http://www.democraticunderground.com/1093914Oh my.
Well, one's got to admit this issue beats anything in the General Discussion forum, where Great Issues of Significant Importance are
supposed to be discussed, but the primitives instead are slandering a certain corporation and gossiping about members no longer among them, as if it's one great big
kaffeeklatsch.
2banon (3,299 posts) Sun Jul 6, 2014, 04:59 PM
This is weird. I Found a Dead Rat in the Chicken Coop. How did that happen?
Did the hens kill that rat? Is that possible, likely?
I understand how rats enter the coop at night to try and get access to the chicken feed, they've been burrowing/tunnelling their way in and out.. but i do not for the life of me understand how/why a rat would be found dead in the chicken coop yard. It couldn't have been dropped from the sky or tree branches above by a predator, like a hawk or racoon, because there's a "ceiling" made of hardware "cloth", as part of the coop structure.
I'm completely baffled. Anyone have experience with this please weigh in!
NYC_SKP (59,631 posts) Sun Jul 6, 2014, 05:07 PM
1. Haven't seen that exactly, but...
...sometimes a critter will just be ill and expire wherever they happen to be.
^^^grew up on an apricot or asparagus or artichoke farm in one of the valleys of southern California, and so would know this stuff.
2banon (3,299 posts) Sun Jul 6, 2014, 05:17 PM
2. Thanks. That kind of worries me..
We don't set out poison for them, we do set out traps, but that hasn't seemed to have made much of an impact, so at night we're careful about removing the feeder from the coop, storing in a covered bin (rat proofed).. found the dead rat this afternoon, body had not "stiffened" yet. I was wearing garden gloves don't know if it was warm or cold. Wondering if those hens killed it.. you think it worked it's way in the coop just to die off there?
NYC_SKP (59,631 posts) Sun Jul 6, 2014, 05:21 PM
3. I wondered about poison.
If hens had killed it, I'd expect that some wounds would be evident, pecked out eyes and the like.
Hens can be defensive, it's certainly possible, but why the rat wasn't swift enough to escape from them is as baffling as anything.
2banon (3,299 posts) Sun Jul 6, 2014, 07:28 PM
5. Yeah, exactly what I was thinking..
I was so grossed out I didn't study the remains too closely, but at a glance I didn't see any evidence of being pecked to death. I bagged it quickly and put in the trash container.. that's when I noticed the body wasn't stiff yet. After disposing it, I tried to figure out how this happened.. Like you said, one would think the rat would escape quite quickly from any attack from the hens. so that's not likely. baffled.
hlthe2b (50,715 posts) Sun Jul 6, 2014, 06:57 PM
4. Close by neighbor set out rat poison? They don't kill immediately, so it might be possible
2banon (3,299 posts) Sun Jul 6, 2014, 07:37 PM
6. You probably have the right answer..
that's probably what happened. slow reaction. died in the coop trying to go after chicken feed but not making it.. The cat is very sick. I think she got into something. I have to take her to the vet tomorrow. I've had wait out the holiday weekend to avoid emergency vet hospital expenses. She's not drinking any water, nor eating at all. she struggled to eat one little kibble.
These aren't even my animals. I'm house-sitting my daughter's family's home, while they're away in Holland on holiday. I hope I don't have to give them bad news about any of the critters on their return..
JoeyT (6,355 posts) Sun Jul 6, 2014, 09:52 PM
7. A friend of mine has chickens that just roam loose during the day
and I've seen them follow the tractor around the field when we were breaking the ground up chasing down bugs, mice, and small snakes that were stirred up and eating them. They did kill a few mice/small rats that were too big to eat, but they weren't like huge wood rats or anything. So I guess it would sort of depend on how big of a rat it was.
2banon (3,299 posts) Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:24 AM
8. Not a huge rat. I'd say it was about 8 or 9 inches long, roughly.
I've seen much bigger rats in my day.. not a field mice. It happens that this is an urban situation. Oakland Ca. The back yard borders on a wooded creek that cuts through parts of the flatland area. Lots of racoons, squirrels, even spotted a couple of hawks and falcons in the area preying on the hens when they were chicks. Oh, and naturally tons of rats. What we need are owls!
The hens have to be penned up to keep from both destroying the vegetable garden, which they are wont to do, and from "flying the coop" ending up in a neighbors frying pan, which has happened with one.
Thanks for sharing your story, I had no idea chickens would even go after mice. The rat found in the coop, seemed to be ignored by the hens in this case. I just went to feed them kitchen scraps which they were impatiently waiting for.
I bet the hens in your friends farm are really healthy critters and good layers!
