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Mr. Will,

I came across your article titled "George Will: Colleges become the victims of progressivism" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-college-become-the-victims-of-progressivism/2014/06/06/e90e73b4-eb50-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html) I had to put down the article several times before being able to read it all. I could not write about an article I had not fully read and so read on I did.
 
Mr. Will, your article was like a tiny bit of vomit that gets stuck in my throat. I try to wash it down but I cannot seem to get rid of it. The aftertaste is horrible and I am stuck with it.
 
You obviously do not know anyone who has been raped so let me introduce myself. I am a 45 year old housewife and mother of two. I want you to get to know me so you cannot blindly make comments about that which you now nothing about.
 
In my early 20's I went to a party. It was at an apartment complex. There was drinking and we all ended up down at the pool. We were all having fun and the next thing I know, I am upstairs in the apartment with a guy I had been talking to. It was a someone I had never met before that night. We ended up on the bed making out but what is the harm in that because I can always say no, right?
 
Of course, in your article you talk about a woman who said no
(“No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish.") Saying 'no' seems to be no protection for her in your eyes. The guy can still persist and if the woman is less than adequate about speaking up, after she already has, then that is on her and the rape is her fault. So I assume, as I continue my story, that you will decide what follows is my fault as well.
 
We were making out on the bed. I had a white flowing dress on. It was something he could easily lift up with one hand. I saw that he was trying to gain access to me and decided to derail him. Mr. Will, maybe I could have spoken out at the time and perhaps the alcohol had clouded my judgement. At that moment I instinctually knew what he wanted and I felt he was not going to stop until he had reached his goal. Rightly or wrongly, I decided to barter with him. I offered up orally servicing him and in exchange I had hoped he would just go away when that was done. He accepted but that was not enough for him. After he was taken care of, to a certain degree, he decided he would have his just desserts. He climbed on top of me and spread my legs. I looked up at him and said no. I said it forcefully and it was not something he could have misunderstood. I said no and I meant it. He looked me in the eye and slid inside of me and, as he did, he said, "Too late." He had not been inside of me when I said no so it had not been too late. I had drawn a solid line and he crossed it.

I did not give my consent! I did not say yes and then change my mind afterward. It does not matter that I was drinking. It does not matter if I had originally said yes but changed my mind. When a woman says no then that is what needs to be abided by.
 
The moments afterwards were the icing on the cake. He got dressed and went out to party again. I stumbled into the hallway where I saw the girl who accompanied me to the party. She looked in my eyes and asked what was wrong. I cried and said the guy had forced himself on me. She followed me to the bathroom where she held my hair while the toilet held an equal mixture of tears and vomit. When I was finally done I looked up at her and said I wanted to go home. (her boyfriend had driven us there) She looked at me and said that her boyfriend wanted to stay there a while longer and maybe we could leave in an hour or two! I called a taxi and found my way home on my own.
 
In the wee hours of the morning I called my boyfriend of two years. I told him how this guy had forced himself on me and I cried. My boyfriend wanted me to call the police and said I needed to get help. The problem is when people who have been raped call the cops, they often get put on trial themselves. It is like you are getting raped a second time. And if I wasn't going to face the cops and be made to feel like it was my fault, then I was not going to get the help my boyfriend implored me to get. I told him if he wanted to talk about it then I could not be with him. I broke up with him then and there and never talked to him again. Two years gone in an instant.
 
I found a couple of my friends to be reminders of the incident as well. They seemed to be less than supportive of me and so they also went by the wayside.
 
I could not talk to my mom about it. Years before, my Uncle's friend had come onto me. I warned him to stay away and he did not. I broke his skin with my fingernails and my mom punished me, a teenager, rather than a 30 something year old man. She said I could have just moved away from the guy. Would she say the same thing about my rape?
 
Oh, there is that word - rape. I could not use it for several years afterward. I would always say, "When he did what he did to me." And, thankfully, my mind has protected me a lot from what happened. Once the guy said it was too late, and entered me, I cannot remember anything else he did. It is totally blocked out. My mind has been very merciful to me and I have no plans on going in and trying to undo the safety net it has afforded me.
 
When I finally could say 'rape' I also attached the word survivor. By claiming that word I took back so much power for myself. I was not cowering in the corner and hiding what happened to me. Instead, I survived and now was thriving. It would not have any hold over me. I was free.
 
