Subway kitty roars and bores, gets slammed.

[Bondai]

Oh brother, here we go....

Sorry, forgot the link....http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3559235

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jul-03-08 03:45 PM
Original message
Copyright is fraud.
 Advertisements [?]Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 04:42 PM by undergroundpanther
"If creativity is the field, copyright is the fence".
John Oswald..

And to think these greedy invasive corporate
parasites think they can violate people's
privacy rights by demanding their
IP addresses .They are
perpetuating a fraud against humanity
in the name of copyright,which is fraud.
It does not look like fraud
to many because it has become a
popular falsehood.It pleases egos.
Corporations do these"crackdowns"
to get control over our lives,
our minds to limit and control
our freedom and to make profit doing
these horrible things..

The CORPORATIONS that want our Identifying
information,violating our right to privacy
to stifle the urge to create,express
disseminate information/ideas and share
them with others.

Corporations hate sharing because
they can't profit from it.
Sharing is a transaction they can't control.
Corporations are invading our lives arbitrarily
to suit THEIR current lust for control
and to keep on perpetuating a massive,
profitable ******* FRAUD against humanity!!!
Via-com and others like them are criminals.
Criminals who think they can own
Ideas and thoughts.

Corporations like Riaa and Viacom do nothing
creative themselves.
They are parasites taking artists work
and marketing it and profiting off it.
They perpetuate the very fraud
they are claiming we commit by sharing a file
or using pieces of it to create
something with it.

The Corporation is no friend to
artists musicians or inventors.
Corporations limit creativity,
by forcing people to use,see
and hear only what CORPORATIONS
give permission for usually by charging
fees. Who declared Viacom God? hint: Viacom.

ALL CORPORATIONS are non existing,
fictional paper fantasies made up
by robber barons.The Corporations
very existence is a fraud in of itself.
Corporate person-hood is all fraud.
Ownership is a lie.
Copyright is a fraud.
Property is theft.

All these ****ed up people pushing lies on us.
These lies once believed in as if they are true
are what makes possible selfish arrogant
corporate criminals who deny they steal,
under the auspices of law.
They want fence in humanities creativity,
thoughts and art.To control it.Own it.
Shaking down the people online as they
destroy the constitution.
Which is a social contract.
Corporations seek to find beauty and free thought
lock it in a vault that no one can see or hear
it without bowing to the corporate monster
getting a illegal non negotiable contract
and forking over money.

How did this pay to exist and
fear of sharing bullshit start?
WE are born here not by our choice
yet we are born into a contract
against our well being that is
non negotiable,so therefore
an un-enforcable contract.
Obeyed only by the force of our belief in it.
We inherited a flaw,obedience to symbolic
authority from previous generations
obedience.
Our natural birthright has been stolen
and plundered,and ruined by corporations
It had a price tag put on it and
it is sold back to us, if we can afford it.

This property game is a massive fraud
against humanity.
WHY do we have to pay some rich scheming *******
that could care less if we live or die,to exist.
Why do we have to be asking some self appointed
corporate thug permission to create?
I think it is because so many people
believe in the fantasy of owning property.
Kill,starve and ruin each other
lives for this ******* insane LIE!!!

Where do our own thoughts and ideas come from?
Where does my creativity stop and yours begin?

There is NOTHING new under the sun, people.
Fight to force corporations to
leave creative people ALONE.Leave the NET alone.
Get the greed heads OUT of production.
They are BAD people.Poison to freedom.


**** the corporations.
Corporations are not even real people.
In a sane world they'd have no rights at all.
But these paper fictions get more rights than most
people have in this country and that shit needs
to stop NOW.
Get with it,all you has beens,
,******* CEO thug psychopath pigs,
and insecure artists who forgot
what creativity is,
We don't own SHIT in this world,
not even our own bodies.
Freedom needs no fences
permission or excuses to control
creativity,and by proxy peoples lives and minds
because the Riaa failed to adapt.
When corporations owned the music
and decided what got airplay
music took a fast turn to sucks-ville.

