Why haven't any "open carry" activists been shot by cops like blacks waving wall

[dutch508]

yurbud (33,921 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025211932

Why haven't any "open carry" activists been shot by cops like blacks waving wallets?

or a Latino kid walking around with a bb gun that looks like an assault rifle?

Blacks and Latinos WITHOUT real weapons are shot and killed on the suspicion that they MIGHT have them.

If I was a cop and I saw a bunch of guys walking into a business with assault rifles slung over their shoulders, I might reasonable assume they were going to rob it or go postal since you don't need an AR-15 to pick up items at Target or shovel food into your mouth at a restaurant.

I do not wish those idiots any harm. But if the cops take down one or several of them even once, they hardly have room to complain since it is a regular occurrence for non-whites SUSPECTED of having a gun.

Yeah... uh.. no.

ZombieHorde (26,708 posts)
3. Probably several reasons.

1) Open carry folks are generally white, which is a cop's favorite color.
2) Open carry folks are well armed, so they are a little harder to oppress.
3) Open carry folks seem less hippy like, and cops get boners when they punch hippies.

Punching Hippies... 

thesquanderer (1,502 posts)
48. Of course open carry folks are white.

Any black guy who open-carries might as well wear a t-shirt that says "Shoot me."

Because the only thing that stops a black guy with a gun is a white guy with a gun.

someone posted this photo at the DUmp.



plus a couple of others

heaven05 (5,698 posts)
117. all this deflection

from the real point is BS. Yes of course black men have their CDL and thank goodness, some do. Yet the furniture store bullshit, is just that, if the people who were at BUNDYLAND were black and did what transpired over those weeks of standoff, most if not all would be dead today. That's the point that everyone wants to dance around on this issue concerning the 'open carry' by fearful whites of that brown tyrant in the white house. An admission of open racism by this country's police forces would be appreciated and then solutions on bringing this behavior to a halt, in this culture, would also help. This intellectualizing mess is sickening

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goalposts moving in 3...2...1...

MineralMan (65,167 posts)
4. I don't know. My first response, though, to seeing someone doing open carry in some place like Target is going to be to call 911. When the operator answers, I'll provide my name and location and say that there is an openly armed man or armed men at that location and that I'm very concerned for my safety and for the safety of others.

I will expect a squad car to show up, too. Frankly, I think everyone should adopt that response as a personal policy. Armed subject calls should always receive a police response, since nobody is qualified to know whether they are there with peaceful or dangerous intent. If asked for a description, I will give one. If asked for the race of the carrier, I will ask why that matters and request an ETA for the squad to arrive.

I guarantee that I will call. And I'm a older white man with a very serious demeanor in such cases. The police will respond if I call.

and my first response as a police officer is to cite you for false reporting.

Llewlladdwr (2,156 posts)
7. Awesome idea!

Not only does it waste police resources, it harrasses people engaged in a lawful activity. It's a win-win!

I know! Right!?

MineralMan (65,167 posts)
8. You know what? I don't give a damn.

I do not know the intent of people I see who are openly armed in such a situation. I'm going to let the authorities figure that out. I'm guessing you wouldn't know their intent, either, unless you're part of the group.

If I see someone armed in a place like a business or public place, I'm making the call. They can explain their Second Amendment rights to the cops. How's that?

You can do as you please, too. I certainly will.

WARNING!!! BOUNCY APPROACHING!!!

1StrongBlackMan (11,764 posts)
78. My Dad (R.I.P.) was a cop ...

Though he was , largely a Law and Order" type, he was far from what would now be considered conservative/republican.

My sister dates cops ... the most recent one was a Deputy Sheriff and SWAT member. We had a lively dinner time discussion about the 2nd Amendment and President Obama's being an existential threat to the "right to bear arms." It was my first time meeting him; but he no longer speaks to me because of the discussion that followed my asking him two questions:

1) When is President Obama going to start taking your "right" to have guns? And,
2) Why is gun ownership so very important?