But do you know what one of the hardest parts of the rape survival was for me? Making an appointment to be tested for STD's. I had no idea who this guy was and what his sexual habits were. A complete stranger caused me to go get tested and have to wait to see if I had gotten something temporary or maybe something worse. Would a stranger literally be the death of me? I was so relieved when I got the all clear results. But having to take that test was the final punch in the stomach after everything that happened.
 
The rape still effects me in small ways. I abhor the look people give you when you say what happened. I am strong and need no pity or looks of sadness but it always seems to be there. This is why I have rarely discussed this subject one on one and in person.
 
The other way it has effected me is quite the opposite. When someone speaks up and says something that reflects a lack of compassion or empathy for what others have gone through, I feel the need to publicly put a face to the words 'rape victims'. You see, Mr. Will, when someone speaks out about legitimate rape or how people will come forward in droves to claim they are victims, I have a deep seeded need to also come forward and say that this is what a rape 'victim' looks like. We are people with feelings and families. We are not here to advance some imaginary cause. We are not stepping stones for you to achieve a goal.
 
You and your ilk are the reason I did not come forward when I was raped. You make it that much harder for your wife, mother, sister or daughter to report when they have been sexually assaulted. You are the reason I have not regretted my silence for even a single day. I have talked to many people and because of people like you, they have also refused to come forward about their rapes. Mr. Will, if you are not part of the solution then what exactly are you?


Must not have been much of a boyfriend - she goes to a party without him and hooks up with some strange guy but this is enough to impress Pitt (takes little):

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15. I have posted this to BuzzFlash.com


because it is extraordinary.

If I have overstepped, say the word and I will remove it.


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Sorry,no matter what you want as a badge of feminist majesty you were not raped.
You had buyers remorse and are making an excuse.

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I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish
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Sounds like rapey-rapey-rapity-rape-rape-rape to me.  Perhaps your mind waves were just not putting out enough down twinkles.

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Sorry,no matter what you want as a badge of feminist majesty you were not raped.
You had buyers remorse and are making an excuse.

She should write a book.  She could discuss why she went upstairs with a guy and started making out on a bed even though she had a boyfriend of two years. She could then discuss how she fellated that guy even with a boyfriend of two years.  Any suggestions for a title?

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Some women do not have a choice. Some children do not have a choice. YOU had several choices:

You chose to go to the party knowing there would be alcohol (there's always alcohol at college parties).
You chose to drink.
You chose to drink too much.
You chose to go upstairs with him.
You chose to make out with him. Surely you weren't so ****ing stupid that you didn't know what goes on between two drunk college students when they go into a room alone.
You chose to stay in the room with him when you clearly didn't want to go any further when you could have gotten up and walked away.
Hell, you chose to step out on your boyfriend, that's pretty damn crappy.

I'm sick to death of women like you putting yourself in situations like this and then screaming about being a victim. You had several opportunities to prevent this from happening, includin not going there in the first place or getting up and leaving when things started going further than you wanted. But it's HIS fault? At what point do you accept responsibility for YOUR choices. A woman who gets pulled into an alley or has someone break into her home is NOT at fault. A child who really doesn't know what to do and is too afraid to say anything is NOT at fault. Shame on you for blaming someone else for your choices. You give all women a bad rap by insinuating we can't protect ourselves or take responsibility for our actions. Grow the **** up!

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15. I have posted this to BuzzFlash.com

because it is extraordinary.

If I have overstepped, say the word and I will remove it.

In other words: He didn't ask first. He just felt entitled and took what he wanted from her. 

Typical rich, drunken frat boy. His momma should've raised him better.    :fuelfire:
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In other words: He didn't ask first. He just felt entitled and took what he wanted from her. 

Typical rich, drunken frat boy. His momma should've raised him better.    :fuelfire:

Isn't this Pitt's usual line with a schoolgirl?

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It will reach the point where guys will have to have their girlfriends sign consent forms before engaging in anything sexual.

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I read the whole Will article in a matter of a couple of minutes. This demgurl primitive is a very weak individual. The only discussion of rape is pointing out how the gov't is now invading college campuses to enforce their will upon the college in several areas.

Will says:

"It is salutary that academia, with its adversarial stance toward limited government and cultural common sense, is making itself ludicrous. Academia is learning that its attempts to create victim-free campuses — by making everyone hypersensitive, even delusional, about victimizations — brings increasing supervision by the regulatory state that progressivism celebrates.

