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Offline dutch508

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Why leftists should not be in charge of anything.
« on: August 10, 2014, 11:13:54 AM »
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Star Member DemocratSinceBirth (47,114 posts)

Do you support military action against ISIS?


155 votes, 7 passes
   Yes-102 (66%)
   No-53 (34%)
   7 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided


Sounds pretty good.

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PowerToThePeople (4,683 posts)
1. Only military action I support is defense of direct invasion of USA homeland. n/t

Piles of poo-poo and used cars come to mind.

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Takket (624 posts)
2. voted no because...while isis is a brutal, borderline genocidal organization that I think needs to be dealt with, I don't believe it should be by us. there are 200+ countries in the world that find them untenable. and many of them have militaries. if people care about stopping them, they shouldn't all be staring at us waiting for us to do something.

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Comrade Grumpy (8,684 posts)
3. Yes, by Iran, Turkey, Iraq, and Syria.

The Turks and the Iranians are the local regional powers.

Iraq and Syria are the ones beset by ISIS. And Lebanon, too, now.

These countries need to overcome their political rivalries and sectarian differences and wipe these ****ers out. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, at this point, this is a struggle of civilization against barbarism.

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Scootaloo (12,551 posts)
5. I'm iffy

By now, it's pretty clear that the Iraq military either lacks the capability or the will to stand up against ISIS. I suppose i really can't blame them, Iraqis have been living under the horror of war for nearly forty years now.

But regardless, this leaves ISIS free reign to do as they please. And "as they please" seems to involve killing a bunch of people who can't fight back.

I believe in humanitarian interventions. Iraq is not capable. And I don't know if Iraq is going to allow Iran, or Turkey, or Syria to operate against ISIS within Iraq - But I know Iraq allows the US to do so.

So if we have the ability and the means, should we sit back and go "yeah no, you're on your own. Sorry for fueling this frnkenstein's monster that's slaughtering your asses, but, ah, gotta go!"

There was a poem around the time of WWII about 'First he came for the...[add group here]'... It's oddly symbolic about the DUmpmonkiez and their views of the world.

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sabrina 1 (45,599 posts)
14. What personnel are we supposedly protecting over there? I thought we left. Mercenaries

are there, which means there must be some US troops still in the country because airc, our laws do not support mercs being there unless they are 'supporting the US Military'.

But we knew that.

So all we have to do is get the personnel out, as we were forced to do recently in Libya.

The regional powers there can handle these extremists. Granted we cause all of this, with our illegal invasions and support for some of the worst militants, see Libya eg.

The best thing we can do to try to correct that grotesque crime perpetrated by the Cheney/Bush regime and whoever helped them get it started, is to start PROSECUTING our War Criminals and then take their ill gotten gains to pay reparations to the victims of those crimes.

So now we have a new 'enemy'. Let someone who is likely to SUCCEED where we totally failed, take care of it. Because our record of 'success' has been heartbreakingly dismal.

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21. ISIS is just another "made up" enemy eom

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Autumn (16,998 posts)
28. No. there are other powers in the Middle East who need to step up and deal with this problem.

It's their countries that these crazy ****s want to take back to the stone age.

You missed the video about the ISIS spokesman saying they will be victorious after the Black Flag of Jihad is flying over the White House.

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DonCoquixote (7,771 posts)
35. I will admit, Isis is evil

and I will furthermore say that the fact this was the alternative to Saddam makes me think less of the Iraqi people.

However, the last thign we need is to get involved, especially as israel is rampign up it's war with Syria whcih will be a war with Iran which will be the war to establish a greater Israel that has been on back order since Clinton. Is it any accident that Bibi felt free to ramp up the war while isis was threatenign Syria and iraq? BYW, a lot of these isis types were the same "Freedom fighters" Hillary wanted to back, and, when she become president, probably WILL back.

Israel is in a war with Syria? Gaza is on the west side of Israel. Syria on the east...

