Federal Snipers Train Guns on Family For Filming Cattle

[Ptarmigan]

Federal Snipers Train Guns on Family For Filming Cattle
http://www.infowars.com/federal-snipers-train-guns-on-family-for-filming-cattle/

Federal snipers with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) trained guns on members of a family yesterday after they dared to stop and take video footage of cattle outside the bounds of a designated “First Amendment Area,” before arresting one of the men for non-compliance.

I am no fan of Alex Jones as it is from this website. The increasing police state of government agency is disturbing.

[Mr Mannn]

Anything on the Alex Jones site is questionable. If this story cannot be verified with a second source, then it did not happen.

His site is just that bad. trust nothing there.

[longview]

I don't know who Alex Jones is, but the problems the Bundy family is having, and has had, with the Feds for 20 years is very real.

I see some sites say the Bundy's haven't paid their grazing fees for those years.  Yeah, they have. 

It's about water.  That and contracts and other rights.  And, yes, the Feds were well armed and hostile when they went in there.  I don't have permission to share photos from some that were there when the Feds came in the other day. 

Bad deal.  Unbelievable.

[Dori]

The increasing police state of government agency is disturbing.

Yes it is.  I watched the FOX special "Enemies of the State" and they covered a bit of how government is out of control.

The cases in point also seemed to be political in nature.  One guess which party was being the bully.

[thundley4]

Yes it is.  I watched the FOX special "Enemies of the State" and they covered a bit of how government is out of control.

The cases in point also seemed to be political in nature.  One guess which party was being the bully.

I watched that over the weekend, too.

Here's One of the stories covered by Fox. http://blog.heritage.org/2013/06/11/court-rebuffs-government-overreach-in-nevada/

And here is a supporting story about the Bundy case. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/05/tension-growing-between-ranchers-mustang-backers/

[Mr Mannn]

I watched that over the weekend, too.

Here's One of the stories covered by Fox. http://blog.heritage.org/2013/06/11/court-rebuffs-government-overreach-in-nevada/

And here is a supporting story about the Bundy case. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/05/tension-growing-between-ranchers-mustang-backers/

Thank you for the legit sources.

[vesta111]

Thank you for the legit sources.

Questions here.

So the Feds round up the cattle and cart them off for sale to who ???? 

Who owns the beef ? Who has put good money into their health and back breaking work to raise them ?     

This as a scenario of sorts can be interesting down the line.   Say you own a puppy and it wanders off your property to end up in a public park.   Dog tags collar and all shots all legal for your town.

Someone calls the dog catcher, your pup is rounded up and sold to some pet dealer in town as breeding stock.   This is YOUR dog but as it was found on public land you have no right to them to breed or get income from them.

Nads is writing a Science Fiction - about the future, what about children  taken to be sold to the highest bidder if found on public land without a parent 3 feet from them.

    Today, Very disturbing story, then the fact that some beef will die without water is gruesome
 
What the Hell has become of our government. our past and our future ?

Personal story, MOM lives on property from her husband ,been in the family for 14 generations, one would think a Grandfather clause would come in here some where.

She at 90 +  carted off to jail if she dares sit on her property and sit on the bank and put a string with a hook in the water & bait  to catch her dinner, unless she pays for a fishing license to survive on a salt water area that goes into the ocean.

Rant not just over yet, Anyone know the price of a license to dig clams from the freaking  mud when the tide goes out ?

[longview]

The Feds say the rancher didn't pay grazing fees and they will keep the proceeds from the cattle sale.

There is even a question of whether this is Fed or County land.  In 1998, law was passed giving the BLM more control over any public land, not just Fed.

Part of the grazing agreement was that Bundy's would improve water on the allotment, which they did.  The only decent areas in that allotment is where they improved the water over the past 80 years.  Bundy loses his grazing, he loses his access to HIS water. 

It's a rotten mess.  One point the Feds try to use is that the area is habitat for desert tortoise.  So?  Ranchers and their livestock don't harm the tortoise.  They actually help it.

It's about Federal agency control.

