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Offline Mr Mannn

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Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« on: July 27, 2014, 03:18:05 PM »
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Freedom-Flotilla-II-set-to-sail-for-Gaza-from-Turkey-369065

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Freedom Flotilla II' set to sail for Gaza from Turkey
 Ankara gives flotilla green light and protection of Turkish Navy according to organizer, IHH, the same group behind the 2010 ,Mavi Marmara, flotilla.

Amid Israel's Operation Protective Edge to stop Hamas rocket fire from Gaza, a "Freedom Flotilla" was being organized in Turkey to bring humanitarian aid to the Hamas controlled Palestinian coastal enclave.

The flotilla being organized, called the "Freedom Flotilla II," is the successor of the Mavi Marmara flotilla that sought to break Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip in May 2010.

The new flotilla is being organized by the Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief" (Insani Yardim Vakfi), otherwise known as the IHH, the same organization behind the Mavi Marmara ship, which Israel Navy commandos boarded, killing nine aboard who attacked them.

Israel and the US have both labelled the IHH a terrorist organization.

IHH chairman Bulent Yildrim told local Turkish media last week that the activists will set sail as they had received permission from the authorities in Ankara and that the Turkish Navy will provide protection. 

Diplomatic officials said Jerusalem was following the reports carefully, but stressed that it was not clear whether the flotilla would ultimately set sail.

So far there has only been a declaration of intent, with no firm date set, one official said.
Break a naval blockade in time of war? Prepare to be sunk.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2014, 04:39:52 PM »
Puts us in a pretty awkward spot, since Turkey is a NATO ally and Israel isn't.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2014, 04:48:54 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on July 27, 2014, 04:39:52 PM
Puts us in a pretty awkward spot, since Turkey is a NATO ally and Israel isn't.
Not really. Obama will do nothing as usual. he might spout off a few words from the golf course, but two US allies won't get anything more than that.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2014, 05:00:25 PM »
Do the Joooooos have submarines?

....and I bet they're quiet too.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2014, 05:01:22 PM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on July 27, 2014, 04:48:54 PM
Not really. Obama will do nothing as usual. he might spout off a few words from the golf course, but two US allies won't get anything more than that.

So, yes, it will play into his diplomatic strengths...

My money's on the US standing aside and hand-wringing, perhaps with some pretense of trying to get both of them to walk it back a bit.  Since we have a lot more leverage with Israel due to giving them a lot more aid annually, I expect Israel will receive the most pressure from Kerry and his minions, despite being far and away the most-injured party.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2014, 05:13:28 PM »
This didn't turn out too well the last time they tried it.

9 activists were killed. 



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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2014, 05:16:38 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on July 27, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
Do the Joooooos have submarines?

....and I bet they're quiet too.

Yes. They're modern diesel-electric boats. They carry both cruise missiles and torpedoes.

The Arab Palis and IHH want to force on Israel a choice between letting the (euphemized, unacknowledged) munitions enter Gaza or be embroiled with the Turkish Navy. Turkey looks like it will allow its Navy to be used for the Arab Palis' purpose.

I can't speculate how, but I don't think this will go well for the Arab Palis or the IHH (I assume it's Turkish and means something different, but the "I" in that acronym seems pretty appropriate for to this speaker of English). And possibly not the Turkish Navy.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2014, 08:38:30 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on July 27, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
Do the Joooooos have submarines?

....and I bet they're quiet too.

Of course they're quiet... They just sit in the corner, in the dark, alone...
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2014, 08:52:48 PM »
Quote from: docstew on July 27, 2014, 08:38:30 PM
Of course they're quiet... They just sit in the corner, in the dark, alone...
They probably move through the water better since they're circumcised.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2014, 09:42:29 PM »
Quote from: Chris_ on July 27, 2014, 08:52:48 PM
They probably move through the water better since they're circumcised.

I think that just makes them feel like they're going faster, whether they really are or not.  Thundley was a submariner, wasn't he?  If so, he could probably tell us for sure.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2014, 12:07:13 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on July 27, 2014, 09:42:29 PM
I think that just makes them feel like they're going faster, whether they really are or not.  Thundley was a submariner, wasn't he?  If so, he could probably tell us for sure.

We aren't allowed to speak about submarine capabilities.  :rofl:
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2014, 02:07:57 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on July 27, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
Do the Joooooos have submarines?

....and I bet they're quiet too.

Yes, they do.

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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2014, 10:11:08 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on July 27, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
Do the Joooooos have submarines?

....and I bet they're quiet too.

They're quiet alright, right up until the BANG!!! just before you go swimming a lot.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2014, 11:49:15 AM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on July 28, 2014, 10:11:08 AM
They're quiet alright, right up until the BANG!!! just before you go swimming a lot.
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Re: Turkish Navy to give protection to Freedom Flotilla II. (Act of WAR)
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2014, 12:00:26 PM »
Quote from: SVPete on July 27, 2014, 05:16:38 PM
... And possibly not the Turkish Navy.

Be interesting to see how well they learned their ASW lessons, won't it?
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