Clinging to past ideas and extorting others through them and limiting what they can create, by those who have none
and have lost their inspiration is just revolting .
**** Riaa,**** Via-com And **** COPYRIGHT.

I was approached by a publisher who liked my writing,
and offered me a book deal.I considered it,
I would have possibly made a decent amount
but I decided not to publish my writings in book form Why?
Because I wanted my thoughts to be SHARED.
I value walking my talk over
perpetuating the myth of property or copyright.
So I put my thoughts on the web. My art.
I wanted people to read it,copy it ,distribute it,
expand it,use it,share it, create different ideas with it,
and enjoy it without MONEY or bullshit property theft
entering into the equation.

I never owned anything.Fact is nobody owns anything,
for once it leaves their mind
in word song or art it is out there.
Inspiring others.That is reality.
Once my idea is expressed,in any form it
is no longer mine. It is communication
and it is a gift for anyone to use.
That is reality.
I create and let it go.I don't own my art
or words anymore than I own the air I breathe.
When I die I will no longer "own" my body
it dissolves into the Earth.Disappears.
All my stuff I never really possessed is no longer
called mine and it goes to other people's hands.
What about this fact of REALITY these ****ers don't GET!!!
WTF is wrong with people that they cannot face reality
Scared to think we own nothing?
And so if we own nothing,
reality is we OWE nothing to anyone else.
Ownership is a LIE.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Intellectual Property as Fraud

If property is theft, as Proudhon famously argued, then intellectual property is fraud. Property is theft because the owner of property has no legitimate claim to the product of labor. Except by denying workers access to the means of production, property owners could not extract any more than the reproduction costs of the instruments they contribute to the process. In the words of Benjamin Tucker, the lender of capital is entitled to its return intact, and nothing more. When the peasants of the pre-industrial age were denied access to common land by the new enclosures, it can be said that their land was stolen. But if physical property can be stolen, can intelligence or ideas be stolen? If your land is stolen, you cannot use it anymore, except on the conditions set by its new private “owner.” If ownership of an idea is analogous to the ownership of material property, it should be subject to the same conditions of economic exchange, forfeiture, and seizure - and if seized it would then cease to be the property of its owner. But if your idea is used by others, you have not lost your ability to use it – so what is really stolen? The traditional notion of property, as something that can be possessed to the exclusion of others, is irreconcilable with intangibles like ideas. Unlike a material object, which can exist in only one place at a given time, ideas are non-rivalrous and non-exclusive. A poem is no less an authors’ poem despite its existence in a thousand memories.

http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/nimustext.ht ...

Intellectual "property" does not behave like material property. If I give you a physical object I may no longer have use or control of that thing, and may ask for something in return -- some payment or barter. But when I give you an idea, I lose nothing. I can still use that idea as I wish. I need ask nothing in return.

The laws of exchange of matter being so very different from the laws of exchange of information, any attempt to trade ideas with material goods was destined for trouble sooner or later.

Not only do people hold on to ideas for material gain, they also hang on to them for psychological gain. The ego likes to be identified as the source of a particular insight or concept. But what right has the ego to attach itself to something that was never its in the first place?

We say "an idea came to me". I did not make it happen. What I do is shape the ideas "that come" into forms -- usually words and images -- that satisfy me, and hopefully communicate something to others. If I am to be paid for my work (which I am not averse to), I should be paid for my time and energy, not some dubious concept of intellectual property.

Thoughts are free. They should remain free, and be given freely.

And, following the universal law, the more we give the more we shall receive.

http://anticopyright.com /
http://www.artliberated.org
http://washparkprophet.blogspot.com/2006/05/against-hom...
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-134598674.html

When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom profit that loses.
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skooooo  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-03-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Well....
 
