Smarter than you: perpetual money machine, edition

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

otherone (730 posts)

Food Stamps For All! How hard could it be to get done?

I propose that every citizen receive food stamps. Those that do not use their food stamps can receive a tax deduction. Everyone wins, everyone profits!

Jackpine Radical (40,145 posts)

1. Wrong approach.

Everyone gets a livable minimum guaranteed income, enough for food, minimal housing, etc. No food stamp or "welfare" bureaucracy.

But that's too simple by at least 3 orders of magnitude.

upaloopa (3,566 posts)

3. Why stop there? Free houses for all!

Free clothes for all!
Free basic necessities for all!
Now let's just raise your tax rate to pay for it!
Or let's find jobs for all and unions for all and living wages for all so that there is a return on our investments.
You can give a man a fish for today or you can teach him to fish.

otherone (730 posts)

4. we need a return on our investment

no doubt..

He was mocking you, dumb ass.

LanternWaste (18,546 posts)

5. and watch Wall Street force him to pay exorbitant rates for the lake, the rod, his time and the fire
 
" or you can teach him to fish..." and watch Wall Street force him to pay exorbitant rates for the lake, the rod, his time, the fire to cook it over, and the air used to assist the fire.

Although I do realize that simplistic platitudes and bumper-sticker wisdom is often the best many have to offer.

Last I looked it was the feds charging people to graze on open range and then enforcing their arbitrary decrees with sniper rifles.

Next up: Self-sufficiency = other people giving me stuff --

Gormy Cuss (27,973 posts)

7. Teaching someone to fish is useless when there's no access to the water where fish live.

There are so many structural barriers to universal self-sufficiency now that a fresh approach is needed. Universal health care access, for example. A minimum wage that is a living wage as another. Want jobs for all who seek them? Lower the number of hours in the work week. Stop soft discrimination in the form of credit scores, bias against those who have been convicted of crimes and have served their sentences. Stop age discrimination. Encourage OJT. Encourage workplaces with supportive services such as on site daycare, paid family leave, paid sick time, and at least 4 weeks of paid time off per year.

bobalew (74 posts)

6. Yeah, I already KNOW how to fish:

Problem is, there's some big-Ass CORPORATE boat out there taking ALL of the fish... And leaving none for the rest of us... NOT paying their fair SHARE of the taxes..... IN fact AVOIDING that ALTOGETHER... And Charging the rest of a PREMIUM for the Damn Fish MEAL, to PAY for the Boat, and a REALLY BIG SALARY for the Captains!

Warpy (75,671 posts)

10. I would prefer giving my food stamps away

because they don't provide adequate nutrition to kids, especially. The combination of WIC and food stamps has lowered overall mental retardation rates, a huge success to humane people but a failure to Republicans who want docile cannon fodder and underclass workers.

What we need to do is reset the minimum wage as a living wage with food stamps issued to people who are temporarily or permanently unable to join the workforce. We also need to index it to inflation, the market basket of goods and services restored to what it was before Greenspan ****ed it up to deny senior citizens proper COLA increases on their social security.

Those will work a lot better than your idea.

LoveIsNow (178 posts)

12. I have had this same idea.

Everyone pays a specific tax for it and everyone gets something back, which for almost everyone would be more than they paid.

Moreover, the government could add subsidies and restrictions to improve the public health (i.e. you can't use them to buy soda or candy, but your food stamps are worth double towards fresh produce, brown rice, etc.)

Now,I don't think this is feasible, because people are so scared of socialism in this country, but I think it would be effective and would reduce the resentment people have towards food stamps recipients (people love Social Security and Medicare because they all get them). It would frame it as a floor beneath which no one could fall, rather than a safety net that only kicks in for the poor. Maybe, however, some rogue liberal state could get a waiver and do it on the state level.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024840124

[JohnnyReb]

If everything you need is free....why work and pay taxes to keep up all the other worthless bastards?

[USA4ME]

After reading that, singing the Soviet National Anthem would naturally follow.

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[Carl]

They do get wound up when talking about all the freebies they think they should have.

[GOBUCKS]

Food Stamps For All! How hard could it be to get done?

I would do away with food stamps altogether.

Require deadbeats to live entirely on DUmmy NJCher's puke stew.