[Dori]

One point the Feds try to use is that the area is habitat for desert tortoise. 

They sure don't have any trouble broiling the desert tortoise in California, under all those solar panels.  Or killing endangered and migrating birds with all their wind farms.   

[JohnnyReb]

They sure don't have any trouble broiling the desert tortoise in California, under all those solar panels.  Or killing endangered and migrating birds with all their wind farms.   

But that's different.

[vesta111]

The Feds say the rancher didn't pay grazing fees and they will keep the proceeds from the cattle sale.

There is even a question of whether this is Fed or County land.  In 1998, law was passed giving the BLM more control over any public land, not just Fed.

Part of the grazing agreement was that Bundy's would improve water on the allotment, which they did.  The only decent areas in that allotment is where they improved the water over the past 80 years.  Bundy loses his grazing, he loses his access to HIS water. 

It's a rotten mess.  One point the Feds try to use is that the area is habitat for desert tortoise.  So?  Ranchers and their livestock don't harm the tortoise.  They actually help it.

It's about Federal agency control.

Oh yes the desert tortoise, great benefactor to man.  Much more important to humans then the cattle that graze next to them.

These turtles are of little benefit to man kind, cows, sheep and goats have fed humans  for thousand of years, these little critters as tortoise  will not disappear, they will come back as has some of species we think extinct.

Nuts, no one species of bird or animal is as important as a child that needs food.

Why are the people in the Government trying to figure out how to do something with the Asian Carp in the Great Lakes, and figure out how to use the huge protein they hold ???  Darn some of these suckers weigh 80+pounds.

[Ptarmigan]

Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/07/feds-move-in-on-nevada-rancher-herd-over-illegal-grazing/

For 20 years, a tough-as-leather Nevada rancher and the federal government have been locked in a bitter range war over cattle grazing rights.

This weekend the confrontation got worse, when the feds hired contract cowboys to start seizing Cliven Bundy's cattle, which have been grazing on public land managed by the Bureau of Land Management. The government officials brought a show of force that included dozens of armed agents in SUVs and helicopters.

Bundy, 67, who has been a rancher all his life, accuses BLM of stampeding over on his rights.

Government power goes too far.

[Ptarmigan]

They sure don't have any trouble broiling the desert tortoise in California, under all those solar panels.  Or killing endangered and migrating birds with all their wind farms.   

Hypocrisy runs deep, especially with the left.

[Gina]

It's estimated to cost $3 million for this round up. Are the DUmpmonkies upset over this?

[longview]

Bundy, 67, who has been a rancher all his life, accuses BLM of stampeding over on his rights.

"stampeding over his rights."  Indeed.  Isn't that cute?  The media portraying a rancher as using colloquialisms.  

The Bundy's are surrounded by Feds; BLM, FBI, Homeland (in)Security.  A bit more serious than stampeding.  Today BLM thugs knocked down a woman in her 60s and then tasered the guy that ran up to help her.  Some accuse the BLM of putting on agents not usually employed by them.

Wayne Hage, from a family who recently went through this sort of crap with the Feds also went to the Bundy ranch in support of them.  

BTW, the Feds are doing something similar in TX right now, too, to ranchers along the Rio Grande.  116 miles of it.

[Chris_]

From the family statement I read, he claims his cattle were on his own land, not the feds.

[longview]

It's estimated to cost $3 million for this round up. Are the DUmpmonkies upset over this?

No guano!

And, if this were really about the desert tortoise, the gov sucks at that and the animal will be in trouble.  They are euthanizing some of the ones they pulled because they can't care for them and the tortoises are failing in health.  

[longview]

From the family statement I read, he claims his cattle were on his own land, not the feds.

Bundy's don't own much.  Maybe 150 acres.  The land they leased was county, Clark County, NV land.  BLM bulled their way in.

Is the BLM motive water?  Water for urbanites?  Water for future fracking?  Is it about simple control?  600,000 acres isn't inconsequential.  Is it about the stupid tortoise.  An animal that actually benefits from co-existing with herbivores like cattle?  Is this about state's rights?