Funniest Fight Ever. (Cliven Bundy DU Style)

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Star Member dsc (40,697 posts)

4. and the next time a group of people don't want to follow a law
 
and the next time, and the time after that. Either we have laws which are obeyed or we don't.
 
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Response to dsc (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 01:52 PM

DustyJoe (192 posts)

15. unfortunately yes

With the executive branch and DOJ publicly selecting what laws they will enforce or not these past few years, does provide ammunition for this type of disdain for the law. Let's face it, if they can choose not to enforce trespassing over the national borders then why bother to enforce cows trespassing to eat some grass. A simple EO from the oval office or another edict from DOJ could render enforcement of this law moot like the others waived. Would save a lot of bad publicity. For the past over 100 years this family has grazed these lands with cows eating grass which regrows, why should there be this drama unfolding ? I guarantee wild cows and turtles lived together for centuries before this broughaha erupted. Jusy my opinion of course. 
 
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Response to DustyJoe (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:02 PM

Star Member Go Vols (2,165 posts)

24. +1
 
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Response to DustyJoe (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:08 PM

MohRokTah (70 posts)

31. Wow, you support a thief.
 
Just wow.
 
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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:23 PM

DustyJoe (192 posts)

46. thievery
 
I consider animals grazing a crop not harvested by anyone, and the crop regrows as landscaping. I suppose no one has ever plucked a flower from a public park for their SO. It is obvious that the past 100 years of grazing has been done in a controlled manner and not overtrampled or overgrazed as to not destroy the ability to graze again. What use pray tell does the federal govt. have for these grass clumps chomped on by bovines ? The sheer size of the grazing area and the long term use and care of the land. I just cannot come up with the term 'thief' for this. I figure the feds may have a different use for the land other than open space, military maybe or sellof, who knows. This is not simply about grazing fees.
 
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Response to DustyJoe (Reply #46)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:25 PM

MohRokTah (70 posts)

47. Wow, and even less informed about public lands in the west.


Just wow.

Did you know that in 1936, the land had been so overgrazed that the federal government tried to give it back to the states, and they refused because of how much it would cost the states to repair the damages of overgrazing?

That's how the BLM got started.

And now this asshole is overgrazing and destroying the land and you support that?

Wow, you support one man and his family profiting from the destruction of public lands.

Just wow.
 
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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:27 PM

Star Member JJChambers (524 posts)

51. Wow
 
Wow
 
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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:35 PM

IronGate (113 posts)

63. And you support an armed confrontation that could lead to deaths on both sides over some cattle
 
grazing on public lands.
 
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Response to IronGate (Reply #63)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:41 PM

AnalystInParadise (661 posts)

70. For the win
 
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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:40 PM

DustyJoe (192 posts)

68. westerner
 
Lived out West (4-corners) all my life and my acreage is a spit away from millions of BLM acres, some that is used for grazing. If the rancher had overgrazed / destroyed the grazing areas his family has used for 140 years, there wouldn't be an issue as there wouldn't be any grass. The BLM is one of the biggest wastes of tax dollars in the budget next to EPA. Again, my opinion.
 
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Response to DustyJoe (Reply #68)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:40 PM

MohRokTah (70 posts)

69. Wow
 
Just wow.

Bye.
 
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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #69)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:43 PM

DustyJoe (192 posts)

73. Hasta La Vista Amigo /nt
 




 
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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #69)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:49 PM

Star Member JJChambers (524 posts)

84. I've noticed you say Wow in most of your posts. You must be shocked easily.

Wow.

 

[Dori]

Uh oh.  Has Dusty Joe been given the granite cookie yet?  His posts alerted on?

[Texacon]

Wow ... Just ... Wow.

LOL!

KC

[I_B_Perky]

Star Member dsc (40,697 posts)

4. and the next time a group of people don't want to follow a law
 
and the next time, and the time after that. Either we have laws which are obeyed or we don't.

OWS anyone? Oh wait... that was OK cause that a was liberal cause. Typical dummie. If they don't agree with something it is a cardinal sin on the magnitude of murder, but if it is something they agree with, it is speaking truth to power. Oh and dummie... wasn't so long ago during the Bush administration there was the occupy the ditch bitches down in Texas and oh how you screamed when they were told to hit the road. I could go on and on but it would sail so far above your head it would waste my time.

Funny thing about that little kerfunkle in Nevada... the feds pulled out. How did OWS and the ditch bitches in Texas end up?

[zeitgeist]

Wow ... Just ... Wow.

LOL!

