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Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« on: July 07, 2008, 03:26:16 PM »
first, he decided to give his acceptance speech in front of 75K people in a football stadium, and now he is going
to attempt to emulate reagan and kennedy.  Obama's staff certainly is having big dreams today. 

bit isn't this an especially empty and craven gesture?  the berlin wall doesn't separate anyone or anything
anymore.  it was a symbol of tyranny and oppression when reagan and kennedy spoke before the brandenburgh
gate;  now it's a symbol of the fact that communism was a foolish idea all along.


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Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate; to evoke, Reagan, Kennedy. "Ich bin ein Obama"

WASHINGTON--A German friend passed along the news Saturday that local sources in Berlin are confirming that the Obama campaign was in contact with city authorities to discuss the possibility of presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) delivering an outdoor address in front of the Brandenburg gate. The thinking is Obama would follow in the footsteps of two very famous Cold War-era speeches of U.S. presidents speaking in Germany: JFK "Ich bin ein Berliner" and Reagan "tear down this wall." It would probably be Obama's only public speech during upcoming visits to Germany, France and England on a swing to include stops in Israel and Jordan. There is still no date for the trip. German news sources are reporting the Obama team is working on a visit during the "second half of this month".
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Spiegel Online International reports that an Obama visit to Berlin his month "looks likely" with Chancellor Angela Merkel and Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 03:47:52 PM »
NObamaNoWay is an empty suit, with an empty head, with dangerous ideas and plans.

Maybe he wants to kick-start a communist regime, right here at home.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 04:04:22 PM »
Yet more proof that liberals want to shove him into the mold of leaders past. Kind of telling isn't it?
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 05:34:54 PM »
What kind of announcement is he going to make?  That along with a reconstituted USSR...he's going to help bring the glory of the former DDR back to the world stage?
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 05:48:35 PM »
Quote from: TheSarge on July 07, 2008, 05:34:54 PM
What kind of announcement is he going to make?  That along with a reconstituted USSR...he's going to help bring the glory of the former DDR back to the world stage?

I suspect he will seize upon the theme of unity, and compare the reunification of east and west germany to the unity that he is creating to heal the "racial divide" in the U.S. 

that is just a guess.

 
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 05:52:35 PM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on July 07, 2008, 04:04:22 PM
Yet more proof that liberals want to shove him into the mold of leaders past. Kind of telling isn't it?

I suspect that he is picking reagan because he is a cherished figure to both conservatives as well as the
all important "reagan democrats" that both candidates are wooing.

and kennedy because he is a democrat icon, despite the fact that if he was alive today, he wouldn't have
won his own state's primary IMHO.

but he does seem to be searching for a "mold".  a good point, Dixiebelle.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2008, 05:55:33 PM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on July 07, 2008, 04:04:22 PM
Yet more proof that liberals want to shove him into the mold of leaders past. Kind of telling isn't it?
When you are a shrimp, it is a really bad idea to stand in a giant's shadow.

I think it would be great -- everyone will be able to see how he is completely the opposite of Reagan.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2008, 05:56:16 PM »
Quote from: Wretched Excess on July 07, 2008, 05:52:35 PM
Quote from: DixieBelle on July 07, 2008, 04:04:22 PM
Yet more proof that liberals want to shove him into the mold of leaders past. Kind of telling isn't it?

I suspect that he is picking reagan because he is a cherished figure to both conservatives as well as the
all important "reagan democrats" that both candidates are wooing.

and kennedy because he is a democrat icon, despite the fact that if he was alive today, he wouldn't have
won his own state's primary IMHO.

but he does seem to be searching for a "mold".  a good point, Dixiebelle.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2008, 08:30:45 PM »
I don't think they're going to be able to get his head through doors pretty soon !
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2008, 09:40:58 PM »
For someone who is running on "Change" he sure seems to be trying to relive the past. Hmmmm.....
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 02:24:49 PM »
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 02:28:58 PM »
Yep, that Obama is a uniter.  Not even President yet and he's already pissing our allies off.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2008, 10:34:58 AM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on July 08, 2008, 02:24:49 PM
Ruh Roh.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4295713.ece

the same story, but a more wicked twist:

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Barack Obama's planned visit to Europe later this month has thrust him into a diplomatic kerfuffle that threatens to undercut one of the cornerstones of his foreign policy: the notion that, unlike President Bush, he will listen to and work harmoniously with governments allied with the United States.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2008, 07:56:22 AM »
Wonder which side of the Brandenburg gate the Obamessiah will stand on.....

Anyways, it's just so the media can compare him to Kennedy and Reagan... when really he should be compared to the likes of Mondale and Carter. Marx and Engles too.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2008, 07:58:42 AM »
Quote from: Atomic Lib Smasher on July 21, 2008, 07:56:22 AM
Wonder which side of the Brandenburg gate the Obamessiah will stand on.....

Anyways, it's just so the media can compare him to Kennedy and Reagan... when really he should be compared to the likes of Mondale and Carter. Marx and Engles too.




Merkel 86'ed the Brandenburg Gate.  Instead he gets a munument to the defeat of Belgium.  Some are upset.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2008, 08:01:45 AM »
Quote from: Jim on July 21, 2008, 07:58:42 AM
Quote from: Atomic Lib Smasher on July 21, 2008, 07:56:22 AM
Wonder which side of the Brandenburg gate the Obamessiah will stand on.....

Anyways, it's just so the media can compare him to Kennedy and Reagan... when really he should be compared to the likes of Mondale and Carter. Marx and Engles too.




Merkel 86'ed the Brandenburg Gate.  Instead he gets a munument to the defeat of Belgium.  Some are upset.


Ruh-oh!


Oh well... sucks for the Obamatards.

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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2008, 08:15:09 AM »
Quote from: Jim on July 21, 2008, 07:58:42 AM
Merkel 86'ed the Brandenburg Gate.  Instead he gets a munument to the defeat of Belgium.  Some are upset.

It's a little more than that, lol. "Monumental gaffe" says Hot Air.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/20/obama-flunks-history-again/

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Team Obama has outdone themselves on symbolism with this choice. They’ve managed to make their hosts uncomfortable for a second time with their choice of rallying point, and perhaps more so this time. If one wanted to talk peace, what worse location could one choose than Adolf Hitler’s favorite monument to militaristic domination? One has to wonder how France, Denmark, and Austria will feel about Obama rallying German masses under the Siegessäule. Deja vu?
Obama could be excused for his gaffe, except for two reasons.  His team certainly understood the historical weight that the Brandenburg Gate would have lent his event, so why didn’t they bother to ask the Germans about the Siegessäule?  Quite obviously, the Germans understand the meaning and subtext of the monument, and most of them wonder why Obama does not.  Maybe this is a better example of clueless Americans traveling abroad than those who can only say Merci, beaucoup.
The more basic question is why Obama feels the need to conduct a campaign event among Germans.  Meeting with foreign leaders makes sense for a man with no foreign policy experience whatsoever, but that doesn’t require massive rallies among people who aren’t voting in this election.  In his rush to look impressive for no one’s purposes but his own, Obama has made himself look ignorant and arrogant all over again.

Obama the Gaffe machine is still running full tilt toward oblivion.  :lmao:
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2008, 08:25:09 AM »
Oh that's too funny. This is what happens when you have 300 policy advisors.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2008, 11:04:33 AM »
He is probably there to approach some former Stasi agents about joining the FBI, during his tenure, as consultants.
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Re: Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate
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