Apparently we have made the screeching, howling harpies look bad

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Peacetrain (12,887 posts)

Millennial women do not want to be identified as Feminists..
   
I was listening to one of the morning shows, and they did this story on how young women do not want to be identified as Feminists.. One young woman came on and said, all the victories have been won, we no longer need to call ourselves that.. we are just for human rights..

John is sitting on the couch ..looks over at me.. and I just shook my head.. sort of taken aback.

The right has fully succeeded in demonizing the term.. (Rush Limbaugh leading the way with Femi-nazi) .. and its sad. My great grandmother was a suffragette.. I of course do not identify as a suffragette.. so on one little scale I can understand it.. The battle must seem won..

In actuality they are anything BUT won. Attacks on rights to birth control and safe abortions are in full swing.

My guess is that if you asked them individually if they were for preserving this right or that.. it would be a big yes.. but the term has been so abused.. they may run from it.

I went through this with liberal vs progressive.. I still and will always term myself a liberal. But I understand progressives have the same wants and values I do.. I just refuse to have the term taken from me.

It is just so sad to see how effectively the right demonizes us as groups..

But especially this battle. for reproductive rights.. is anything but won.. and women around the world are under attack like I have never seen in my life time.

So to the younger women who do not want to embrace the term.. I understand.. but please take this little piece of advice from one of the older feminists.. do not let anyone use an attack on terms of how people identify as a group to keep you from staking a claim for your rights.

hlthe2b (50,952 posts)

1. Just as RW has managed to demonize the term "liberal"....

Not so ironically, there is a lot of cross-over with RW and misogynists. Young girls, sadly, are susceptible to this kind of manipulation...

TheSarcastinator (129 posts)

2. yes, those girls are just misinformed, stupid and confused, right?

They need someone smart and informed to explain it to them, right?

You do realize you sound exactly like those you would criticize, don't you?

xmas74 (25,348 posts)

42. As the mother of a teenage girl
 
yes, they are misinformed. I hear it on a regular basis from my daughter's friends. They've been taught that feminists are man-haters, that feminists want to dominate men, that they want to make men subservient.

I've heard that only lesbians can be feminists. I've heard that feminists cannot be nurturers of any shape or form since they "run away and leave their kids." I've heard that feminists want to break up families and want to force women and men both to abandon any traditional roles.

I've tried to correct those assertions but it doesn't always stick. (The arguments about lesbians is a whole 'nother can of worms which I've tried to address but that's another discussion.) My daughter, otoh, is proud to be a feminist. She said the other day that she's a feminist because she believes in equality. She said that we still need feminism because of every time her mother is qualified for a promotion and is passed over for a man with less experience and less seniority. (This happened yet again just about a week ago.)

My child is a proud feminist but most of her friends have no clue that it's a good thing. They only know about "feminazis" and picture feminists on par with the SS.

Sounds like another day at DU.

alp227 (26,699 posts)

41. YES! There are LOTS of people who support left-wing positions but shy away

from identifying as liberal! thanks to 25+ years of right wing talk radio and other orgs throwing around liberal, feminism, Democrat, etc as snarl words, lots of people who think they're voting in the interest of workers are conned into voting Republican and actually for BIG BUSINESS!

And yet 25+ years of using "right wing talk radio" as snarl words has netted you nothing. Hell, you ****tards have even managed to exhaust people on the use of "RACISM!"

DURHAM D (20,533 posts)

4. I have several younger female friends who have
 
revisited this issue and are now referring to themselves as feminists. After Hobby Lobby one of them refers to herself as a radical feminist. All of them have apologized to me and my generation for not getting earlier.

JaneyVee (7,954 posts)

16. Don't worry ladies, feminism still has your back!

And a good man has it on your back.

loyalsister (7,668 posts)

23. It's like the people who claim to be "colorblind"

and want to believe that racism no longer exists. As a person with an invisible disability, I hear it in that context as well. I and most of my friends who are racial minorities want to be seen. We want to claim our history and our rights.
I wonder what it would take for women to take pride in their gender.

Martin Luther King: what the **** did that ****** know, anyway![/du]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025311368

[thundley4]

But especially this battle. for reproductive rights.. is anything but won.. and women around the world are under attack like I have never seen in my life time.

Dear DUmmie,
 
      No one has told you that you can't reproduce. We wish you wouldn't, but we aren't stopping you nor trying to stop you. 

Oh, you were talking about "the right" to kill an unborn baby as reproductive rights?  Maybe you should keep your legs closed, or use use any of the other methods than killing a baby. Hell, you can even take up clam diving and not have to worry about killing babies.