...sorry I don't have time to answer your stupid questions.
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Book Lover  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-03-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. How do you make your living? (nm)
 Pity the haters, for they live in a world without chin. "Oh, we would call ourselves quite practical, efficient, flat-headed-" "Level-headed," I said. "Just so. And at the same time idealistic, inventive, full of cultural diversity and-" I coughed. "-and possessed of great potential," he said, "and the dreams and vigor of youth."
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Now you have done it....and the answer is...

seriousstan (1000+ posts)       Thu Jul-03-08 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Living off the toil of others. Many posts to substantiate that claim.
 Working with others would make her so mad she would physically injure them. So for the sake of others, she doesn't work. Use search, it is an entertaining read.
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bicentennial_baby  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jul-03-08 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Yep
 Glad someone said it.
Read Dollars & Sense! The Magazine of Economic Justice! =PAY for ALL

 
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Lorien  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-03-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #26
39. Yep. He believes that "work" is cruel and unethical
 at least if *he* is forced to do it to survive. Apparently there are enough suckers and enablers out there to allow him a life of leisure, undisturbed by the realities the rest of us are forced to deal with just to keep a roof over our heads and food on our plates.
 
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...and here we go.....we have a winner.

Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-03-08 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #69
74. You protest far too much
 You get off on seeing your words, which really do run on without a whole lot of content. Maybe a good editor could make something out of them, but maybe not.

You "choose" because you're afraid to take the chance in the real world, the world that involves failure and disappointment and falling down and getting up and doing it again. You've "chosen" the safe route - Mom's house, the government financing your life, and then you sit and gripe at people who are willing to take the risk and who happily reap the benefits.

Your "corporate" rants are meaningless and without merit.

I don't care about your reasons. A good writer should be able to get his ideas across without a whole lot of blather that doesn't add to the argument.

If you're too afraid to take the chance, you give up your right to sit and bitch at those of us who do. You can go ahead and prattle on, but we know what you're doing.
 

[Airwolf]

Damn the kitty got into a dogfight,LOL.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Link?

edited to remove cutting and pasting of original UP screed -- dixiebelle

[Rebel]

Damn, I would have thought that, and the responses, was posted at Free Republic. 

Hey Subway Cat, go bitch to Redstone about how you think intellectual property rights are a buncha bullshit meant to keep freakass human cats down.

[USA4ME]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3559235&mesg_id=3559235

Link above.

.

[Chris_]

Why would someone throw up all over a board and then expect people to treat it like art?

I couldn't make head nor tails of that ramble (of course I didn't try too hard).  I guess the subway cat expects everyone to join hands and sing kumbaya and just share everything and all will be peachy.

[Bondai]

Link?

You had to copy all of that just to ask about a link...I fixed it so stop being an ass.

[DixieBelle]

MEOW!!!!!!!!!

[Splashdown]

The ironic part is UP is too lazy even to come up with "their" own ideas! "They" just copy and paste others. So now, "they" find a rant about how stealing is fine.

Amazing.


 


You know you're a wackjob when your brand of crazy is too much for the DUmp!

I use "they" because I'm sick of trying to figure out a gender for UP.

[Rebel]

undergroundpanther  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jul-03-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. Ok
   
Can you eat money? When money becomes worthless,as corporate thugs push on with their plans to control every heart and mind with full spectrum domination, than will you realize the world owes you nothing,and that you have nothing ,and deserve nothing for creating as all humans naturally do,When you have to pay for air, like we already pay for what the earth creates for free,like plants animals elements..than will you wake up that you have been sold a lie a belief that does not serve humanity, but turns humanity into slaves?
And will you realize profit is a game that we all will lose eventually? Is ego and long distance control over the detritus of your imagination you let out into the world all that important to ruin a persons life over?

To me whenever I see my art or words online I smile, I see someone bothered to not only look but to CREATE something different with it.

Someone using what I gave away to create something else in no way diminishes my ideas.

 

BRB!!!! I'm going to go mine in my backyard for a Ferrari! Maybe I can strike it big and hit a Gulfstream G5 vein. Man, I'll be rich, RICH I tell ya, with what I can sell'em for!

Oh.....wait.......

