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Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« on: July 07, 2008, 11:54:35 AM »
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MINNEAPOLIS —  Northwest Airlines says it's investigating after the nose cone on one of its planes was damaged during flight.

The plane had been scheduled to fly to Minneapolis from Tampa, Florida. But that flight was delayed after the plane was damaged sometime during a flight between Detroit and Tampa.

Retired Northwest pilot Richard Duxbury says the plane was likely hit by something, possibly a bird. He says bird strikes can be a significant safety issue.

The airline hasn't confirmed that a bird hit the plane. In a statement, Northwest says none of the passengers or crew members were hurt in the incident.

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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 12:02:00 PM »
Bird strike was my first thought.  They are no joke at all.





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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 12:16:43 PM »
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Retired Northwest pilot Richard Duxbury says the plane was likely hit by something . . . .

honestly, what are the alternative explanations?  it taxied into something?

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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 12:27:28 PM »
Looks like the co-pilot's foot got hung under the gas pedal and he had a struggle pulling it free.

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 12:28:23 PM »
Looks like the co-pilot's foot got hung under the gas pedal and he had a struggle pulling it free.

That was one hell of a tug.
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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 12:33:54 PM »
Looks like the co-pilot's foot got hung under the gas pedal and he had a struggle pulling it free.

That was one hell of a tug.

Not really.  They are all big flying beer cans.

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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2008, 12:41:37 PM »
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Retired Northwest pilot Richard Duxbury says the plane was likely hit by something . . . .

honestly, what are the alternative explanations?  it taxied into something?
Stuck its nose where it didn't belong.   :-)
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2008, 12:53:28 PM »
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Retired Northwest pilot Richard Duxbury says the plane was likely hit by something . . . .

honestly, what are the alternative explanations?  it taxied into something?
Stuck its nose where it didn't belong.   :-)

ah.  a fight with another airplane.  that could be . . . 

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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2008, 12:56:34 PM »
Are there any dented walls at the airport???
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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2008, 01:34:51 PM »
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Retired Northwest pilot Richard Duxbury says the plane was likely hit by something . . . .

honestly, what are the alternative explanations?  it taxied into something?
Looks like someone needs to patch it and blow it back up.

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2008, 02:49:18 PM »
Looks like Superman got it in the ass.

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2008, 03:01:48 PM »
Looks like Superman got it in the ass.


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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 05:04:52 PM »
Looks like the co-pilot's foot got hung under the gas pedal and he had a struggle pulling it free.

Naw, just a DUmmy that got carried away trying to suck-start one of the engines.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2008, 03:21:06 AM »
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Retired Northwest pilot Richard Duxbury says the plane was likely hit by something . . . .

honestly, what are the alternative explanations?  it taxied into something?

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2008, 07:30:49 AM »
When airplanes pick their nose.
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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2008, 11:03:18 AM »
Unless it was blatant pilot error on the ground, the ONLY explanation is a bird strike. What strikes me odd is that one would THINK the pilot would have realized a bird strike. Good thing that it didn't hit the windscreen.....  :o
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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2008, 12:41:18 PM »
Unless it was blatant pilot error on the ground, the ONLY explanation is a bird strike. What strikes me odd is that one would THINK the pilot would have realized a bird strike. Good thing that it didn't hit the windscreen.....  :o

Airliner windshields are designed to shrug off a bird strike, but the nose is generally covered by a composite structure that is transparent to radar, as the aircraft's radar antennas are located behind the "radome" in the nose.  I'd say he either hit a bird, or overshot the marks during parking at the ramp, and hit the building (I've seen that happen, and it is really embarassing!).

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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2008, 12:57:08 PM »
Unless it was blatant pilot error on the ground, the ONLY explanation is a bird strike. What strikes me odd is that one would THINK the pilot would have realized a bird strike. Good thing that it didn't hit the windscreen.....  :o

Airliner windshields are designed to shrug off a bird strike, but the nose is generally covered by a composite structure that is transparent to radar, as the aircraft's radar antennas are located behind the "radome" in the nose.  I'd say he either hit a bird, or overshot the marks during parking at the ramp, and hit the building (I've seen that happen, and it is really embarassing!).

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The nose was dented in though.  If he struck the building, you'd think it would be flatter.  I'm convinced it's a bird strike myself.