KC

Mo(le)Rok has been a busy little mole as evidenced in this thread:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10024813521

MohRokTah (104 posts)

Hey America! Don't like some law? Get together a couple hundred of your friends with guns!
  
The law won't be in effect any more so long as you and a couple hundred friends have guns and say you won't abide by the law!

Welcome to Galt's Gulch, where freedom reigns!

We're now livin' the Ayn Rand dream here in America!

This mole it trolling with live bait and getting hits.  Now how long lived will be another question.
He does give a bit away with the Galt's Gulch reference.  Most DUmmies are not that well versed in Atlas.  

[Zathras]

What's funny is the DUmbass accusing the rancher of thievery is supporting the true thieves, the BLM with their cattle rustling.

[JohnnyReb]

Has BLM killed, captured or sold all the wild horses and burros off government land? They're not native to the area or this country period and probably do more damage to range land than cows do.

[Maxiest]

Looks like the second amendment worked exactly as intended you cucking funts..  Although any citizen is outgunned by government technology and weapons now a days, its still very helpful. 

[Big Dog]

Memo to Dusty Joe: Log out of DU and never look back. The DUmpmonkeys are your enemies, by their choice. They will only be satisfied when you, I, and every other American who respects the natural right of Property, are dead.

Memo to Iron One: I know that, as a union firefighter,  you're a Democrat; but you have not yet gone full DUmpmonkey. Your paradoxical statement, that a member of the public (and his cattle) can trespass on "public" land, shows me that you are nearing full Dumpmonkitude, but there is still some hope for you.  Run away and save your remaining brain cells!

[BlueStateSaint]

According to a link on Drudge, BLM backed down . . . hours after a report was released linking Dingy Harry Reid and a Chinese firm, and a proposed solar farm, to the BLM action . . .

[tanstaafl]

Mo(le)Rok has been a busy little mole as evidenced in this thread:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10024813521

This mole it trolling with live bait and getting hits.  Now how long lived will be another question.
He does give a bit away with the Galt's Gulch reference.  Most DUmmies are not that well versed in Atlas.  

I read the DUmbass thread. The very last post is from LFR, where she basically sez: "Huh? Whuh? Did I miss something?"

[Skul]

Response to LittleBlue (Reply #59)
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 07:28 PM

nadinbrzezinski (132,523 posts)

101. In this case, that decision will come back to hunt all of us I'm sure it will, gNads.

Because all you need to do is threaten violence.

Oh and endangered species is not just cows. There is far more to this than grazing. But I guess that is fine, since who cares about other species?

Sorry, but I can see how many ways this will come back to hunt us as a nation. You think Bundy is alone? I know there are at least ten of that type in my local back country. They just got a free card. All you need to do is get our friends to come along armed, and walla the feds will back down! This will cause more of these incidents, not less. 

Don't argue, she has awards. 

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #197)
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:02 AM

nadinbrzezinski (132,523 posts)

198. I know, you know, I stopped writing a novel involving militias

and a school shooting, (ironically I was writing that scene, and also wrote one with one of these boy scouts flying a plane into the Federal building, since done), the day a certain school shooting happened in Colorado. I was writing that, and I put that file on permanent ice. but those books I read in the 1980s are just as applicable right now (Rage Across the Plain comes to mind)

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #198)
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 05:55 AM

maddezmom (133,991 posts)

201. ...

What haven't you done?

[vesta111]

I read the DUmbass thread. The very last post is from LFR, where she basically sez: "Huh? Whuh? Did I miss something?"

Not just you Tans, I believe I may have miss read something myself.

Far as I understand it the Bundy's have a contract with some government agency to allow grazing on Public Land as long as they made improvements on the land and the water sources.

This they have done at a much larger expense  then had they paid the land use taxes.   Years of hard work went into improvements for their and the public benefit. 

Now some politician wants the land to lease to some Chinese company to build some kind of energy grid.  The government now wants 20 years of unpaid taxes regardless of the contract and agreement made years ago.  [ I would think the Bundy's have put more money into land improvements then the government ever would or have even collecting money from the other ranchers.]

What is public land in other places in America ????    What are the benefits of the public of these lands ?

Get back into the OLD history books to see how the range wars started and ended, the building of the railroad and why the Buffalo had to be slaughtered, some say it was because there were so many they knocked down telegraph poles and caused trains to stop for a day or two as they passed over the tracks.

The public who do pay taxes to use the land also for their beef are scared they may be next, and have no choice but to defend the Bundy family.

I would also be out there defending the Bundy family even if all I could do was to feed the protesters.

[Dori]

The public who do pay taxes to use the land also for their beef are scared they may be next, and have no choice but to defend the Bundy family.