What government is inflicting on colleges and universities, and what they are inflicting on themselves, diminishes their autonomy, resources, prestige and comity. Which serves them right. They have asked for this by asking for progressivism."

IOW you made your "progressive, big gov't controls everything" bed, now lay in it. I have no argument against that.


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apres moi, le deluge

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I'm a woman too and while I was expecting this to be a real rape story it was not.  You give a guy a BJ then let him slide into you and you don't even struggle?  But wait!  You don't even at the beginning when you see he wants what you don't want to give, get up?  You decide "Oh I better give him a BJ"? 

Yeh I know "no means no" but you also have to admit you didn't struggle or even frown it appears. You didn't even stand up and say "I have to go" ::)






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It will reach the point where guys will have to have their girlfriends sign consent forms before engaging in anything sexual.

They're considering that in California.  http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/06/16/affirmative_consent_california_weighs_a_bill_that_would_move_the_sexual.html

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The California legislature is weighing a bill that would require college students to secure “affirmative consent” from their partners at every stage of sexual activity. If the bill is passed, colleges must use the legislature’s definition of consent in their sexual assault policies or risk losing state funding for student financial aid.

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 :lol:  and that piece of paper is worth nothing the minute the woman whispers "no".  I fear for my son.  The power a woman has over a man's life can be very scary.  Just like in the Duke "fake" rape claims. They were accused and innocent but their names will forever be tied to rape. 






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:lol:  and that piece of paper is worth nothing the minute the woman whispers "no".  I fear for my son.  The power a woman has over a man's life can be very scary.  Just like in the Duke "fake" rape claims. They were accused and innocent but their names will forever be tied to rape.

No, don't, stop.

No, don't stop.  :whistling:

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:lol:  and that piece of paper is worth nothing the minute the woman whispers "no".  I fear for my son.  The power a woman has over a man's life can be very scary.  Just like in the Duke "fake" rape claims. They were accused and innocent but their names will forever be tied to rape.

I had some very serious talks with my sons when they started dating.  I let them know what could happen to them if their advances were misunderstood and that some girls out of embarrassment might accuse them of a crime.

Same with working with kids.  My youngest was a soccer coach for some tween girls.  I put the fear of God into him then too.


 


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I had some very serious talks with my sons when they started dating.  I let them know what could happen to them if their advances were misunderstood and that some girls out of embarrassment might accuse them of a crime.

Same with working with kids.  My youngest was a soccer coach for some tween girls.  I put the fear of God into him then too.

back in college, there was this pitiful guy that hung around with a good friend of mine (the friend was far more patient than I could ever hope to be).  The friend invited this pitiful guy to a class where they were showing a movie thinking the pitiful guy might enjoy himself.  While they were seated somewhere near the back, the pitiful guy in front of my friend, a girl who knew the friend kept turning around and rolling her eyes about the movie, just playing around.  The pitiful guy took these as some sort of signals and really thought he was getting somewhere.  After the class, he followed this poor girl all the way back to her dorm in some futile effort to get a date.  It's a wonder he wasn't arrested for stalking or something during his college career.
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:lol:  and that piece of paper is worth nothing the minute the woman whispers "no".  I fear for my son.  The power a woman has over a man's life can be very scary.  Just like in the Duke "fake" rape claims. They were accused and innocent but their names will forever be tied to rape.

Agree Gina however I worry as much if not more for the young males in my family that may get raped by the creeps in society, family members, teachers, Religious leaders, friends of family ETC.


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Well as long as this was not rape rape. ::)  Probably should have worn some panties under that White virginal flowing dress also.
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Yeah, I think she was going for symbolism with that "flowing white dress" bit.

I think she got too drunk and went too far, then felt guilty about so she concluded she was raped. She probably voted for a known rapist twice anyways, she is old enough.

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There is so much wrong with this its really hard to figure out where to start, or stop.

If you said no, why give the guy a BJ?  A consolation prize?  Sorry, reality doesnt work like that and it never will.

You realized what was happening but stuck around and then did nothing when he entered you.  Why?  Because you thought that some magical word you said would stop a drunk college guy?  Nice thinking there. This alone makes this story seem far more like a "I got drunk and regret it" story than a rape story.


