http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6451721Oh my.
This was what I was looking for, when I got out the boat and rowed over to Skins's island to observe the primitives jibber-jabbering.
kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:08 PM
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McSame: "Patriotism is putting the country first before all else"
No you dumb ****, that's JINGOISM, not patriotism.
Listen to someone who's more qualified to speak the English language:
Obama: Patriotism means 'faith in one another as Americans'
Now see, that's inspirational. Makes you think. It actually has some meaning.
(top two headlines on Yahoo News...what a contrast. And from Parade magazine no less)
I dunno. When I first saw the headline about John McCain's comment, the first thing I thought of was John F. Kennedy and his "ask not what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country" remark.
Odd that the primitives don't remember that.
indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:16 PM
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1. Doesn't putting your country first mean putting the constitution above everything else?
elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:16 PM
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2. The citizens of Nazi Germany were more than willing to put the country before all else.
We all know how that worked out.
Uh huh.
Just like the Obamaite primitives putting their messiah before all else.
And it'll have the same ending when it works out.
IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:18 PM
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3. Sounds more like communism to me.
Sounds more like John F. Kennedy to me.
SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:18 PM
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4. Country first before all else?
**** that.
Hmmm. Obviously an Oklahoma football fan, maybe.
niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:26 PM
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5. "patriotism is the last refuge of fools and scoundrels"
Just like Obamaism is the last refuge of fools and primitives.
lligrd (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:27 PM
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6. My Country Right Or Wrong
What a good little Nazi McCain is.
Oh my. Where did John McCain say that? I thought he said something else.
lionesspriyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:29 PM
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7. if that were true maybe it would be patriotism. but people dont put america which is really a bunch of people and a lot of land above everything else. they put the concept of america, america as a dominant force, america as an enforcer of the world ahead of everything else.
while trampling on the rights of the people and the land of this country.
maybe, i am not being particularly clear here, but on the one hand you cannot destroy american land (arctic) and hate american people (continued discrimination and exploitation) and claim to be a patriot
Uh-huh, and how are rights getting along over there in India?
Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:30 PM
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8. OMG mcsame actually said that?
Yeah. Apparently John McCain borrowed it from John F. Kennedy.
gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:34 PM
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9. What does it even mean to "put the country first?"
If it means putting the needs of the country before one's own needs, then it seems to me like the country needs health care. The people who got the Bush tax cut windfall should display a little patriotism.
I would like to see McCain spell out what he means.
In the Bush administration, whenever there was a choice between the country suffering and Bush loyalists suffering, the country came first.
The Jonathan Swift primitive made an error, in the last sentence.
Unless, in the Freudian sense, the Jonathan Swift primitive subconsciously knows that to be true.
lionesspriyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:38 PM
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10. to me it means putting the interest of the greater good ahead of yours like freedom fighters in india who sacrificed their lives, so indians did not have to live under the oppressives rules and taxes of the brits.
like al gore, who sacrifices his time to make sure that at the end of all this bullshit we still have water and oxygen
like ted kennedy, who despite concern about his own health is still fighting for the average american.
that is patriotism.
I dunno where to begin with the
maharani primitive; her ignorance of history is abysmal.
But of course that goes for all the other primitives too.
Oregone (604 posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:40 PM
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11. Patriotism is a stupid concept
An idiots refuge. I have no use for it.
The Oregonian primitive's a mole. Too predictably, and amateurishly, primitivish.
PRT Donating Member (322 posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:54 PM
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12. Given how the concept has been misused, I sympathize with the sentiment....but when concepts are as culturally powerful as patriotism, declaring them useless just gives free rein to those who misuse it.
Oregone (604 posts) Thu Jul-03-08 04:17 PM
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15. Culturally powerful it may be, but also idiotic
Another opiate of the masses, no doubt.
Oh, its definitely not useless. But its uses are not entirely beneficial.
PRT Donating Member (322 posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:57 PM
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14. I like the comparison between McCain's and Obama's definition
Patriotism is love of country (or prior to nation states a kingdom/ruler, tribe, clan, etc...) Nationalism is putting that country first in all circumstances. Patriotism is rooted in the bonds of loyalty to a community; nationalism in the belief that my community is superior to all others. The Right has successfully conflated these two and declared all those who don't "unpatriotic."
I don't want to abandon patriotism; I want to take it back.
nomad1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 04:17 PM
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16. Mybe he could have put the Country ahead of his carnal needs and not violated the UMCJ by repeatedly committing adultry
Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 04:19 PM
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17. Patriotism and its derivative of nationalism have killed more people than anything else.
Nothing even comes close.
Oh. franksolich thought Christianity killed more people than anything else, according to the primitives.
My mistake.
