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Re: oh my again
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2008, 07:34:30 PM »

You know if you AGW nuts quit hyperventilating that will significantly significantly reduce human-caused carbon monoxide emissions.

Gotta do your part, you know...

Who is hyperventilating here? As I have pointed out in the past, the consequences of climate change are yet unknown. In fact, I suspect that some parts of the Earth may actually benefit from climate change.

Let me do you one better: the consequences of climate change are as yet unknowable.  Until they make a climate model that can accurately project a single season, much less 10 or 100 years then it is just tea leaf reading.  Add to that the impossibility of knowing if human activity has any effect and AGW becomes so much "hot air."

But good to know you can see how good the possible AGW can be, if true.
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Re: oh my again
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2008, 07:36:11 PM »

Who - besides the Goracle and the idiots that believe his crap - has designated carbon dioxide a "pollutant", again?

I'm sure the plant life on this planet would disagree with that assessment.

Scientists arent saying that CO2 is bad. What scientists are saying is that too much CO2 is bad.

and how do they measure what is "too much" out there?

we still have been to the depths of the ocean on this planet..
Too much = that which liberals decide.
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Re: oh my again
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2008, 08:46:38 PM »
Well, the nocturnally foul one should stop worrying about how man is going to destroy the eart--er, planet.

These are photographs--amateur photographs--of that storm that laid Omaha low on Friday, June 27 (it might have been June 20, but I think it was June 27), at 5:00 p.m. central time, 4:00 p.m. mountain time.  The storm came out of nowhere (it abruptly appeared on radar screens about 50 miles west of Omaha; just dropped out of the clear sky), and spent 40 minutes blowing down Omaha.  Winds were in excess of 80 mph.

This was at rush hour; it doesn't get dark here until about 9:00 p.m.

















Actually the estimates for the wind are closer to 110 - 115 MPH.
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Re: oh my again
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2008, 09:53:45 AM »

Who - besides the Goracle and the idiots that believe his crap - has designated carbon dioxide a "pollutant", again?

I'm sure the plant life on this planet would disagree with that assessment.

Scientists arent saying that CO2 is bad. What scientists are saying is that too much CO2 is bad.

Care to quote me three that aren't on the Goracle's payroll?  Also, care to define the nebulous term "too much CO2", and lay out exactly what makes that level cross the "too much" threshhold? 

Subjective, emotionally charged terms like that are such a pain in the ass in a "scientific discussion".   ::)
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Re: oh my again
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2008, 10:35:44 AM »
This:


Leads to this:


Only our precious, bacteria-laden CO2 can save us!
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Re: oh my again
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2008, 11:55:14 AM »
Care to quote me three that aren't on the Goracle's payroll?  Also, care to define the nebulous term "too much CO2", and lay out exactly what makes that level cross the "too much" threshhold? 

Subjective, emotionally charged terms like that are such a pain in the ass in a "scientific discussion".   ::)

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How much CO2 emission is too much?
Classé dans: IPCC Greenhouse gases Climate Science— david @ 3:18 PM - () ()

This week, representatives from around the world will gather in Nairobi, Kenya for the latest Conference of Parties (COP) meeting of the Framework Convention of Climate Change (FCCC) which brought us the Kyoto Protocol. The Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012, and the task facing the current delegates is to negotiate a further 5-year extension. This is a gradual, negotiated, no doubt frustrating process. By way of getting our bearings, a reader asks the question, what should the ultimate goal be? How much CO2 emissions cutting would it take to truly avoid "dangerous human interference in the climate system"?

On the short term of the next few decades, the line between success and excess can be diagnosed from carbon fluxes on Earth today. Humankind is releasing CO2 at a rate of about 7 Gton C per year from fossil fuel combustion, with a further 2 Gton C per year from deforestation. Because the atmospheric CO2 concentration is higher than normal, the natural world is absorbing CO2 at a rate of about 2 or 2.5 Gton C per year into the land biosphere and into the oceans, for a total of about 5 Gton C per year. The CO2 concentration of the atmosphere is rising because of the 4 Gton C imbalance. If we were to cut emissions by about half, from a total of 9 down to about 4 Gton C per year, the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere would stop rising for awhile. That would be a stunning success, but the emission cuts contemplated by Kyoto were only a small step in this direction.

Eventually, the chemistry of the ocean would equilibrate with this new atmospheric pCO2 concentration of about 380 ppm (the current concentration), and its absorption of new CO2 would tail off. Presumably the land biosphere would also inhale its fill and stop absorbing more. How long can we expect to be able to continue our lessened emissions of 4 Gton C per year? The answer can be diagnosed from carbon cycle models. A range of carbon cycle models have been run for longer than the single-century timescale that is the focus of the IPCC and the FCCC negotiation process. The models include an ocean and often a terrestrial biosphere to absorb CO2, and sometimes chemical weathering (dissolution of rocks) on land and deposition of sediments in the ocean. The models tend to predict a maximum atmospheric CO2 inventory of about 50-70% of the total fossil fuel emission slug. Let's call this quantity the peak airborne fraction, and assume it to be 60%.

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http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/how-much-co2-emission-is-too-much/
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Re: oh my again
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2008, 12:37:48 PM »
^I stopped reading after the citation that this claptrap is brought to you by the same bunch of clowns that authored the Kyoto Protocol.......

More UN-driven pseudoscience.....

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Re: oh my again
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2008, 09:25:36 PM »
Well this is obviouly another sad attempt by TNO to prove that,



And the answer is no.
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Re: oh my again
« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2008, 09:34:27 PM »
Those pictures are amazing.

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Re: oh my again
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2008, 09:34:32 AM »
^I stopped reading after the citation that this claptrap is brought to you by the same bunch of clowns that authored the Kyoto Protocol.......

More UN-driven pseudoscience.....

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