

[BlueStateSaint]

2. Failure to understand and publicly acknowledge this, increases the likelihood of a recurrence, and a recurrence would (a)happen the very next time there is a Republican President, and (b)more than likely be far, far worse. The next Republican will not only be torturing and disappearing foreigners captured in war on distant shores - it will be torturing and disappearing journalists, college students, lawyers. Americans.

Where do I apply for the job?

You didn't apply the emergency crypto change, did ya?

[Big Dog]

I will neither confirm nor deny the True Blue Door primitive is my designated Sooper Stupid mole, designed to deflect suspicion from my deep-cover mole.

[98ZJUSMC]

The next Republican will not only be torturing and disappearing foreigners captured in war on distant shores - it will be torturing and disappearing journalists, college students, lawyers. Americans.

Where do I apply for the job?

I am available and will pay my own travel, ammunition and subsistence requirements.

Response to True Blue Door (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:07 AM

Star Member librechik (25,967 posts)
5. the Dems just don't want to call them out. They think they'll get killed. Literally.

can't blame them, really. But they forget how popular it is to stand up against the bullies. There would be a swell of support to meet their courage. They're too scared to believe that. And there are hundreds of lobbyists and wrongheaded poetical consultants to persuade them not to try anything, just go along with the corporations and special interests, if they want to keep their seats. Very few can stand up to that kind of pressure.   

we're screwed.

Of course, 97% of these slopeheaded imbeciles fully believe this stuff.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

I will neither confirm nor deny the True Blue Door primitive is my designated Sooper Stupid mole, designed to deflect suspicion from my deep-cover mole.

Well, whoever that mole belongs to is trying a just a wee bit too hard.  While it certainly sounds as nutty as a trainload of Payday bars,  it's going to be hard as Hell to maintain that level of insanity long enough to make it to that magic 1,000th post.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

True Blue Door (404 posts)

Facts Our Party Will Not Officially Admit, That It Must
   
1. The preceding "administration" was a dictatorship. It didn't merely violate the Constitution, in the way that American Presidencies may play fast and loose with the laws - it existed completely outside of the law, with the enthusiastic consent and support of the military high command and security apparatus.

2. Failure to understand and publicly acknowledge this, increases the likelihood of a recurrence, and a recurrence would (a)happen the very next time there is a Republican President, and (b)more than likely be far, far worse. The next Republican will not only be torturing and disappearing foreigners captured in war on distant shores - it will be torturing and disappearing journalists, college students, lawyers. Americans.

3. The militarization of police forces undertaken in the Bush era was not just some kooky right-wing lark with tragic, unintended consequences - it was undertaken in anticipation that Americans would resist when seeing their families, friends, and neighbors being dragged away in the night for political reasons.

4. The US media actively silenced nearly all criticism of Bush and his policies. With few and rare exceptions, it behaved as a monolithic propaganda machine regurgitating verbatim talking points from Bush political operatives and neither sought nor tolerated publication/broadcasting of any contrary fact in its coverage. But there was a loophole in that propaganda system out of which grew a strong and vigorous resistance: The internet. That loophole will not exist next time. If we allow things to go that far, we will learn what life is like for the netizens of China and Iran, with critical comments and news articles disappeared the moment they're posted, and lawsuits on the matter dismissed with impunity by conservative courts.

5. An election where the legally eligible voters denied the right to vote outnumber the deciding margin...is a rigged election, and leaders who obtain office in such a way have no right to it. Every time Republicans do this and get away with it, they will take it a step further next time. Eventually they will stop pretending that elections need to occur at all before they assume the powers they grant to themselves via money, corrupt courts, and guns.

6. George W. Bush's two Supreme Court appointees are illegitimate due to the dictatorial circumstances of his rule, the naked fraudulence of his original "election," and the deliberately-sought impossibility of verifying the legitimacy of his second. All decisions resting on their votes are null and void, including (but not limited to) Citizens United, the striking down of preclearance provisions of the Voting Rights Act, and (less importantly, but still worth noting) the Hobby Lobby ruling. This is merely in addition to the fundamental illegitimacy and lawlessness of those rulings on their face.

