As the Michael Brown story falls apart, DUmp clutches at pearls.

[BlueStateSaint]

Peter Johnson was on Fox & Friends this morning talking about this, and saying that the video is extremely relevant to the subsequent shooting.  His reasoning is that the video, and the theft, can go a long way towards explaining Brown's state of mind at the time.  That little tidbit will be used by the cop's attorney, or the city's attorney, to help determine why the round was fired in the police car (one witness has come forward, describing a 'struggle in the car').  As to the rounds fired at Brown as he tried to escape, well . . . that may be the cop's undoing.

[dutch508]

The statutory standards allow an officer to use deadly physical force when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary to (1) defend himself or herself or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or (2) arrest or prevent the escape of someone the officer reasonably believes has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threat of serious physical injury, and, if feasible, the officer has given warning of his or her intent to use deadly physical force.

Lets argue of a moment that the Officer didn't know Mr. Brown was the suspect in the robbery and assault at a local convenience store minutes prior to the stop. The stop was conducted because Mr. Brown and Johnson were walking down the middle of the street. That is cause for the stop. Mr. Brown then allegedly assaults the police officer , a Class III felony, and tries to flee.

The law authorizes law enforcement officers to use deadly physical force only when they reasonably believe it is necessary to:

1. defend themselves or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or

2. make an arrest or prevent the escape from custody of a person whom they reasonably believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and, where feasible, they have given warning of their intent to use deadly physical force (CGS § 53a-22 (c)).

If Mr. Brown was indeed going for the Officer's weapon then the Officer was in threat of deadly physical force. That Mr. Brown then attempted to flee does not remove the criteria to use deadly force. The Police can assume that a person who assaults a police officer and tried to kill them would be a dangerous threat to the general public and so use of deadly force is authorized.

[HawkHogan]

The fellow robber's account sounded like bull shit from the start.  The cop pulled a 300 pound kid into his car?   Then Thug Brown got a way, was shot once, so he got on his knees, put his hands up and said "I don't have a gun." So now the cop unloads his clip into him?

Yeah I don't believe it.

Plus snitches get stitches.

[BlueStateSaint]

The statutory standards allow an officer to use deadly physical force when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary to (1) defend himself or herself or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or (2) arrest or prevent the escape of someone the officer reasonably believes has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threat of serious physical injury, and, if feasible, the officer has given warning of his or her intent to use deadly physical force.

Lets argue of a moment that the Officer didn't know Mr. Brown was the suspect in the robbery and assault at a local convenience store minutes prior to the stop. The stop was conducted because Mr. Brown and Johnson were walking down the middle of the street. That is cause for the stop. Mr. Brown then allegedly assaults the police officer , a Class III felony, and tries to flee.

The law authorizes law enforcement officers to use deadly physical force only when they reasonably believe it is necessary to:

1. defend themselves or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or

2. make an arrest or prevent the escape from custody of a person whom they reasonably believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and, where feasible, they have given warning of their intent to use deadly physical force (CGS § 53a-22 (c)).

If Mr. Brown was indeed going for the Officer's weapon then the Officer was in threat of deadly physical force. That Mr. Brown then attempted to flee does not remove the criteria to use deadly force. The Police can assume that a person who assaults a police officer and tried to kill them would be a dangerous threat to the general public and so use of deadly force is authorized.

I stand corrected, Dutch.  Thank you for the clarification.

[dutch508]

I stand corrected, Dutch.  Thank you for the clarification.

It is difficult case law.

[ChuckJ]

The statutory standards allow an officer to use deadly physical force when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary to (1) defend himself or herself or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or (2) arrest or prevent the escape of someone the officer reasonably believes has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threat of serious physical injury, and, if feasible, the officer has given warning of his or her intent to use deadly physical force.

Lets argue of a moment that the Officer didn't know Mr. Brown was the suspect in the robbery and assault at a local convenience store minutes prior to the stop. The stop was conducted because Mr. Brown and Johnson were walking down the middle of the street. That is cause for the stop. Mr. Brown then allegedly assaults the police officer , a Class III felony, and tries to flee.

The law authorizes law enforcement officers to use deadly physical force only when they reasonably believe it is necessary to:

1. defend themselves or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or

2. make an arrest or prevent the escape from custody of a person whom they reasonably believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical injury and, where feasible, they have given warning of their intent to use deadly physical force (CGS § 53a-22 (c)).

If Mr. Brown was indeed going for the Officer's weapon then the Officer was in threat of deadly physical force. That Mr. Brown then attempted to flee does not remove the criteria to use deadly force. The Police can assume that a person who assaults a police officer and tried to kill them would be a dangerous threat to the general public and so use of deadly force is authorized.

When my wife asked why did the cop shoot instead of just radioing it in my response to her was that, as far as the cop was concerned, he could have figured that if the guy was crazy enough to attack a cop he could very well be crazy enough to harm and/or kill an innocent child.

