About last night's speech

[FlippyDoo]

I didn't watch super Bam's speech last night, but I did read the transcript at DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025516959

Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not “Islamic.” No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim.

[RayRaytheSBS]

Why the @#$%! is our president running damage control for ISIS? oh, that's right, he gave them weapons in Syria. And admitting that ISIS are terrorists would be like him admitting Nidal Hassan was a terrorist: not going to happen.

[Carl]

Too bad muzzie butchers don`t consider any non muzzie butchers as "innocents".

[BlueStateSaint]

I chose the "Yes" option . . .

Let's face it; all can apply here.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Same pandering bullshit as Bush's, "religion of peace".

[JohnnyReb]

Our problems with the damn Muslims didn't start last week.....and you can call it foreign aid but it's still tribute in my book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
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Barbary corsairs and crews from the North African Ottoman provinces of Algiers, Tunis, Tripoli and the independent Sultanate of Morocco under the Alaouite Dynasty (the Barbary Coast) were the scourge of the Mediterranean.[2] Capturing merchant ships and enslaving or ransoming their crews provided the Muslim rulers of these nations with wealth and naval power. The Roman Catholic Trinitarian Order or Order of "Mathurins" had operated from France for centuries with the special mission of collecting and disbursing funds for the relief and ransom of prisoners of Mediterranean pirates. According to Robert Davis, between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves between the 16th and 19th centuries
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....and Europe to day is still paying for the release of captives.

It's time again to take the leash off the Marine Corps bulldog and let him run amuck amongst the Muslim scum.

[Gina]

Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not “Islamic.” No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.

2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

2:244 Fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearer, Knower.

5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom

Mohammed, (may he burn in hell), sounds like a real peach

[franksolich]

It's time again to take the leash off the Marine Corps bulldog and let him run amuck amongst the Muslim scum.

Whoa.  Not at this moment, though.

Given the utter contempt with which the current administration has treated those who risk their lives and futures to keep us free, I don't want to see a single American soldier die for Obambo.

<<<have been a raving dove since January 20, 2009.

[hillneck]

I didn't watch the speech last night.  I can't stand to hear his voice, knowing what he and his cronies are doing to this country.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Why the @#$%! is our president running damage control for ISIS? oh, that's right, he gave them weapons in Syria.

Yeah, which makes sending more weapons into Syria for the 'Moderate' opposition a real genius move.  It'll get that ancient dope McCain's support, but what will actually happen is that ISIS will have two-thirds of all the shit we send within 90 days of it crossing the border. 

[USA4ME]

I watched it, which is something I rarely do, and only did it this time for the laughs. I mean, I knew he was going to do nothing but lie.

Still of the opinion he wants nothing to do with foreign policy and that he's mad that ISIS is distracting away from the havoc he'd rather be inflicting on the USA. This speech was just to buy time and provide some cover for the Dem candidates until past the midterms. I suspect though, at this point, those who have started to express concerns about his competence will continue to do so. And we already know the true believers will continue their cultish worship of all he says and does, so last night was just another reason to increase their faith.

Airstrikes and drones will have some effect, but the battles will be won on the ground as they always are. He's going in with a coalition of 9, none of which are willing to commit anything more than "good luck, here's an advisor or two," so that'll fall apart when things go sour. And I highly doubt that ragtag "army" we have trained over there will have any type of sustaining power to defeat ISIS.

He just wants to buy time and push this problem off on the next administration.

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[Rebel]

Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not “Islamic.” No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim. ---Bigeared Obama

Oh really, clown?

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" 

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden).

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

^^ This one is in particular interest as it talks about those "moderate" Muzzies we always look for to protest against Muzzie attrocities. It seems that in doing so, they've already broken the "prophet" Mohammed's, shit be upon him, commandment.

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."   

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."  See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Many, MANY more here:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm


Islam peaceful my f'n ass. ISIL/ISIS/What the **** ever, IS Islam. PERIOD. The same cult you DUmbasses defend while you trash the ever living shit out of Christianity. **** you, Obama. YOU go live with the bastards.

[RayRaytheSBS]

Yeah, which makes sending more weapons into Syria for the 'Moderate' opposition a real genius move.  It'll get that ancient dope McCain's support, but what will actually happen is that ISIS will have two-thirds of all the shit we send within 90 days of it crossing the border.

Sad but true DAT. Sad but true. He doesn't have the balls to deal with the problem as it needs to be dealt with.

You handle ISIS Decisively, with MAXIMUM violence of action so that those idiots will forget about jihad.

THAT is what they will understand. That, and nothing else. Where is William Tecumseh Sherman when we need him?

[BlueStateSaint]

I'm kinda partial to 'Muslim outreach' as shown below . . .

[GOBUCKS]

the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they've also done a lot of bad things.

[DumbAss Tanker]

No religion condones the killing of innocents

Horseshit.  Christianity is one of the few that hasn't, and that is because of its belief in the sacrifice of Christ covering the tab as a symbolic sacrifice for all the other believers ever.  Even among the ancient Hebrews, Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac as apparently an acceptable practice up to the point God told him to chill, which was the point at which the practice left that particular religion, at least with respect to their OWN innocents - they still killed all the innocent non-Hebrew men, women, and children of Canaan.

