YoungDemCA (2,215 posts)
Misogyny should not be tolerated on DU
And neither, for that matter, should complaining about "misandry" which is just a reactionary way of complaining about feminism in 99.999% of cases, give or take.
The things that are totally antithetical to Democratic and progressive principles should not be tolerated. Misogyny is among those things.
Lest we forget... http://www.democrats.org/people/women There's a whole section in the Democratic Party devoted to women. There's not an equivalent one for men-as it should be. Know why? Because men aren't a socially disenfranchised class, not historically and not currently in the US. Fact.
Feel free to rec this post if you agree, feel free to trash it if you disagree. But I am tired of seeing the most odious, right-wing talking points re: women and feminism on a supposedly progressive site, routinely, day after day. And I know I am far from alone in that regard.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025010483
Said the feminist.
bravenak (4,119 posts)
1. Everytime i see misandry i start laughing.
But i am not really amused. Just irritated.
Or when i see someone bring up that lady that shot Andy Warhol before i was even born. I guess that one lady evened up the score for all eternity.
Rest easy ladies, a lady shot Andy Warhol so misogyny was over 40 year ago. You are imagining things. Thats how i feel about that.
You know, you must not think of yourself as too much of a person, Nak. Otherwise, you might start capatilizing "I."
I certainly think
I'm important enough to capitalize myself.
The lady who shot Warhol speaks for herself, and a section of the women's movement. Her quotes were discusting, and she even belonged to a group with the acronym "S.C.U.M" Says what these kinds of people are in general. What's more? She no doubt at some point had influence over some poor little child who took it to heart. See, that's why history is important, DUmmie. It happens to repeat itself, and become the present.
Major Nikon (14,823 posts)
60. Seems to be quite the joke on DU
Even if it involves jokes about male genital mutilation which would never be tolerated if the gender roles were reversed.
http://www.google.com/search?q=bobbitt+jokes+site:democraticunderground.com
And who can forget about the suggestion that all males be castrated at puberty? That one was a real knee slapper.
Oh, it's on now!!
bravenak (4,119 posts)
71. I was like 8 when the Bobbit thing happened.
Yeah! Why should that alter her perceptions on this particular subject, and shit?!?1!
Oh yeah, and **** you!
As for the rest..... I have seen a man here tell a woman that he hopes she gets raped orally and expires from lack of oxygen. He was not joking. I did not see you speak out against that. Did you? I may not have noticed your post. But i have seen you bring up a lady who shot a guy years before i was born and act like that makes things even.
Let me know when women start going on man killing rampages, rape murdering men by the thousands, and recieving support from feminists. Until then, i think you have a weak case for misandry being the real problem.
You should start a foundation. Men against women laughing at men. You'll make money.
I really didn't mean to chuckle at the bolded when I first read it. I seriously didn't. It's just that the hope in question is so absurd, I couldn't help it.
Now she needs to come up off the proof. Now the post must be show.
...."Rapemurdering?"
Star Member Major Nikon (14,823 posts)
74. How old were you last March?
Because that's when the last one was posted. If you want more examples your generation would have an easier time understanding, just set your DU google to "limp dick". There is no "makes things even" when it comes to sexism. Most people of my generation learned by grammar school two wrongs don't make a right. I hope it's the same for yours.
Perhaps your omnipotent crystal ball is just clearer than mine, but I just don't see every single post on DU out of thousands that are posted daily. I have spoken up about sexism on DU regardless of whether your crystal ball revealed it to you or not and if the post happened exactly as you describe, I most certainly would have in that instance also.
I never claimed the post in question made anything even. I'm sure you must think strawman gibberish is a brilliant rhetorical device, but I can assure you it only works on those too ignorant not to see right through it. Otherwise it tends to have the reverse effect once it's called out for exactly what it is. You might want to think about bringing your A game as this is entirely too easy.
A straw man, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of the original topic of argument. To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
Smarter than the average DUmmie, and quite entertaining.
bravenak (4,119 posts)
85. So something from last march has you riled up during this particular tragedy.
Work on that.
I do not need your lecture. Ever.
You have no real point except to whine about how nobody is worried about misandry. Guess what?
I don't see misandry all day every day. But i do see racism and misogyny everyday Might have something to do with the political affiliation you chose, sweet cheeks.. So i'll worry about that while you save men from being laughed at. Because thats the real problem you have to focus on.
I think it is funny how every time misogyny comes up, some dude has to butt in to complain about misandry. It's almost like you don't want misogyny discussed at all and are trying to derail the conversation and make us talk about what you want to talk about because you think your subject is way more important. Or that men are more important than women. Nobody ever said that, Nak. I will say that as important as women are, men are equally as important. Without one or the other, the race would go extinct.
Never bother to try to lecture me again. I do not go for that type of stuff. Save it for your friends and family. If i want a man i don't know to give me a lecture, i'll watch cosmos.
Never think you are the smartest person in the room. You will always be wrong.
#BeBossy!
Star Member Major Nikon (14,823 posts)
87. Actually I could give a day old dog shit about what happened last March
But if you are going to cite examples of misogyny on DU that I'm evidently not doing enough about, then at least try not to get wrapped around the axle when someone points out that far worse gets a free pass when it goes the other direction. I have one standard for defining sexism. If you have two, then please don't pretend you are the least bit concerned about equality because you've just proved you aren't.
Dissent is part and parcel to substantive discussion. If you can't stand to have your ideas challenged, then either don't throw them out there for public consumption, use the DU tools at your disposal to filter them, or go to the echo chamber. "derail the conversation" is nothing more than codespeak for shut the **** up and let me educate you which looks a lot more like finger wagging than anything you described.
Just sayin'
bravenak (4,119 posts)
92. I asked you to mind your business and lecture someone else.
Do you understand the words that you are reading?
I said, ' If i need a man i don't know to lecture me, i'll watch Cosmos.'
I really did mean it. No means no, 
as in, no i will not continue this stupid conversation about nothing with you. You are trying to make this about you and your feelings and thoughts and you want me to care about that and ignore my own feelings and thoughts. I told you that i am not interested in your subject change. I want to discuss misogyny.
If you want to discuss misandry, go find a friend to discuss that with becsuse i am simply not interested at this time. You shouldn't be so overbearing an forceful when trying to change the subject. I can see right through that kinda stuff because i have a fully operational bs meter.
Misandry is not the subject not matter how much you want it to be. Your tactics are obvious.
I hope you are done now.
Stop interjecting logic, and reason! You're raping my thoughts!111! NO MEANS NO!!!!!!!!!!!!11
After which, a war of pics, and GIFs ensues. Lol The one Nikon posted where a cartoon character was opening door after door in an attempt to get somewhere actually has me gasping for breath.