[Chris_]

I couldn't make it past the first sentence. I really don't think that UP has had a top 5 rant since the Blackie, The Ghost Chicken tale. I know I bring up Blackie, The Ghost Chicken in almost every thread concerning UP, but it is comic gold. Of course, I would have to say that the Astral Travel to Visit the Spirit Panthers at Panther Mountain tale was probably top 10 material.

[Rebel]

I couldn't make it past the first sentence. I really don't think that UP has had a top 5 rant since the Blackie, The Ghost Chicken tale. I know I bring up Blackie, The Ghost Chicken in almost every thread concerning UP, but it is comic gold. Of course, I would have to say that the Astral Travel to Visit the Spirit Panthers at Panther Mountain tale was probably top 10 material.

I remember the Underground Panthers BS, but don't remember the ghost chicken. 

[DixieBelle]

I don't remember ghost chicken either. We may need a refresher I do remember organic pineapple juice and remote viewing though.

found something - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x19381

A sampling - click on the link and read the whole thing if you dare 

I used to have a pet rooster. He was the coolest bird ever.
I got him as a chick,he was a black cute chirpy puffball.I named him Blackie.Most chicks are yellow but Blackie stood out with his inky feathers.He grew up into a handsome jungle fowl rooster with 6 inch dagger like spurs on his ankles that were used against a bullying dog named chipper,who intimidated and chased my dog Mikey.

I dream of him once in awhile.Sometimes I see his spirit in a tree in the backyard,or walking around.I even saw him in the hospital along with my cat when I had surgery(pre-op)making sure all was ok.. I see his head bobbing back and forth out of the corner of my eye in the house too.I get messages from him. Here is one I had awhile ago and my thoughts on it.

Before the "Bird Flu" scare hit the news a few years ago I dreamed of Blackie. At first he was walking west into the sun. He walked past pits full of burnt and burning dead chickens. He walked to texas and to a veterinary lab facility there. I followed him. He led me to a bio lab where chickens were being tested or injected with something.I saw an image that looked like raspberries.He led me to factory farms filled to capacity with caged chickens that were traumatized and crazy from stress some were suicidal.. They got sick.I saw a few people getting sick from them.The Chickens were angry and calling justice upon the people handling them in factory farms for mistreating them.Blackie warned me about Bird Flu,before it hit the news.I just didn't know it until after the fact..
Blackie was saying he was confused about humans. He wants people to understand chickens have spirits too and they feel and they are not stupid. He told me the spirits of chickens at factory farms are in anguish they are confused and they linger around the Earth because they don't know what to do.They are angry and traumatized and they are causing problems because nobody cares about their spirits as if they don't have spirits. So they are stuck in a kind of limbo.

[JohnnyReb]

DAMN!!!! They sure have a lot of free time at the nuthouse.             d

[Rebel]

Before the "Bird Flu" scare hit the news a few years ago I dreamed of Blackie. At first he was walking west into the sun. He walked past pits full of burnt and burning dead chickens. He walked to texas and to a veterinary lab facility there. I followed him. He led me to a bio lab where chickens were being tested or injected with something.I saw an image that looked like raspberries.He led me to factory farms filled to capacity with caged chickens that were traumatized and crazy from stress some were suicidal.. They got sick.I saw a few people getting sick from them.The Chickens were angry and calling justice upon the people handling them in factory farms for mistreating them.Blackie warned me about Bird Flu,before it hit the news.I just didn't know it until after the fact..
Blackie was saying he was confused about humans. He wants people to understand chickens have spirits too and they feel and they are not stupid. He told me the spirits of chickens at factory farms are in anguish they are confused and they linger around the Earth because they don't know what to do.They are angry and traumatized and they are causing problems because nobody cares about their spirits as if they don't have spirits. So they are stuck in a kind of limbo.

 



.....but they taste sooo good fried with some mashed taters and gravy. Damn, I might need to head to KFC tonight.