Killing innocents is actually about as common as dirt in the history of religions, with Muslims being far and away the leading practitioners of it among the major modern-day religions...of course you can't really call Islam a 'Modern-day religion,' it's more like Aztecs that managed to hang on to the present day.

[ChuckJ]

Horseshit.  Christianity is one of the few that hasn't, and that is because of its belief in the sacrifice of Christ covering the tab as a symbolic sacrifice for all the other believers ever.  Even among the ancient Hebrews, Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac as apparently an acceptable practice up to the point God told him to chill, which was the point at which the practice left that particular religion, at least with respect to their OWN innocents - they still killed all the innocent non-Hebrew men, women, and children of Canaan.

Killing innocents is actually about as common as dirt in the history of religions, with Muslims being far and away the leading practitioners of it among the major modern-day religions...of course you can't really call Islam a 'Modern-day religion,' it's more like Aztecs that managed to hang on to the present day.

At least the Aztecs built a city out of a mud hole. The izzies only seem to destroy things.

[Wineslob]

Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not “Islamic.” No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim.

Care to tell us why, O' Fearful **** Stick?


 

[Wineslob]

Why ISIL? Gotta be able to still blame Bush:

Last paragraph (fourth).


http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/08/24/obamas-use-isil-not-isis-tells-another-story

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Horseshit.  Christianity is one of the few that hasn't, and that is because of its belief in the sacrifice of Christ covering the tab as a symbolic sacrifice for all the other believers ever.  Even among the ancient Hebrews, Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac as apparently an acceptable practice up to the point God told him to chill, which was the point at which the practice left that particular religion, at least with respect to their OWN innocents - they still killed all the innocent non-Hebrew men, women, and children of Canaan.

Killing innocents is actually about as common as dirt in the history of religions, with Muslims being far and away the leading practitioners of it among the major modern-day religions...of course you can't really call Islam a 'Modern-day religion,' it's more like Aztecs that managed to hang on to the present day.

It seems that in other religions a sacrifice has been to atone for past misdeeds or as a gift for the sake of a selfless offering.

Only Islam treats murder as an act for obtaining righteousness.

[thundley4]

Yeah, which makes sending more weapons into Syria for the 'Moderate' opposition a real genius move.  It'll get that ancient dope McCain's support, but what will actually happen is that ISIS will have two-thirds of all the shit we send within 90 days of it crossing the border.

The left claims that al Qaeda was formed from the rebels that the US armed in Afghanistan to fight the Russians. Why do they now think that arming more Muslims is a good idea?

[JohnnyReb]

The left claims that al Qaeda was formed from the rebels that the US armed in Afghanistan to fight the Russians. Why do they now think that arming more Muslims is a good idea?

Because it's Obama's idea......until it goes all wrong and then it's back to "It's Bush's fault."

[98ZJUSMC]

An empty suit, who now has to deal with the inevitable consequences of his own stupidity and lack of foresight. 

A good quote:

   "Pity Barack Obama. Our hapless chief executive must be suffering from a cognitive disorder the size of Alpha Centauri. The poor guy grew up on the anti-imperialist mouthings of lefty poet Frank Marshall Davis, schoolboy revolutionary Bill Ayers and later anti-Israel professor Rashid Khalidi, not to mention the well-known anti-American excrescences of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and now he has to go to war — as an imperialist — against the very Third World people he was told again and again we colonized and destroyed. His head must be about to explode.

No wonder he insisted in his Wednesday night speech that the Islamic State is not Islamic — what is it? Hindu? Zoroastrian? A lost tribe of Hasidic Jews? — and that we are fighting an amorphous “terrorist group” (the Irish Republican Army? Basque separatists perhaps?), not the jihadism whose violent ideology has so obviously metastasized across several continents under many guises during his administration with no end remotely in sight. He dares not name our enemy, although it’s almost impossible to imagine how we could win without doing so. He cannot say anything that’s true because he doesn’t know what is true or, perhaps more likely, is terrified to know and then have to admit it. If he did, everything would unravel, not just the jejune Marxism of Frank Marshall Davis. Everything.

But he does know what his poll numbers are and they aren’t good. So we are where we are. Half way in and half way out. Forget Winston Churchill. Forget Douglas MacArthur. The USA is going to war with a nowhere man who no longer knows what he stands for — and who originally stood for very little more than widely discredited and tired left-wing drivel masquerading as hope and change. Now even that’s gone, a distant memory."

 --Roger L. Simon

Commence Operation Polling Thunder.

Islamic State is not Islamic

Teh smahtest man alive......

[98ZJUSMC]

Because it's Obama's idea......until it goes all wrong and then it's back to "It's Bush's fault."

As incredibly stupid as that sounds, it's exactly right.

My, God ....how far we have fallen. 

[Big Dog]

Horseshit.  Christianity is one of the few that hasn't

Christianity is not immune, my friend.

The Catholics have the Seige of Beziers ('Kill them all, God will know his own'), and the Inquisitions. Catholics and Heugots killed each other in God's name. The 30 Years' War was Catholic v. Lutheran. Mormons killed, and were killed, including innocents.

Even today we find Christians who want to kill every Muslim man, woman, and child.