To the former, he answered "he already has (per rush, beck and Levine)." I asked him to research it and get back to me.

The dialogue following his answer to the second question stills provides me with hours of amusement (4 years later), as I recall watching his head explode. He, of course, answered we need the right to bear private arms to "protect us from the government!"

I asked him: "Your SWAT, right?"

RW Cop Guy: "That's right!"

Me: "When you're on a SWAY call, you deal with some pretty bad characters ... Huh?"

RW Cop Guy: "That's right!

Me: "And most of those bad guys are armed when you go after them, right?"

RW Cop Guy: "That's right!"

(At this point my Mom threw me that 'Don't do this' look that moms across the world are known for, when they know something bad is about to happen.)

Me: "Let me ask you ... When you and your guys go through that bad guy's door, is there ever a question in your mind that, no matter how many guns that bad guy has, no matter how many bad guys are with the bad guy you're going after ... at the end of the day, you and your guys are going to be the only ones with the guns and that bad guy, and everyone that gets in your way is going to be in handcuffs, dead, or dying?

RW Cop Guy: "That's right ... we're good at what we do and we have no fear."

(Mom's head dipped a bit, knowing what was coming next, because this was why my Law and Order Dad wasn't big on the 2nd Amendment.)"

Me: "So, what makes you think YOUR having a gun is going to matter? When/if the government ever decides to get your guns, it's gun over!"

RW Cop Guy without saying another word ... Left the table and left the restaurant.

Can someone explain the blackman's argument to me?

 

I mean... what? If the guns are all gone because the Government takes them all... it doesn't matter if police have guns? Is that his argument?

No wonder he walked away.

[Maxiest]

Llewlladdwr (2,156 posts)
7. Awesome idea!

Not only does it waste police resources, it harrasses people engaged in a lawful activity. It's a win-win!

Like pizza much?

Anyway, maybe because law abiding citizens no matter which color aren't running around waving their ****ing guns, robbing people, gang banging, and killing people.  You have to be a ****ing idiot to even ask this question.

Interestingly enough.  In our local Sheriffs election, the guy I am pulling for is getting all kinds of flack for the WHITE kid he shot down 14 years ago after the kid almost killed 3-4 people before hand, wrecked into the Troopers car, then ran, then when caught refused to take his hands out of his pockets.  He could have had skittles in there for all I care, he didn't follow verbal commands over and over and the officer had to make a split second decision when he pulled is hand out quickly.

And I could do a 3 second Google search and pull 100's of other stories.

So it happens to whites too you ****ing idiot.

[tanstaafl]

Can someone explain the blackman's argument to me?

I mean... what? If the guns are all gone because the Government takes them all... it doesn't matter if police have guns? Is that his argument?

No wonder he walked away.

I'd walk away. I'd be afraid stoopid that strong might be like the ebola, y'know, contagious.

Feets, don't fail me now.

[Big Dog]

yurbud (33,921 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025211932

Why haven't any "open carry" activists been shot by cops like blacks waving wallets?

I open carry regularly, so I can answer this question with some expertise.

Because **** you, that's why.

If I was a cop and I saw a bunch of guys walking into a business with assault rifles slung over their shoulders, I might reasonable assume they were going to rob it or go postal since you don't need an AR-15 to pick up items at Target or shovel food into your mouth at a restaurant.

Because cops, for the most part, have good judgment, and are not pants-wetting, pearl-clutching DUmb****s like yurbud.

[USA4ME]

1StrongBlackMan needs to change his name to 1StupidBlackMan, and then kill himself.

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[98ZJUSMC]

heaven05 (5,698 posts)
117. all this deflectionfrom the real point is BS.

Yes, inconvenient photographic evidence contrary to my meme is deflection.  Away with you

Yes of course black men have their CDL and thank goodness, some do.

Black men drive OTR trucks?  You learn something new every day.

