DUmmies Upset About Legal Immigration

[Dori]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4786385

Sarah Ibarruri (20,662 posts)

The number of (nearly all professional) jobs given to immigrants via H1b visas in 2012 was 821,000

I don't know what it was in 2013, but it's been growing steadily. The actual limit is supposed to be 65,000, but obviously the law is not being adhered to.

Most of those jobs went to Chinese and Indians who requested H1b visas.

To request an H1b visa, the immigrant must first show he/she has been offered a job here by the American company that offered the job.

In my view, that's 821,000 jobs which aren't being made public to American citizens.

That, from a seminar on immigration law I went to today.

JazzFanInTX (4 posts)

1. H1B is corporate welfare
 
This is a very sensitive issue, and one which is close to my heart, being an engineer myself. The phony "engineering shortage" has been an industry meme since before I became an engineer in the 1970s. The H1B system restricts the participant to work only for the company that hires them. This creates an alternate economic system for which no wage competition exists. The H1B participant gets hired at a much lower salary than U.S. market rate, then is prevented from obtaining employment at the market rate for their skills. The only beneficiaries of this are the corporations that lobby for the H1B system to begin with.

Conservative beneficiaries of this corporate welfare system have played the associated political game brilliantly. They are able to turn liberals against one another with the argument that "if you're against H1B, you're a xenophobic racist" or similar argument. But it really is a beautiful illustration of Robert Reich's argument regarding the paradox of free markets. One must have regulation for markets to be free. Otherwise, market participants will attempt to enact legislation which restricts the free market to favor their special interests. H1B is a classic example of this.

Skip Intro (19,296 posts)

36. Jobs should go to citizens of the USA before immigrants.
 
Legal or otherwise.

Citizens of this country, American workers, should not have to go without a job because someone from another country has taken it.

Assuming equal qualifications.

So far 107 posts and growing  

[JohnnyReb]

But stupid illegals are fine with the DUmmies.

[FlaGator]

I work in the IT field as a database administrator and I can tell you that we can't find any qualified candidates be they American or Indian or Chinese. We have 5 open positions for Ops DBAs and 4 for developer DBAs and can find anyone qualified to fill the roles. There is a shortage of qualified people in my field regardless of what the libs say. It is no myth.

[GOBUCKS]

I work in the IT field as a database administrator and I can tell you that we can't find any qualified candidates be they American or Indian or Chinese. We have 5 open positions for Ops DBAs and 4 for developer DBAs and can find anyone qualified to fill the roles. There is a shortage of qualified people in my field regardless of what the libs say. It is no myth.

I hope nadin is reading this. She knows all that shit.

[Gina]

But stupid illegals are fine with the DUmmies.

Right because those illegal type immigrants will clean up after them, not compete for their job.  Wow!

[98ZJUSMC]

I work in the IT field as a database administrator and I can tell you that we can't find any qualified candidates be they American or Indian or Chinese. We have 5 open positions for Ops DBAs and 4 for developer DBAs and can find anyone qualified to fill the roles. There is a shortage of qualified people in my field regardless of what the libs say. It is no myth.

......and then, the DNC® Operative sez:

JazzFanInTX (4 posts)

1. H1B is corporate welfare
 
This is a very sensitive issue, and one which is close to my heart, being an engineer myself. The phony "engineering shortage" has been an industry meme since before I became an engineer in the 1970s.

Wasn't it their annointed halfrican flim-flam man who was pounding that drum a couple of years ago?  You know (D)Ummies,


 
the World's Smartest Fruit Roll-up....... right?

I hope nadin is reading this. She knows all that shit.

...and wishes she didn't.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Right because those illegal type immigrants will clean up after them, not compete for their job.  Wow!

Rich white people worried about the brown man taking what they got.

[Delmar]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI[/youtube]

[GOBUCKS]

DUmmies hate H1B foreigners because they're professionals, and if they ever become citizens they'll be repukes.

DUmmies love illegal mexicans, muzzies, and assorted human debris, because if they ever become citizens they'll be democrats.

[DLR Pyro]

Why do DUmmies hate talented Chinese and Indian workers?

[miskie]

What a delightful find !

Some of the primitives do seem to dance around a basic truth, but the truth is mostly ignored.

Employing illegals at wages below what a citizen would get for the same job pushes the value of wages down for everyone.

And as long as the Obama amnesty push is in effect, wages will continue to suffer from downward pressure.

[Ptarmigan]

DUmmies show their true color.

[DLR Pyro]

H1b visa immigrants are here as an act of love. What do the DUmmies have against love?

[Maxiest]

DUmmies hate H1B foreigners because they're professionals, and if they ever become citizens they'll be repukes.

DUmmies love illegal mexicans, muzzies, and assorted human debris, because if they ever become citizens they'll be democrats.

No DUmmies love illegal mexicans, muzzies, and assorted human debris because citizen or not they vote democrat.

[Karin]

I rowed over, and it occurred to me that I don't remember the last time I read a thread that didn't erupt into them accusing each other of being rightwing freeper cavethuglicans. 

The way they treat each other is frankly shocking. 

[Celtic Rose]

The law is being adhered to quite well.  The law states that 65,000 new H-1B visas may be given per year, the 820,000 number obviously includes H-1B renewals as well.  The application period for the fiscal year starting October 1, 2014 opened April 1st, and the cap (maximum number of accepted applications) was reached yesterday or the day before.  

H-1B's are temporary work visas, 6 year maximum unless a green card application is also in process, and part of the employment based green card application does indeed require proving that there are no qualified US workers willing to work that job.

Sarah, maybe you should leave the legal interpretation to the lawyers rather than citing a "seminar" as your legal source.

[GOBUCKS]

I rowed over, and it occurred to me that I don't remember the last time I read a thread that didn't erupt into them accusing each other of being rightwing freeper cavethuglicans. 

The way they treat each other is frankly shocking. 

Way to quote the latest left wing talking points.

Enjoy your stay.

[GOP Congress]

Legal immigration =
Naturalized citizens who know the constitution =
More likely to work at taxable jobs =
More likely to pay taxes =
Less likely to use tax-payer services =
Far more likely to vote Republican than illegal (or amnesty-given) immigrants

Illegal immigration =
Non-citizens who don't give a DAMN about the constitution =
Less likely to work at taxable jobs =
Less likely to pay taxes =
Far more likely to use taxpayer services =
Far more likely to vote Democrat (illegally, or with amnesty, quasi-legally)

Bottom line:

GOP overwhelmingly supports LEGAL immigration
Democrats overwhelmingly do NOT support LEGAL immigration

Ergo,

GOP overwhelmingly does NOT support ILLEGAL immigration
Democrats overwhelmingly support ILLEGAL immigration (or amnesty or whatever)

The prosecution rests.

[BannedFromDU]

Why do DUmmies hate talented Chinese and Indian workers?

     Because, generally speaking, Chinese and Indian workers accept the burden of proof. They accept that they have to develop job skills and talent,and they're willing to work hard to do what it takes. DUmmies, on the other hand, have outdated job skills and/or horrible attitudes and/or unreasonable demands. This is akin to the situation in which I can order my Carl's Jr (Hardee's, to those of you elsewhere) from a beaming young Mexican immigrant instead of a ****ing worthless liberal asshole who demands a pension for making change.