7. The current Republican House "Majority" is illegitimate and has no lawful authority. The American people voted for a Democratic House majority in 2012, and the arbitrarily-drawn districts invented by Republicans simply countermanded their will. There are no valid complicating factors such as a constitutionally-mandated electoral system in this case - the House of Representatives is meant to be representative, and Republicans have thoroughly and treasonously subverted that, making themselves open enemies of freedom and democracy.

8. Deliberate attempts to suppress legitimate voting are treason. They are open warfare on the republic and the Constitution. Rights must be asserted and defended as if lives depend on them, because they do.

120 DU Wrecks as of this writing.

True Blue Door (404 posts)

3. "Nobody's perfect."
 
Republicans seek the destruction of Enlightenment civilization and the end of American democracy, and we Democrats are sometimes tardy in paying parking tickets. What kind of hypocrites would we be to judge them?

I only wish this were not a commonplace attitude among our leaders.

This is either the most awesomest mole ever of the MasturbatingNumbskull has some more competition than a 1-legged man in an ass kicking contest.

librechik (25,973 posts)

5. the Dems just don't want to call them out. They think they'll get killed. Literally.
 
can't blame them, really. But they forget how popular it is to stand up against the bullies. There would be a swell of support to meet their courage. They're too scared to believe that. And there are hundreds of lobbyists and wrongheaded poetical consultants to persuade them not to try anything, just go along with the corporations and special interests, if they want to keep their seats. Very few can stand up to that kind of pressure.

we're screwed.

True Blue Door (404 posts)

7. I agree, our leaders are physically afraid of the GOP's terrorist leanings.

But they forget what a pack of loudmouthed cowards these guys are, and (as you note) how much stronger it makes them look to stand up against that much noise and fury.

Unfortunately, you have to be motivated by some kind of moral principles to stand up like that, and we have too many hollow people in leadership who are only Democrats by default - because we tolerate their weakness while Republicans would just eat them.

AndyTiedye (23,225 posts)

114. They KNOW they Will Get Wellstoned if they Don't Go Along
 

can't blame them, really.

No, you can't. Those who didn't cooperate got marginalized or destroyed.

But they forget how popular it is to stand up against the bullies

.
Only if you actually defeat the bullies. If you lose you get despised and ridiculed.

There would be a swell of support to meet their courage. They're too scared to believe that.

because it isn't true and never has been. 

heaven05 (6,524 posts)

11. +10000, thank you for uncomplicated TRUTH

and the Democratic Party leadership are cowards and have been from at least since 2000. Earlier than that really. Oh and did I mention the 'bluedogs'? Useless and without worth to true progressive movements like we are supposed to be. Did I mention Bill, Hillary, Feinstein, Reid, Pelosi, Wasserman and even with the unprecedented racial and partisan obstruction Obama has faced, it is disappointing to me that he is not speaking out and up on issues like economic disparity among americans, the continued foreclosure debacle, bankers and their greed, corporate power in influencing policy, racism and hate being openly practiced by state sanctioned executioners/murderers, politicians and the average ****ing racist in the streets. This 'new' racism is only because of his color as POTUS. He can talk about it now with no danger to his administration and we better hope we come up with a candidate strong enough to weather the RW media backlash IF he should ever speak out on these issues.

This is a sick, sick country politically, racially, culturally and it is not going to be any different in the foreseeable future.

Scuba (40,109 posts)

31. The Democratic Party leadership are cowards and have been since November 22, 1963.

True Blue Door (404 posts)

54. You're blind in both eyes.
 
The "security apparatus" you're talking about was largely created by the Bush regime in the aftermath of 9/11 with a blank check both literally and figuratively, and still has overwhelming Congressional support due to both bribery and blackmail - not to mention the boring old fact that demagoguing security issues has traditionally been easy for the GOP.

Maybe it's your fantasy to have President Obama wage an impotent one-man war against the entire US government and most of the American public while you backseat drive, then watch him go down in flames a despised and impeached laughingstock, blamed by the entire media for whatever terrorist incidents followed by coincidence...but most people didn't vote for him to do that. We elected a President of the United States, not some foam NFL mascot version of Che Guevara to act out your absurd Resistance Theater because you don't get Netflix.