And finally, anyone else notice the one thing missing from these "rape" stories?  Something like this magical thing called self defense?  None of these women talk about using any form of self defense, let alone the most logical and most effective one, a gun.  No amount of talking or saying "no" will ever stop anyone from doing anything, ever.  But pulling a 9MM out of your purse and shoving it in a guys face will sure as hell stop them.
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There is so much wrong with this its really hard to figure out where to start, or stop.

If you said no, why give the guy a BJ?  A consolation prize?  Sorry, reality doesnt work like that and it never will.

You realized what was happening but stuck around and then did nothing when he entered you.  Why?  Because you thought that some magical word you said would stop a drunk college guy?  Nice thinking there. This alone makes this story seem far more like a "I got drunk and regret it" story than a rape story.


And finally, anyone else notice the one thing missing from these "rape" stories?  Something like this magical thing called self defense?  None of these women talk about using any form of self defense, let alone the most logical and most effective one, a gun.  No amount of talking or saying "no" will ever stop anyone from doing anything, ever.  But pulling a 9MM out of your purse and shoving it in a guys face will sure as hell stop them.

Yea, that would work also but I hear that vomiting or urinating on yourself is the DUmmies preferred method of self defense and that's just the males.
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A new low

Americans are obviously split when it comes to rating the on-the-job performance of George W. Bush. The president, himself, acknowledges as much.

But if there ever came a time when one stooped too low, it is now.

"Demgurl" is the online pseudonym of a popular veteran contributor to the partisan Web site DemocraticUnderground.com. Last week, the Democrat disclosed that she was on her way home and encountered a minivan beside a freeway offramp.

"There was a lady standing next to the van, and in her arms she held her child. I can only assume her minivan had broken down," she said. "I slowed down and started to pull over to offer her a ride. At the very last second, I noticed a 'W' sticker on the back of her vehicle, and I sped up and drove off.

"I feel really bad as a human being," she confessed. "That child is not responsible for their parent's belief system. ... I wondered how a person could see what was going on in [New Orleans] and still have one of those awful stickers on their car? How could they support an awful excuse for a human being that has let our country down and is letting Americans die after they have made it through the storm?"

So whatever became of the stranded mother and child?

"I thought that if she loves [Mr. Bush] so much, maybe he would come along and help her," she said. "Let's see what her hero can do for her."

apres moi, le deluge

Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."

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Same incident, but as posted on Skins's island.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1475713/posts

Link to Skins's island at the link above.

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I did not stop to help a * supporter today.

I had no idea how deeply my hate for that man ran. My lack of an interaction, with a * supporter is still haunting me a couple of hours later.

I was on my home and was on the ramp getting off the highway. I saw a mini-van on the side of the road. There was a lady standing next to the van and in her arms she held her child. I can only assume her mini-van had broken down. I don't know, perhaps with so many gad stations being out of gas, she had also run out. I slowed down and started to pull over to offer her a ride. At the very last second I noticed a "W" sticker on the back of her vehicle and I sped up and drove off.

I feel really bad as a human being. That child is not responsible for their parent's belief system. They are innocent and do not deserve to be out in the heat. (It is warm but not so bad that they would even break a sweat) I try not to punish people for what they believe.

On the other hand, so many hateful thoughts went through my head. I wondered how a person could see what was going on in NO and still have one of those awful stickers on their car. How could they support an awful excuse for a human being that has let our country down and is letting Americans die after they have made it through the storm? How can someone be so blind and so stupid?

I thought that if she loves * so much, maybe he would come along and help her the same way he is rescuing all of those poor people in the weather stricken part of our country. Let's see what her hero can do for her.

I never did go back. I was so upset with that sticker and with the fact that someone would support an idiot who is so clearly running our country into the ground.

So why am I writing this? It is not to boast, I really feel bad about passing this child and not picking up their mother. Perhaps it is for a catharsis of sorts? That would be an educated guess. I suppose it is because I feel conflicted and I am writing this to try and sort through what I am feeling. There are two emotional sides, for me, on this incident and neither seems completely right or wrong to me. Even writing this, I am still not able to work through what happened. I feel like I am floating between right and wrong and am unable to grab either side.

Thanks for listening.

By the way, the dumbgurl primitive has the same anatomical abonormality on her chin that her good pal LynneSin the Chin does.
apres moi, le deluge

Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."

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That would be an educated guess.
There's nothing educated about you.
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