[Bondai]

 

[Lauri]

I couldn't make it past the first sentence. I really don't think that UP has had a top 5 rant since the Blackie, The Ghost Chicken tale. I know I bring up Blackie, The Ghost Chicken in almost every thread concerning UP, but it is comic gold. Of course, I would have to say that the Astral Travel to Visit the Spirit Panthers at Panther Mountain tale was probably top 10 material.

I remember the Underground Panthers BS, but don't remember the ghost chicken. 

yeah, me either .. i'm not sure i want to give up any vacay time to read her rantings...

[Bondai]

I couldn't make it past the first sentence. I really don't think that UP has had a top 5 rant since the Blackie, The Ghost Chicken tale. I know I bring up Blackie, The Ghost Chicken in almost every thread concerning UP, but it is comic gold. Of course, I would have to say that the Astral Travel to Visit the Spirit Panthers at Panther Mountain tale was probably top 10 material.

I remember the Underground Panthers BS, but don't remember the ghost chicken. 

yeah, me either .. i'm not sure i want to give up any vacay time to read her rantings...

I couldn't read it either, I just posted it....

[franksolich]

I couldn't read it either, I just posted it....

Uh-huh.

When I was over on Skins's island, I read it.

Yes, I really read it.

The whole thing, I read it.

I read it all.

Then I decided, nah, I wasn't bringing it over here.

[DixieBelle]

I bet you needed a mind decontamiation shower after that frank.

You know, with as much as she/he/it puts into it's screeds, you would think she/he/it could put that energy towards being a productive member of society. Clearly she/he/it can read and write and can research and justify any point she/he/it sees fit.

But, that's asking a lot I know. Much easier to sit in the corner and lash out at the world than to be a part of it. I pity she/he/it.

[Carl]

Interesting that even some of their own seem to be growing weary of the lunancy.
Wonder if those primitives that are still within eyesight of sanity have wandered from the island and have exposed themselves to reality.

[Vagabond]

Is it just me or is UP growing even more disonnected from reality?

I remember someone commenting on Tom Cruise's scientology video.  I think that this is much the same.  Obvious delusions of grandeurof it's own writings, obviously she also wants to be a martyr (releasing it's grand creations for free), and paranoia (the corporations are out to steal from it).

[BlueStateSaint]

I bet you needed a mind decontamiation shower after that frank.

You know, with as much as she/he/it puts into it's screeds, you would think she/he/it could put that energy towards being a productive member of society. Clearly she/he/it can read and write and can research and justify any point she/he/it sees fit.

But, that's asking a lot I know. Much easier to sit in the corner and lash out at the world than to be a part of it. I pity she/he/it.

Spot on with the bolded, and H5.

H5 to the Coach for wading through that effluent.

[Chris_]

PS #3: Last I heard, a panther was a predatory animal, a clever hunter, and a fearsome presence in the forest. Not a whiner, not a beggar who looks for someone to "grant it disability." But I could be wrong about panthers.

Redstone

Okay, that was funny.

TexasObserver  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jul-03-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #14
141. Not writing, that's for damn sure!!
 I gotta get paid, yall!!

It's always people who don't make a living writing that think copyright is a bad idea. In truth, it's the highly irrational who argue that copyright has no place. They're the Ted Kaczynskis of copyright. That's what the OP reminded me of - one of TK's rambling diatribes.

Oooh, ouch. 

anigbrowl (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-03-08 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #88
105. That's a sad story but it has nothing to do with copyright
 If you want to give away your work for free on the basis that art and karma are more important than money, that is your right. Equally, if others want to sell or license their copyright to publishers in exchange for money that is their right, and it does not constitute any kind of fraud.

 undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jul-03-08 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #105
123. Ok
 You don't understand the point I am making so I won't waste my time with responses like yours from now on.

 

[Chris_]

Well, I just finished scanning some of the posts at the DU link. According to post 118 a publisher called her after reading some of her online rants, but she decided she didn't want to become marketed. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3559235#3561914

In other news I saw an entire herd of pigs take flight yesterday.