As for the windshield part, you'd think military aircraft would be better protected then civilian aircraft.  And look at what that bald eagle did to that C-130 in those pictures I posted.
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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2008, 01:14:23 PM »
Unless it was blatant pilot error on the ground, the ONLY explanation is a bird strike. What strikes me odd is that one would THINK the pilot would have realized a bird strike. Good thing that it didn't hit the windscreen.....  :o

Airliner windshields are designed to shrug off a bird strike, but the nose is generally covered by a composite structure that is transparent to radar, as the aircraft's radar antennas are located behind the "radome" in the nose.  I'd say he either hit a bird, or overshot the marks during parking at the ramp, and hit the building (I've seen that happen, and it is really embarassing!).

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The nose was dented in though.  If he struck the building, you'd think it would be flatter.  I'm convinced it's a bird strike myself.

As for the windshield part, you'd think military aircraft would be better protected then civilian aircraft.  And look at what that bald eagle did to that C-130 in those pictures I posted.

I agree that it was a bird strike as well....which reminds me of an interesting story......Part of ceritfications standards testing for airliners here in the US (and I assume for military aircraft as well) there is a pneumatic "cannon" that fires dead chicken carcasses at the windshields and other parts of aircraft to simulate bird strikes.......some years ago, the Europeans decided to adopt this manner of testing, and after their first attempt, the FAA received a panic call from the euroweenies that the "chicken" not only penetrated the windshield, but also the bulkhead behind the cockpit, and ended up embedded in the galley cabinets.......causing millions in damage to the prototype being tested.

After examining the test data from the European testing agency, the FAA's reply was simply.......

...."you first have to thaw the chicken before use".......

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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2008, 01:15:57 PM »
Unless it was blatant pilot error on the ground, the ONLY explanation is a bird strike. What strikes me odd is that one would THINK the pilot would have realized a bird strike. Good thing that it didn't hit the windscreen.....  :o

Airliner windshields are designed to shrug off a bird strike, but the nose is generally covered by a composite structure that is transparent to radar, as the aircraft's radar antennas are located behind the "radome" in the nose.  I'd say he either hit a bird, or overshot the marks during parking at the ramp, and hit the building (I've seen that happen, and it is really embarassing!).

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The nose was dented in though.  If he struck the building, you'd think it would be flatter.  I'm convinced it's a bird strike myself.

As for the windshield part, you'd think military aircraft would be better protected then civilian aircraft.  And look at what that bald eagle did to that C-130 in those pictures I posted.

I agree that it was a bird strike as well....which reminds me of an interesting story......Part of ceritfications standards testing for airliners here in the US (and I assume for military aircraft as well) there is a pneumatic "cannon" that fires dead chicken carcasses at the windshields and other parts of aircraft to simulate bird strikes.......some years ago, the Europeans decided to adopt this manner of testing, and after their first attempt, the FAA received a panic call from the euroweenies that the "chicken" not only penetrated the windshield, but also the bulkhead behind the cockpit, and ended up embedded in the galley cabinets.......causing millions in damage to the prototype being tested.

After examining the test data from the European testing agency, the FAA's reply was simply.......

...."you first have to thaw the chicken before use".......

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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2008, 01:41:00 PM »
And here is a picture of the crew:


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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2008, 02:35:43 PM »
A bird strike to the windscreen would still crack it and make it tough to see through. Being an Avionics Tech on military aircraft, I've seen a few bird strikes and the results thereof. Probably the only thing messed up was either the TCAS or weather radar antenna.





The latter image was from a bird strike with a Canada Goose. Remarkably similar to the current situation.

I guess the techs are going to have to remove and replace the radar antenna....
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Re: Nose Cone on Northwest Plane Pushed in During Flight
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2008, 06:08:29 PM »
I guess the techs are going to have to remove and replace the radar antenna....

Commercial planes have radar?

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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2008, 06:43:30 PM »
I guess the techs are going to have to remove and replace the radar antenna....

Commercial planes have radar?
No, the pilots just stick their head out the window and look for landmarks.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2008, 08:56:09 PM »
I guess the techs are going to have to remove and replace the radar antenna....

Commercial planes have radar?
No, the pilots just stick their head out the window and look for landmarks.


my understanding was that the pilots took all instruction from ATC, and were about as much in the decision making process on where they were going as a railroad engineer... (except of course, in case of emergencies).  If i am sorely mistaken, I hereby state my apologies