Manny Makes Mess of Ukrainian Poll.
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MannyGoldstein (27,780 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025260534
War in Ukraine: who's to blame?
I'm curious as to how many folks know how the Ukraine catastrophe started?
15 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Putin's fault.
8 (53%)
Obama's fault.
0 (0%)
Bankers/Oligarchs: Obama and Putin are just doing their bidding.
0 (0%)
Ethnic beefs stretching over eons.
4 (27%)
Other.
3 (20%)
0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
What kind of pu$$y-assed f@gg0t votes "do not wish to make a selection" on a ****ing poll?
betterdemsonly (551 posts)
2. The neocons wanted to punish Putin for defying them on Syria
Obama unfortunately thought at least one of them was fit to serve in the State Department. She is PNAC Robert Kagan's wife Victoria Nuland. She bankrolled the coup against their elected President buy enticing the Eu banking elites with promises austerity.
Obama is doing their bidding, mostly because he is kind of clueless on foreign policy and just goes along with Washington Consensus.
Oh... I didn't see that one coming. I will count that under
BUSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!NuclearDem (8,399 posts)
3. Iran.
They've been planning to undermine Western democracies for years, and now they have access to Chernobyl. We have evidence of the pro-Russian splinter groups working with Iranian intelligence to extract nuclear material from the buildings, seemingly to use in their nuclear program.
wait for it...
NuclearDem (8,399 posts)
4. *******it, sorry, ****ing Cheney got to the computer again.
What an asshole.[/b]
BainsBane (27,282 posts)
5. Since there is no option for Russia, I put Putin
They invaded the country. It's their mess.
Spider Jerusalem (17,654 posts)
6. How did it start? the same way the mess in Northern Ireland started.
Way back, about 300 years ago, one of the tsars decided it'd be a jolly idea to colonise the Ukraine with ethnic Russians. This map tells you everything you need to know about that:
It's not a bad map. BUT- Stalin in the 1930s did the same thing- a bit better. Hilter did a great job at it in the 40s. Stalin finished it up in the 50s.
My mother's family had been in the Kiev area for 500 years. Between Hitler and Stalin? All gone.
Luhansk and Donetsk are the two separatist regions in the east, where the percentage of native Ukrainian-language speakers is under 50%.
betterdemsonly (551 posts)
8. Not so simple
The Ukraine was a part of greater Russia from medieval times, longer than the US has existed.
Star Member betterdemsonly (551 posts)
10. Well now that everyone is born in places where they dont' belong
what do you propose be done. Most Americans don't belong here. Most Israelis don't belong in Israel, which is the prime concern of most anti-putin Hawks! Do you propose ethnic cleansing, after generations and generations?
The whole thing melts down into smelly name calling- DUmpmonkiez flinging poo, as they are want to do...
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