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Obama: Iraq Is Going To Need Help From Us

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DonViejo (9,623 posts)
Obama: Iraq Is Going To Need Help From Us
 
Source: TPM

CATHERINE THOMPSON – JUNE 12, 2014, 1:08 PM EDT

President Barack Obama said Thursday that Iraq is "going to need more help" from the US to fight back a militant group that has already taken over two cities and vowed to march on to Baghdad.

"What we've seen in the last couple of days indicates the degree to which Iraq's going to need more help," Obama said following a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott at the White House. "It's going to need more help from us and it's going to need more help from the international community."

Obama said that his administration has been working closely with the Iraqi government over the past several months, at times providing military equipment or intelligence assistance. He wouldn't rule out any options in addressing the Iraqi insurgency, he added.

"We do have a stake in making sure that these jihadists are not getting a permanent foothold in either Iraq or Syria for that matter," he said.

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-iraq-will-need-us-help

Romper filling and poo flinging has just begun.

mahatmakanejeeves (4,488 posts)

11. Worry.
 

Here is one particullary interesting ,soon to be tombstoned, Dummy's take:

24601 (2,959 posts)

20. You need to thank every member of Congress who voted for the Iraq AUMF without which none of it
 
would have happened. First my personal comments then the link and information.

My take: Pretty much every every senator wanting to keep a presidential run in their future voted for the AUMF. This included those who I believe really opposed it (including Senators Biden, Clinton & Kerry) but made their presidential ambitions their top priority. How many actually went to the Capitol's secure facility & read the intelligence? Most never bother to do so.

The following information comes from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002

The resolution cited many factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq: 

1. Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors. 

2. Iraq "continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability" and "actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability" posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region." 

3. Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population." 

4. Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". 

5. Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by
 a. the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush  and
 b. firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. 

6. Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. 

7. Iraq's "continu to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations. 

8. Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers. 

9. The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them. 

10. The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. 

11. The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power. 

12. Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement. 

The Congressional Votes:

United States House of Representatives

Party Yes Nays PRES No Vote

Republican 215 6 0 2
Democratic 82 126 0 1
Independent 0 1 0 0

TOTALS 297 133 0 3 

82 (40%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.

6 (<3%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the resolution: Reps. Duncan (R-TN), Hostettler (R-IN), Houghton (R-NY), Leach (R-IA), Morella (R-MD), Paul (R-TX).

The only Independent Representative voted against the resolution: Rep. Sanders (I-VT)

Reps. Ortiz (D-TX), Roukema (R-NJ), and Stump (R-AZ) did not vote on the resolution.

United States Senate

Party Yes Nays PRES No Vote

Republican 48 1 0 0
Democratic 29 21 0 0
Independent 0 1 0 0

TOTALS 77 23 0 0

58% of Democratic senators (29 of 50) voted for the resolution. Those voting against the Democratic majority include: Sens. Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), and Wyden (D-OR).

1 (2%) of 49 Republican senators voted against the resolution: Sen. Chafee (R-RI).

The only Independent senator voted against the resolution: Sen. Jeffords (I-VT)

Also, the Iraq AUMF was passed when Democrats, along with the ind. Jeffords had a majority in the Senate.
Republicans had a slim majority in the House of Representatives and did not have sufficient votes to pass the AUMF without Democratic votes - but the two Republican no votes were probably held in reserve if needed to reach the required 217]

Meanwhile Barry Big Ears fears his children's children seeing a picture like this with his name in the history books
with this caption: The defining moment of the Obama Administration which lead to a Veto Proof Republican Majority in November:


 

[dutch508]

1Greensix (43 posts)
21. Again??