Yet the furniture store bullshit, is just that, if the people who were at BUNDYLAND were black and did what transpired over those weeks of standoff, most if not all would be dead today.

Killed by the BLM.

That's the point that everyone wants to dance around on this issue concerning the 'open carry' by fearful whites of that brown tyrant in the white house. An admission of open racism by this country's police forces would be appreciated and then solutions on bringing this behavior to a halt, in this culture, would also help.

   Everyone must admit what they are not     Is there more?

This intellectualizing mess is sickening

Unless you, a member of the bestest, brightestest, most intellectual  on the innerwebz, do it, right?  The Pseudo-literate Ant Farm is sick.

2) Why is gun ownership so very important?

Because people like you exist.

To the former, he answered "he already has (per rush, beck and Levine)."

   

Said nobody ever.     

[thundley4]

Blacks and Latinos WITHOUT real weapons are shot and killed on the suspicion that they MIGHT have them.

Yet most of those killings are found to be justified because the perp was acting in a menacing manner and like they had a weapon. Most of them also occur in poorly lighted areas leading to the confusion.  Then there are the idiots that go waving around a BB gun or other toy gun like a real one, and some of them still look very real.

[GOBUCKS]

 

it is a regular occurrence for non-whites SUSPECTED of having a gun.

The number of non-whites killed unjustifiably by police approaches zero.

Nearly every instance of a police officer killing a suspect results in the world being a better place.

And why are DUmmies bringing race into the discussion of carrying a weapon?

Most 0bamaites cannot legally possess a firearm, open, concealed, or under the bed at home.

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Cops can't hit the side of a bard

I come to your threads just for the spelling.

[dutch508]

I come to your threads just for the spelling.

Hey, that's not a broad!

[JohnnyReb]

...and the cops didn't kill him.

A 19 year old well known to local law enforcement officers Obamason just yesterday ran over two local officers here. He has 13 arrests and cases against him still pending in court in the past year and a half (why is he still on the street). The charges range from carrying a pistol(2 separate charges), selling a pistol to a felon(2 separate charges), manufacture of illegal drugs(several charges and separate times), distributing illegal drugs( several charges), driving with suspended license(numerous times).....and on and on.

The Obamason was involved in a traffic accident that the officers just happened upon shortly after it happened. One officer asked him exist the car...he didn't. He gunned it striking both the female and male officers. The male officer gave high speed pursuit. About 10 miles away the criminal wrecked and ran into the woods. The officer couldn't give foot chase due to injuries. Helicopter and dogs couldn't  find him and they suspect someone helped him escape capture. Why was this asshole allowed to bond out after so many criminal incidents?

Some people just need killing.

Both officers will be alright but will need time to recover from their injuries.

[Gina]

Maybe the concealed carry permit people have common sense and don't go getting all giggity and acting like idiots?

[Karin]

CDL.      Bard.   

And no, I didn't understand Blackman's bouncy at all. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

And no, I didn't understand Blackman's bouncy at all.

He's trying to make the case that since SWAT teams are so awesomely awesome it would be futile to keep weapons to resist the government. Since it would be futile you stupid gun-clingers might as well surrender your guns right now.

[hillneck]

MineralMan (65,167 posts)
4.  I'm a older white man with a very serious demeanor in such cases. The police will respond if I call.

Because you're such a Billy badass, right.  Rock head do us a favor a just go away.

[Delmar]

Response to X_Digger (Reply #109)Tue Jul 8, 2014, 06:57 PM
heaven05 (5,706 posts)
117. all this deflection

from the real point is BS. Yes of course black men have their CDL and thank goodness, some do.

God bless you sir.

[dandi]

I don't get the DUmmies' pants-shitting fear of open carry demonstrators.

AFAIK, there has never been a mass shooting wherein a group of 3-4 guys walked in with rifles slung, and proceeded to sit down and enjoy a latte and a scone before opening fire.