My thoughts are that stirring all of this stuff up BEFORE an investigation is complete further demonizes cops and increases the likelihood of even more problems.

I realize that cops are just humans so there is going to be some bad apples, but personally, every cop that I've had the fortune (or misfortune) of dealing with so far have been polite and respectful. Of course, in each case I was polite and respectful to the cop.

[dutch508]

FERGUSON, Mo. -- Anger spurred by the death of a black teenager at the hands of white police officer boiled over again when protesters stormed into a Missouri convenience store - the same store that Michael Brown was accused of robbing.

Police and about 200 protesters clashed in Ferguson, Missouri late Friday after another tense day in the St. Louis suburb, a day that included authorities identifying the officer who fatally shot Brown on Aug. 9. At the same news conference in which officer Darren Wilson was named, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson released documents alleging that Brown stole a $48.99 box of cigars from the convenience store, then strong-armed a man on his way out.

Just before midnight, some in what had been a large and rowdy but mostly well-behaved crowd broke into that same small store and began looting it, said Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson.

Some in the crowd began throwing rocks and other objects at police, Johnson said. One officer was hurt but details on the injury were not immediately available.

Johnson said police backed off to try and ease the tension. He believes looting may have spread to a couple of nearby stores. No arrests were made.

"We had to evaluate the security of the officers there and also the rioters," Johnson said. "We just felt it was better to move back."

Family attorney Daryl Parks acknowledged that the man shown in the surveillance footage "appears to be" Brown. But he and others said Brown's family was blindsided by the allegations and release of the footage. They said that even if it was Brown, the crime didn't justify the shooting of a teen after he put up his hands in surrender to the officer, as witnesses allege.

Another family attorney, Benjamin Crump, said police "are choosing to disseminate information that is very strategic to try to help them justify the execution-style" killing, said Crump, who also represented the family of Trayvon Martin, the teenager fatally shot by a Florida neighborhood watch organizer who was later acquitted of murder.

The surveillance video appears to show a man wearing a ball cap, shorts and white T-shirt grabbing a much shorter man by his shirt near the store's door. A police report alleges that Brown grabbed the man who had come from behind the store counter and "forcefully pushed him back" into a display rack.

Police said they found evidence of the stolen merchandise on Brown's body.

Brown's family and supporters have been pushing for release of the officer's name. Wilson is a six-year police veteran - two in neighboring Jennings and four in Ferguson - and had no previous complaints filed against him, Jackson said.

The police chief described Wilson as "a gentle, quiet man" who had been "an excellent officer." Wilson has been on paid administrative leave since the shooting. St. Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch said it could be weeks before the investigation of the shooting wraps up.

St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley on Friday asked Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster to take over the case, saying he did not believe McCulloch could be objective. Koster said Missouri law does not allow it unless McCulloch opts out. McCulloch spokesman Ed Magee said McCulloch has no plans to surrender the case.

Also Friday, the Justice Department confirmed in a statement that FBI agents had conducted several interviews with witnesses as part of a civil-rights investigation into Brown's death. In the days ahead, the agents planned to canvass the neighborhood where the shooting happened, seeking more information, the statement said.

[Karin]

sendero (26,658 posts)

25. I heard that the majority of the city being black.

..... but does not vote hence a white mayor and police dept.

An entire police dept is not "voted in,"  DUmmie.  The fact is, the graduation rate for blacks is so bad there, nobody has the diploma to apply for police academy.  Thanks, public schools.

[SVPete]

Of course... the witness who said that Brown put his hands up was the other robbery suspect.

  Bingo! But will the MSM connect those dots now that they've pretty much had to report that Brown was the muscle in a (literal) strong arm robbery?

[HawkHogan]

Supposedly Mikey Brown double backed and ran at the officer.   Sounds more and more like St. Trayvon.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/

[JohnnyReb]

Supposedly Mikey Brown double backed and ran at the officer.   Sounds more and more like St. Trayvon.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/

Another liberal saint bites the dust.

[Dori]

Supposedly Mikey Brown double backed and ran at the officer.   Sounds more and more like St. Trayvon.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/

Nice find.  There was a mention of the possibility this kid was on drugs.

Someone else said this couldn't be this kids first rodeo either.

[HawkHogan]

Another liberal saint bites the dust.

That account also matches the cop's side of the story as well. 

http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/

[Dori]

The Ferguson authorities are trying to have a press conference with the Gov. and others and the audience isn't letting them talk much.

What a fiasco.  They are going to try to put a curfew on the city.

[98ZJUSMC]

MynameisBlarney (1,735 posts)
11. That ain't how it works. You make the claim, YOU provide the evidence to back it up, if not....then shut your racist pie hole. There are a bunch of breitbart and drudge trolls on Raw Story saying the same stupid shit.
I say the same to them as I do to you. Cites, or STFU.

la-la-la. Cites from the dAiLykOOk, or I can't hear you. la-la-la....