I think I recall about 2002 when protesters were trying to tell the world that Bush and Cheney were lying and removing Saddam by force would lead to militant extremists grabbing power. So. They were right. Iraq cost the US a couple of Trillion dollars, a few thousand dead and tens of thousands wounded and what did we get out of it besides gas prices that tripled.
And now, one more time, the US is thinking about using force to engage the latest CIA identified threat. The CIA has PROVEN that they can NOT be trusted when it comes to Iraq. They LIED to get the US to invade. Lied! And now, Cry Wolf, they say the ISIS is the new enemy threat.
I wonder which Saudi Prince is funding this group of murdering assholes? Did the CIA fund them in the first place and now they are out of control, like the swell job they did arming and training the future Taliban in Afghanistan, giving us Bin Laden twenty years later?
I'm just getting too old for this crap. Do I really care which group of anti-American Muslims are in charge of Iraq? One group Hates Americans and the other group Hates Americans. If they are bent on killing each other, and they are, then why should I care? Eventually the power will swing the other way and the killing will continue, but the other group that Hates Americans will dominate for a while.
When they get tired of killing each other they will stop. Tell me why I should care if any of them live when THEY don't care?
The US has wasted trillions in Iraq. Let the people who live there fight for their own freedoms. If they don't care to have freedom and aren't willing to stop their hatred of each other, it's none of our business.

Two points, DUmpmonkie.

1.  When we pulled out in 2011 we left a power vacuum that the ISIS is now exploiting. By not staying to complete the process we left a weak Iraq. By diddle-****ing around with Syria we left a stronger rebel force- shit we’ve armed them and trained them!... By showing total weakness after Benghazi we empowered radical Islamists, by backing Palestine we have empowered Islamists, in Syria, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in North Africa, in Egypt, we have shown no will to step up and confront Islamists. In Europe our traditional Allies don’t trust us to back them after the Ukraine and Putin’s walking all over the President- and by proxy- the Country.

2.  Once the Islamists take Baghdad they won’t just stop. They are already pushing into Europe and the US. They are already pushing further into Africa and Asia. They won’t ever stop.

The time to fight them over there, which has been our strategy for 200+ years, is almost over. Soon we will be fighting them here. The only question is will our own government stand with us or against us?

[Carl]

Barry,the muzzie butcher lover,is not upset in the least.

[Chris_]

Barry,the muzzie butcher lover,is not upset in the least.

I doubt he will lose any sleep tonight.

US Security Contractors Engage in Gun Battles to Escape Iraq

[diesel driver]

I doubt he will lose any sleep tonight.

US Security Contractors Engage in Gun Battles to Escape Iraq

Barry won't do anything until his golf game begins to suffer.

[JohnnyReb]

I doubt he will lose any sleep tonight.

US Security Contractors Engage in Gun Battles to Escape Iraq

The last line says it all.....The article closed noting the U.S. Embassy and consulates in Iraq are currently maintaining a full staff.

Barry Muzzies needs more hostages to trade.

[vlad335]

1.  When we pulled out in 2011 we left a power vacuum that the ISIS is now exploiting. By not staying to complete the process we left a weak Iraq. By diddle-****ing around with Syria we left a stronger rebel force- shit we’ve armed them and trained them!... By showing total weakness after Benghazi we empowered radical Islamists, by backing Palestine we have empowered Islamists, in Syria, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in North Africa, in Egypt, we have shown no will to step up and confront Islamists. In Europe our traditional Allies don’t trust us to back them after the Ukraine and Putin’s walking all over the President- and by proxy- the Country.

This is what is truly appalling. What we have going on in Iraq is a foreign invasion by a full blown army! An army that is heavily armed and well funded by none other than the USA. This is not an insurgency!  I am reading stuff all over the net that ISIS came into Iraq from Syria and from training camps in Turkey. Training camps that the Obama administration set up. They were getting their asses handed to them in Syria so decided to go after low hanging fruit in Iraq.



Note massive convoy of brand spankin new Toyota trucks. Our tax dollars at work.

[67 Rover]

This is what is truly appalling. What we have going on in Iraq is a foreign invasion by a full blown army! An army that is heavily armed and well funded by none other than the USA. This is not an insurgency!  I am reading stuff all over the net that ISIS came into Iraq from Syria and from training camps in Turkey. Training camps that the Obama administration set up. They were getting their asses handed to them in Syria so decided to go after low hanging fruit in Iraq.



Note massive convoy of brand spankin new Toyota trucks. Our tax dollars at work.

What a wasted opportunity for a Highway of death part II.

[BannedFromDU]

What a wasted opportunity for a Highway of death part II.

     If an actual man was in the White House instead of Faggy 0'Muslim, that picture would be of a series of red and black grease spots on the road.