[Carl]

Do a poll of non primitive women aged 25-40 and you will find virtually none adhere to to anything feminist except the age old (and not even true) canard about only earning .xx on the dollar as a man.
That is where any desire of feminist equality ends.

[Dori]

Peacetrain (12,887 posts)

Millennial women do not want to be identified as Feminists..

I don't blame them.  They've probably figured out what a nasty bunch of men hating bitches they are, and these millennials have decided they don't want to be like them.

[freedumb2003b]

yes, they are misinformed. I hear it on a regular basis from my daughter's friends. They've been taught that feminists are man-haters, that feminists want to dominate men, that they want to make men subservient.

I've heard that only lesbians can be feminists. I've heard that feminists cannot be nurturers of any shape or form since they "run away and leave their kids." I've heard that feminists want to break up families and want to force women and men both to abandon any traditional roles.

Best freaking Concern Troll evah!

[ChuckJ]

alp227 (26,699 posts)

41. YES! There are LOTS of people who support left-wing positions but shy away

from identifying as liberal! thanks to 25+ years of right wing talk radio and other orgs throwing around liberal, feminism, Democrat, etc as snarl words, lots of people who think they're voting in the interest of workers are conned into voting Republican and actually for BIG BUSINESS!

I want correct you just a bit on this one, alpo. Lots of people, including most at the DUmp, who support left-wing positions have NOT shied away from identifying as liberal due to rightwing talk radio and other orgs. You've shied away from using the term "liberal" and replaced it with "progressive" because you are inherently dishonest. Normal and decent people have seen that most things associated with the word 'liberal' turn out being either batshit crazy or evil (or both). In an attempt to deceive these people, leftwing liars began using the term "progressive".

edit to add: Why have none of you guys instructed the Peacetrain to shut up and make a sandwich? I won't report you this time to the United Male Chauvinists International, but I can't promise I'll be so lenient next time.

[Mr Mannn]

To a rat, all women must be liberal voter because of...abortion. That is all women care about in a rat's eyes.
The simple fact that women have minds of their own, and can think outside of the box rats have set up is unthinkable to the rats.

[Chris_]

To a rat, all women must be liberal voter because of...abortion. That is all women care about in a rat's eyes.

The simple fact that women have minds of their own, and can think outside of the box rats have set up is unthinkable to the rats.

That's what happens when professional politicians and their followers stuff people into easily-identifiable holes.  They stop being people.

[98ZJUSMC]

DURHAM D (20,533 posts)

4. I have several younger female friends who have
 
revisited this issue and are now referring to themselves as feminists. After Hobby Lobby one of them refers to herself as a radical feminist. All of them have apologized to me and my generation for not getting earlier.   

[BlueStateSaint]

To a rat, all women must be liberal voter because of...abortion. That is all women care about in a rat's eyes.
The simple fact that women have minds of their own, and can think outside of the box rats have set up is unthinkable to the rats.

One can substitute almost any 'minority' group for 'women' and the same thing applies.  H5.

[jtyangel]

In actuality they are anything BUT won. Attacks on rights to birth control and safe abortions are in full swing.

spoiled liberal women and their first world problems while girls in the third world have acid thrown on their faces for going to school and women are stoned to death because they were raped. Excuse me while I consider your problems so juvenile and minor while the real war on women rages on in the lands of the people whose ass you constantly kiss and coddle ie the middle east and many south American countries(where it is acceptable to violate underage girls).

Pardon me while I give a shit about the real war on women and not the fabrication of American liberal women who are basically crying because they don't get what they want fully funded. One is a real issue; the other is the crying of adult toddlers.I'll let the left guess which is which. 


Edit to add, you all have done a fine job of degrading the terms yourself when you consider what I said above.

[jtyangel]

Actually it's probably true and I've enjoyed handing those new found feminists their ass on social media everytime they bring up the silly views around Hobby Lobby--successfully I might add and enough for those new found feminists to reconsider ever having an opinion on a topic they obviously don't grasp ever again.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Actually it's probably true and I've enjoyed handing those new found feminists their ass on social media everytime they bring up the silly views around Hobby Lobby--successfully I might add and enough for those new found feminists to reconsider ever having an opinion on a topic they obviously don't grasp ever again.

I wanna make YOU a sandwich.

[franksolich]

I wanna make YOU a sandwich.

<<<been wanting to make the lady a sandwich for a long time now.

[BlueStateSaint]

I wanna make YOU a sandwich.

Chivalry ain't dead!