My bet is they would all be self-supporting within a month.

[Dori]

After reading that, singing the Soviet National Anthem would naturally follow.

I always feel sick after reading threads like that. 

[obumazombie]

When you are a lib, there's no limit to what can be free.
Free pornography is a basic human right.

[JohnnyReb]

When you are a lib, there's no limit to what can be free.
Free pornography is a basic human right.

But you should have to pay for midget porn.......right?......right?

[obumazombie]

But you should have to pay for midget porn.......right?......right?

That sounds about right.
Did I ever tell you about the small medium at large ?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

But you should have to pay for midget porn.......right?......right?

Reduced price.




I dated a midget porn actress once.

I was nuts over her.

[Chris_]

But you should have to pay for midget porn.......right?......right?

You should at least tip well.

[obumazombie]

This is my kind of thread !

[landofconfusion80]

Reduced price.




I dated a midget porn actress once.

I was nuts over her.

[DumbAss Tanker]

That whole fish thing only works as long as there are actually plenty of fish to catch.  A more accurate analogy would be they want to try that fishing with explosives, which will produce a bunch of fish for a little while, then there won't be any left to catch.

[Big Dog]

LoveIsNow (178 posts)

12. I have had this same idea.

Everyone pays a specific tax for it and everyone gets something back,

Better idea, DUmmy. I keep what's mine, you keep what's yours, everybody else keeps what's theirs, the government gets just enough to fulfill its constitutional duties, and we all win.

which for almost everyone would be more than they paid.

Where will this "more than they paid" come from, DUmmy? Do you think the Tooth Fairy will just magic it up for you?

No, the clue is here: "almost everyone". Those poor bastards who are not part of your "almost everyone" don't count anyway- do they, DUmbass?

[98ZJUSMC]

upaloopa (3,566 posts)

3. Why stop there? Free houses for all!

Free clothes for all!
Free basic necessities for all!
Now let's just raise your tax rate to pay for it!

You can stop right there, but you won't....

Or let's find jobs for all and unions for all and living wages for all so that there is a return on our investments.
You can give a man a fish for today or you can teach him to fish.

You pooped all over yourself.  Right.  Would that be union fish?  Name a union that produces a return on investments?

otherone (730 posts)

4. we need a return on our investment

no doubt..

He was mocking you, dumb ass.

 

Although I do realize that simplistic platitudes and bumper-sticker wisdom is often the best many have to offer

How DARE you mock the (D)U stock and trade.  Heretic!  Please post a picture of a Conservativemobile plastered with idiotic non-seqiturs.  Truisms, are not simple platitudes and historical lessons are to be learned.

[obumazombie]

There are so many contrivances that are ripe for declaration as basic human rights.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

There are so many contrivances that are ripe for declaration as basic human rights.

Making shit up: It's a human right!

[obumazombie]

Making shit up: It's a human right!

Alright...now we are getting somewhere !

[GOBUCKS]

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:00 PM
Star Member Jackpine Radical (40,153 posts)
1. Wrong approach.

Everyone gets a livable minimum guaranteed income

Why a "livable minimum"? With rising prices, the DUmmy will always be on the verge of poverty.

No, we need to guarantee a "livable maximum", i.e., the most someone can spend on living expenses without accumulating obscene wealth.

Just think what an economic stimulus it would be if every man, woman, and child were guaranteed as much money as they could spend!

With a guaranteed livable maximum, combined with free healthcare for all, everyone would have a perpetual cushion against hardship.

I just don't see a down side to this plan. Why do the DUmmies hate the poor?

[obumazombie]

Why a "livable minimum"? With rising prices, the DUmmy will always be on the verge of poverty.

No, we need to guarantee a "livable maximum", i.e., the most someone can spend on living expenses without accumulating obscene wealth.

Just think what an economic stimulus it would be if every man, woman, and child were guaranteed as much money as they could spend!

With a guaranteed livable maximum, combined with free healthcare for all, everyone would have a perpetual cushion against hardship.

I just don't see a down side to this plan. Why do the DUmmies hate the poor?

As with all lib schemes the underlying question always remains. Why stop there ? The answer is, they never do. Their stops are calculated, and temporary.