I've seen this President stand up to the security state; I remember his Executive Order to close the Guantanamo Bay prison that Congress simply refused to fund and thus never got implemented; I remember the enraged shrieks as he turned this massive runaway ship of state away from invading Iran and instead pursued diplomacy, which is still ongoing and actually leading somewhere; I remember all the things people like you ignore because you live in your own little self-serving narrative bubble. Every time the President has done the sort of things you say he isn't doing, people like you go strangely silent and are occupied elsewhere when he needs grassroots support for what he's doing.

So forgive me if I don't take you too seriously, since I've seen identical examples of your comment thousands of times before, animated by equal parts amnesia and self-aggrandizing fallacy.

This is a thread about standing up to Republican assaults on the basic foundations of our democracy. If you're not on board with that because it involves choosing a side, go do something else.

Dreamer Tatum (8,733 posts)

59. I think trying to build street cred is a subtle thing...
 
...the vagaries of which seem to elude you.

(Of course, I'm just part of the apparatchik, I suppose)

woo me with science (28,156 posts)

64. 2+2=5!
 
2+2=5!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5554112

Triana (19,456 posts)

21. "before they assume the powers they grant to themselves via money, corrupt courts, and guns"
 
You wonder why they love their guns and want their minions armed...that might be why. Their idea of a 'well-trained militia' is an insurgency against a US government that represents anyone except them and/or their rich owners.

True Blue Door (404 posts)

30. Pretty much. Their internet cesspools are usually full of unmoderated threats of assassination.

They threaten to go on murder rampages so constantly that the government is physically incapable of acting on all of the threats. Then when someone carries it out, the news media refuses to call it terrorism, and bends over backwards to not mention the political context of their actions.

geek tragedy (40,936 posts)

25. Dictators don't typically serve out their term
 
then leave office as their opposition succeeds them.

Dr Hobbitstein (1,095 posts)

32. Forget it, he's rolling...

True Blue Door (404 posts)

38. You seriously believe they didn't exhaust every option before satisfying themselves
 
that the country as a whole would have erupted if they'd tried to block Obama?

I forget exactly when it was, whether on Inauguration Day or thereabouts, but Obama said something pretty extraordinary in a speech about how great it is that we live in a country where power could be transferred peacefully and without bloodshed.

It struck me as something radically different from the sort of platitudes an American President-elect tends to say. It struck me, in other words, as a warning to certain people.

And if you don't think those people were contemplating how to stay in power, you weren't paying attention to every single day they were in it.

As it is, you may have noticed their appointees continue to wield a strangely considerable amount of power over an opposing administration.

Denying this country was under dictatorship 2001-2009 is the most laughable amnesia. Dick Cheney was basically a more subtle version of Valdimir Putin.

mwrguy (1,741 posts)

56. They knew it would be guillotine time
 
as the masses rose up to support Obama.

Another 6 months of Obama's bumbling and the masses will rise up to reinstall Bush.

BYW -- mwrgay is a notorious gun grabber

Dreamer Tatum (8,733 posts)

65. Oy. Those dudes were ITCHING to take the money and run.
 
What a WEIRD dictatorship that was: prepare to kill every American, and then leave office because they were afraid
of Americans.

CJCRANE (15,700 posts)

33. Good OP.

I agree with most of your points.

^ Notorious gun grabber

hifiguy (14,878 posts)

47. Well said.

Extremely well said.

^ Notorious gun grabber

Spitfire of ATJ (17,557 posts)

51. 9. George W. Bush wasn't the last President. Cheney was.

^ Notorious gun grabber

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[JohnnyReb]

Lo the poor stupid are always with you.

[Karin]

George W. Bush's two Supreme Court appointees are illegitimate due to the dictatorial circumstances of his rule, ... All decisions resting on their votes are null and void

Obamacare too!!!   

They threaten to go on murder rampages so constantly that the government is physically incapable of acting on all of the threats

I recall in the last presidential election all the twitter death threats against the Romneys.  "Imma kill Ann Romney!!!" 

I smell mole here, even though the DUmbasses are too stupid to see it.  Someone took a long time to create a masterpiece of lunacy. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

Wait, those are "facts"?  

Pardon me, but my eyes are finally out of being stuck in the back of my head.