     My god I wish a Bush was in office.

[67 Rover]

     If an actual man was in the White House instead of Faggy 0'Muslim, that picture would be of a series of red and black grease spots on the road.

     My god I wish a Bush was in office.

Right now I would even settle for Carter.

[DLR Pyro]

What a wasted opportunity for a Highway of death part II.

a flight of a couple  A-10's could take care of that problem real quick.

[JakeStyle]

It's sickening.  This is us, just giving up.

[franksolich]

It's sickening.  This is us, just giving up.

Of course it is.

But it's them, the Democrats, liberals, and primitives, giving up, not us.

Assholes.

[JakeStyle]

Of course it is.

But it's them, the Democrats, liberals, and primitives, giving up, not us.

Assholes.

They are a lot worse than assholes,  they helped the enemy kill my friends

[BlueStateSaint]

They are a lot worse than assholes,  they helped the enemy kill my friends

I'm sure that there are more than a few here who can say that.  I didn't have any friends who died in the GWOT, but Dragoons and Mounted Riflemen did, and as a card-carrying member of the 2d Cavalry Association (it came today), I fully agree with you.

[Dori]

What a wasted opportunity for a Highway of death part II.

We also need another Stormin' Norman too.

[hillneck]

We also need another Stormin' Norman too.

Sadly, most of the good generals were fired by PrezBO, or they retired.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I am reading stuff all over the net that ISIS came into Iraq from Syria and from training camps in Turkey. Training camps that the Obama administration set up. They were getting their asses handed to them in Syria so decided to go after low hanging fruit in Iraq.

"But we couldn't have seen that coming!" - Well, as long as 'We' is limited to Democrats and some few brain-damaged Republicans like Juan McCain, all of whom thought it would be a great idea to ramp up the action in Syria to get rid of a tyrant who wasn't actually doing anything to us or even showing signs of thinking about it lately, since doing that worked out so well in Libya, Tunisia, and Egypt.

[RayRaytheSBS]

a flight of a couple  A-10's could take care of that problem real quick.

Yeah, too bad that is one of the aircraft the air force is getting rid of for 'no longer being needed'. That  aircraft is a CAS monster and can come back with half the aircraft blown away. But the Air Force generals figure the F-35 can fill its role. 

[BlueStateSaint]

Yeah, too bad that is one of the aircraft the air force is getting rid of for 'no longer being needed'. That  aircraft is a CAS monster and can come back with half the aircraft blown away. But the Air Force generals figure the F-35 can fill its role. 

I used to love watching them come over Range 301 at Graf.  When the 'Hogs would fire that massive 30mm cannon, they'd sound similar to a blender on 'puree.'

[RayRaytheSBS]

I used to love watching them come over Range 301 at Graf.  When the 'Hogs would fire that massive 30mm cannon, they'd sound similar to a blender on 'puree.'

They used to be at Pope AFB back in the day as well. Hearing them fire into Coleman impact area  was like the 'sound of freedom' in my opinion. They will be missed.  Why does it seem like the Generals are more concerned with SHARP training than they are fighting the nation's wars? It's criminal what is happening to our military.

[USA4ME]

1Greensix
 
I think I recall about 2002 when protesters were trying to tell the world that Bush and Cheney were lying and removing Saddam by force would lead to militant extremists grabbing power.

That's a flat out lie. The protesters were claiming we were going in for the oil. They said nothing about "removing Saddam by force would lead to militant extremists grabbing power." Nothing at all. You're liberals. You can't think 5 minutes ahead, much less 12 years.

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[JohnnyReb]

Back in the 70s and 80s, the A-10s were in my area all most everyday. They would make strafing runs on my dozers, then pull up turn on a dime and be right back down on top of you. The agility of the planes and pilots amazed me. Occasionally, after a few minutes of fun with us, they would circle, give us a wave and move on.

There was also a private airstrip about a mile from my home. It belonged to a cousin of mine that was at the time in the SC Air National Guard. They would work his place over pretty good to. The owner had a hand held radio that he would use to talk to the pilots. He said it was highly 'irregular' to do that but they would hang around and chat with him at times or wiggle the wings etc..