“Years ago, I (Bundy) used to have 52 neighboring ranchers,” he said. “I’m the last man standing. How come? Because BLM regulated these people off the land and out of business.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/07/feds-move-in-on-nevada-rancher-herd-over-illegal-grazing/

I would like to know about these other ranchers who he said have been put out of business by the government.

 

[longview]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/07/feds-move-in-on-nevada-rancher-herd-over-illegal-grazing/

I would like to know about these other ranchers who he said have been put out of business by the government.

 

Many have gone to work at mines of the Bakken and TX fracking fields, depending on their preference for weather.  Most often they didn't run as many cows as the Bundy's, not having the historical claims to water and pasture, and not being able to keep their kids in ranching.

It's happened in NV and other places where the Feds have regulated them out of existence.  These folks just don't write stories about themselves.

[longview]

Not just you Tans, I believe I may have miss read something myself.

<snip>

I would also be out there defending the Bundy family even if all I could do was to feed the protesters.

Miss Vesta, you pretty much nailed it.

[tanstaafl]

Not just you Tans, I believe I may have miss read something myself.

No, Vesta, I didn't miss anything. As a matter of fact, I was in the South Nevada area all last week and had a sort of ringside, bleacher seat. Didn't go to the Range site though, employer disapproves.

But the funny part was when it suddenly came to light late Thursday that Dingy Hairy's boy was brokering the deal for the Chinese to put in some solar power fields. That's when the feds decided to cave, had nothing to do with a couple dozen "militia" guys with guns.

How come the feds were supposedly all worried about the desert tortoise getting frightened by the cows but it would suddenly be OK for them to mix it up with bulldozers?

[Dori]

It's happened in NV and other places where the Feds have regulated them out of existence.  These folks just don't write stories about themselves.

It would be nice to know the aggregate amount of these incidences.  We occasionally hear about the eminent domain pieces of property, but little to nothing about how the government pushes people out of business for purposes other than what they say it's for. 

I get the sense that if Americans knew what was really going on there would be a lot more Bundy episodes.  It also wouldn't surprise me to find out that the real reason the BLM pulled back, was because they don't want national attention on what they are doing on a regular basis, away from the media.

 

[longview]

I get the sense that if Americans knew what was really going on there would be a lot more Bundy episodes.  It also wouldn't surprise me to find out that the real reason the BLM pulled back, was because they don't want national attention on what they are doing on a regular basis, away from the media.

 

There is interest in doing just that, and it has been helped by the Bundy incident.

Most recently the Wayne Hage family went through this and won.  currently the Diamond Bar ranch in New Mexico is facing similar problems with the BLM.

[Dori]

There is interest in doing just that, and it has been helped by the Bundy incident.

Most recently the Wayne Hage family went through this and won.  currently the Diamond Bar ranch in New Mexico is facing similar problems with the BLM.

Look how much land the Feds own 

[Big Dog]

Star Member dsc (40,697 posts)

4. and the next time a group of people don't want to follow a law
 
and the next time, and the time after that. Either we have laws which are obeyed or we don't.

Hmmm...

Methinks the DUmmy is ignoring:

King Hussein's Minister of Injustice abandoning the Defense of Marriage Act
King Hussein giving sanctuary to millions of illegal aliens
King Hussein's minions and ministers evading the Internal Revenue Code
King Hussein's minions and ministers perjuring themselves to Congress
King Hussein's unconstitutional diktats delaying his own health insurance killing law
King Hussein's NSA violating the Constitution and Federal law against every American citizen

When the king ignores the law, then the law has no meaning. As above, so below.

[GOP Congress]

I would also be out there defending the Bundy family even if all I could do was to feed the protesters.

Courage may win battles, but logistics win wars.

[Bad Dog]

What chaps my cojones is that these idiots are all about "free range" chicken and eggs but, they are all in for the messiah sending them to the feed lot for their beef.

[DefiantSix]

Has BLM killed, captured or sold all the wild horses and burros off government land? They're not native to the area or this country period and probably do more damage to range land than cows do.

As you probably already know, NO, the BLM isn't doing a damned thing to keep the wild horse/burro population in check, and the overgrazing problem here in some of the counties of Utah has gotten so bad, that sheriff's departments have thrown down the gauntlet for the Feds: "do something about it, or WE will".

Did I mention that there is a movement with strong support here in the state, to divest the Federal Govermnent of all public land holdings in Utah, either to state control, or for sale to private entities?

[franksolich]

Look how much land the Feds own 

One of the problems with that too is that federal land isn't property-taxed, like privately-owned land, and so it puts more pressure on the private landowneres, who do pay taxes/