In all the mass shootings incidents I read about, the perpetrator charges in with guns blazing, or has them hidden away in a bag or beneath a coat so there's little time to consider the "open carry" factor.

At any rate, I don't waste a lot of emotional energy cogitating over a fate that has less chance of befalling me than my getting struck by lightning and winning the lottery on the same day.

[dutch508]

He's trying to make the case that since SWAT teams are so awesomely awesome it would be futile to keep weapons to resist the government. Since it would be futile you stupid gun-clingers might as well surrender your guns right now.

But he's telling the COP that he doesn't need his gun if all the guns are gone? Right?

"So, what makes you think YOUR (the SWAT TEAM) having a gun is going to matter? When/if the government ever decides to get your guns, it's gun over!"

So maybe that is what he is saying after all... There is no point in resisting a tyrannical because they will always win?

EXCEPT one little thing called the American Revolution, where a bunch of little guys with guns stood up to a tyrannical government for their rights... and won.

[Airwolf]

So some tool is going to cause a business to shut down and lose money over the fact he saw someone open carry? He doesn't think for a minute that it maybe a cop going inside to make an arrest of some shoplifter or other type of perpetrator,just thinks it's cool to cause someone some grief because he has a cell phone and an IQ that is similar to lower forms of plant life. I hope it is a cop he calls that report in on then he can explain why he shouldn't get his ass hauled of to jail and get a big fat ticket

[GOBUCKS]

Unless he's in uniform or working behind the counter of a liquor store, open carry just makes a guy look like a silly nut, not a dangerous person.

[marv]

Unless he's in uniform or working behind the counter of a liquor store, open carry just makes a guy look like a silly nut, not a dangerous person.

When I went deer hunting, I open carried my holstered Colt revolver to be used for a coup de grâce if needed. Usually, about 9 or 10 in the morning, I'd stop at the deli in our grocery store for a sandwich or something before going home. I'd leave the rifle in the truck but not bother to unbuckle the Colt. Nobody ever bothered to complain - 'course this is the southwest Missouri Ozarks.

Missouri is an open carry state.

[DefiantSix]

Unless he's in uniform or working behind the counter of a liquor store, open carry just makes a guy look like a silly nut, not a dangerous person.

If you aren't acting like a jackass - like most of these "Open Carry Activist" clowns - you're absolutely wrong, sir. I have lived in 3 of the 4 "four corners" states (haven't had the misfortune to live in New Mexico yet) and open carried in all of 'em: carry yourself respectfully, and nobody bats an eye.

[GOBUCKS]

carry yourself respectfully, and nobody bats an eye.

Probably true. I've never lived in cowboy country.

But you can't read their minds, and most people don't bat an eye when they spot a harmless crackpot.

It doesn't bother me at all if a guy wants to go around with a five-pound Desert Eagle on his hip, or carrying a crate full of gerbils. Both should be legal, and neither one causes me to fear for my safety.

[landofconfusion80]

Probably true. I've never lived in cowboy country.

But you can't read their minds, and most people don't bat an eye when they spot a harmless crackpot.

It doesn't bother me at all if a guy wants to go around with a five-pound Desert Eagle on his hip, or carrying a crate full of gerbils. Both should be legal, and neither one causes me to fear for my safety.

A necessity at DU meetings.

[Big Dog]

If you aren't acting like a jackass - like most of these "Open Carry Activist" clowns - you're absolutely wrong, sir. I have lived in 3 of the 4 "four corners" states (haven't had the misfortune to live in New Mexico yet) and open carried in all of 'em: carry yourself respectfully, and nobody bats an eye.

Well said.

I open carry regularly. Motorcycle rides and rallies, rodeos (including the Sheriff's Posse Rodeo), cookouts, evenings out, or going to town for coffee on Saturday morning.

My .45 or .357 is holstered in custom leather, and I don't dress like Tommy Tacticool, a slob, or a whigger. Nobody would mistake me for a clown.

I never have a problem. More people pay attention to Velvet than to me, anyway.