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Star Member TheKentuckian (19,954 posts)
61. Nope, we have done all we are capable and willing to do. Any number of countries have

the required air superiority for the espoused mission including Arab nations. Hell, Iran is next door, is friendly with the government, and is capable but we are still playing our games.

Add to that we are unwilling to actually do anything that would put the region in order and it seems beyond pointless, there will ever be wolves and radicals and we have no intent or will to break them.

It is crazy that many of the same folks that want to keep poking the bear are squeamish and outraged at Israel for doing what must be done to contain the crazies. No, most of the people aren't the crazies but enough of them are and they have enough influence "with more moderate factions" that they cannot effectively be separated.

One might despise Israel methods but they are able to wrap their minds around what is being dealt with and we are to interested in other toxic agendas, resource control, right wing economics, and naivete to do shit but shoot ourselves in the foot while destroying all we touch.

Maybe the martyrdoms would motivate the folks in the region to change paths and separate themselves from the radicals. We have the stop disregarding the batshit fundamentalism and warrior nature of the broad culture and we have to stop feeding the crazy in what we think of as unrelated efforts but they do not.

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Re: Why leftists should not be in charge of anything.
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2014, 08:09:38 PM »
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5. I'm iffy

By now, it's pretty clear that the Iraq military either lacks the capability or the will to stand up against ISIS.
Maybe they would have if your lord and savior Obama hadn't left them hanging. I am surprised he has two kids he has pulled out so much.
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Re: Why leftists should not be in charge of anything.
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 10:28:20 PM »
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The best thing we can do to try to correct that grotesque crime perpetrated by the Cheney/Bush regime and whoever helped them get it started, is to start PROSECUTING our War Criminals and then take their ill gotten gains to pay reparations to the victims of those crimes.

The very people you purport are bUsHhItLercHeNy!!!111eLeBiNty!! victims are the ones being slaughtered, beheaded, crucified, buried alive, burned alive and shot on the back of the head.  Are they ones you are going to help with reparations?  What were they victims of?

From oil we didn't steal?  Uh -huh.

From bullion that was still there?  Check.

 :thatsright:

Well, hope they get the check before ...



well. ... you know.

Oh, they're not allowed to be:



Well, put me down for a buck.
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Re: Why leftists should not be in charge of anything.
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 10:31:45 PM »
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These countries need to overcome their political rivalries and sectarian differences and wipe these ****ers out. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, at this point, this is a struggle of civilization against barbarism.

Uh-huh.  You came by this reality how, you stupid m*th*rf**ker?
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Re: Why leftists should not be in charge of anything.
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 10:33:10 PM »
It's amazing how it wasn't before but it is now.
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Re: Why leftists should not be in charge of anything.
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 10:35:16 PM »
Quote from: Chris_ on August 10, 2014, 10:33:10 PM
It's amazing how it wasn't before but it is now.

Can't imagine what's different.   ::)
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Re: Why leftists should not be in charge of anything.
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 10:44:32 PM »
The only reason the DUmmies give a shit about Muslims killing people in Iraq is because it makes Obama look weak and ineffectual like everyone with a brain knew he was.

The world is headed for hell and there is no world leader except for Putin, and he's one of the horses pulling the cart.
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Re: Why leftists should not be in charge of anything.
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 11:12:17 PM »
Let me think about this.

ISIS is worse than al Qaeda, they are threatening to come here and we have a 1200 mile border that's wide open to who ever wants to cross.

Nah....they'll never come here or do anything to us.  Let's not get involved.



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Re: Why leftists should not be in charge of anything.
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2014, 07:25:09 AM »
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 These countries need to overcome their political rivalries and sectarian differences and wipe these ****ers out. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, at this point, this is a struggle of civilization against barbarism.

Hey DUmmie, you really aren't paying attention are you.  The ISIS wants to kill anyone that doesn't agree with their brand of Islam.  The Peshmerga are the only thing that resembles a fighting force in the area, but even they need our help.
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