the cousin looks back at our years

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12021243

Oh my.

Caution: it's pretty boring.

nadinbrzezinski (132,253 posts)    Mon Mar 31, 2014, 11:41 PM

Looking back at our years, from the vantage point of the far future. Like 3345. Events such as the election of George Bush are minor, when compared to the first colony on Mars (and the date I chose for the first manned mission is within NASA's projections).
 
It is always exciting to try to figure out what would matter to a regular Joe looking at us the same way we look at the Middle Ages. I do not think the 2000 theft will matter that much (well except maybe to one of the factions).

Tsiyu (15,909 posts)       Tue Apr 1, 2014, 03:10 AM

1. People are always interested in socio-economic strata

"If I were a regular Josie in 2013, what would my life have been like?"

I guess if that's your question, you would be interested in the main industries of the time, in the levels of income among classes, in the minimum wage, in the sorts of jobs people did and the fashions they wore. What were their budgets like? How did they decorate? What were their forms of energy and transportation and medicine?
 
How did they court, mate, deliver kids, raise kids and educate kids? What rites of passage did they carry out?
 
So many things people like to know about when in museums have very little to do with key people or events, but concern those mundane daily activities.
 
I think ACA will be remembered as an historic change in the US health care system, and I think Obama's historic election and re-election will be defining events when we are viewed from the future.

nadinbrzezinski (132,253 posts)    Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:05 AM

2. I don't think the US of the ACA will be more important

Than Eleanor of Aquitaine is to us.

One of the factions I am creating might a tad more. But that would be for the extremely well educated in ancient Terran history.

Tsiyu (15,909 posts)    Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:24 PM

3. Well, when we look back at FDR both during depression,

and post depression, we think "Social Security begins." We do remember social programs.
 
Although everything depends on the history being taught to your characters in a fictional scenario. So, yeah, think the way they would think. Question what they would question.

nadinbrzezinski (132,253 posts)    Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:33 PM

4. My time line properly starts on January 1, 3345

Things like the development of the first space drive, I can see among the well educated elite. I mean, you do need those to get between solar systems. The ACA, not really. In fact, the only reason why one faction sort of remembers the US, the way we remember Greece, is that they consider themselves a democracy. Are they? That be up for debate. Pericles, we sort of remember, Thucydides, not so much, for example.
 
By the way, what is Eleanor of Aquitaine known for? Social security, the ACA, the Battle of Gettysburg... the last one will survive. We are far better at preserving military history than other types of history.

Tsiyu (15,909 posts)    Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:43 PM

5. A lot can happen in 1331 years!

There could be changes we can't even fathom, like the difference between 683 AD and now.
 
They'd freak if they saw iPads and smartphones way back when.

And Prius' and HumVees.

And Kevlar and Automatic weapons

nadinbrzezinski (132,253 posts)    Tue Apr 1, 2014, 01:17 PM

6. All that would be magic to them

and that is my point. What matters to us is truly not going to be relevant that far into the future, assuming the species survives that is. Science fiction is truly a parable of the present, since none of us can truly predict the future, So we are making comments on the present.
 
But when creating a credible time line I need to look at what we consider important from yes, Ancient Greece and Rome and the dark ages, and extrapolate as to what might be historic markers for our friends in the future.
 
So while I will use familiar technology (yes Tablets and memory sticks, and even cash), in reality what would be common tech that far in the future is not something I can predict. What I can is the kind of social unrest that led to the need to leave the nest faster than we can say that, so yes, global climate change is a critical historic event, and I believe it will be a critical event as well. So I am pepering the early timeline, our present, with things like the UN climate report just released by the UN.

SheilaT (14,556 posts)    Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:43 AM

7. Sometimes, when someone says that the obvious

proof that time travel is never invented is that if it had been, we'd have lots of time travellers amongst us. I say, What if time travel isn't invented for a thousand, or five thousand, or even thirty thousand years? Time travellers might not be at all interested in visiting our particular time, or if they did they'd be paying attention to things that interest the from that distant future, and in a way that means we'd never notice they were here from the future.
 
I also have a hypothesis that Our Lady of Fatima was really a time traveller from the future with a time machine that didn't work very well.

nadinbrzezinski (132,253 posts)    Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:46 AM

8. That is an interesting take

my view, assuming my future time line had time travel (it is theoretically possible given the physics I am using) I suspect they would be interested in what led to the brane drive, not our daily tribulations.
 
Now I will have to read her warnings with that in mind, thanks.

<<<got stoned without benefit of marijuana, reading all this.

[FlippyDoo]

nadinbrzezinski (132,253 posts)    Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:05 AM

2. I don't think the US of the ACA will be more important

Than Eleanor of Aquitaine is to us.

One of the factions I am creating might a tad more. But that would be for the extremely well educated in ancient Terran history.

A nadinologist?

[obumazombie]

A nadinologist?

A reader of the bumps on nadin's head ? Or a maker of bumps on nadin's head ?
Will that be 1 lump or 2 ?

[FlippyDoo]

A reader of the bumps on nadin's head ? Or a maker of bumps on nadin's head ?
Will that be 1 lump or 2 ?

Not exactly, but a nadinologist would know all about the bumps on nadin’s head.

Think of it this way, nadin knows every thing and has done every thing. She holds more knowledge in her fivehead than all the libraries in the world. The fabled Library of Alexandria is like unto a popcorn fart when compared to her. In addition, the entire universe and every situation in the universe revolves around nadin.

With that in mind, it stands to reason that anyone extremely well educated in Terran history would, by default, have to be well educated about nadin. In other words, a nadinologist.

[obumazombie]

This thread is developing nicely.

[Delmar]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12021243

Oh my.

Caution: it's pretty boring.

<<<got stoned without benefit of marijuana, reading all this.

Yup, a real mind blower.  It's like the Zager & Evans hit song In The Year 2525 updated for the age of Obama.

I think ACA will be remembered as an historic change in the US health care system, and I think Obama's historic election and re-election will be defining events when we are viewed from the future.

[thundley4]

I think ACA will be remembered as an historic change in the US health care system, and I think Obama's historic election and re-election will be defining events when we are viewed from the future.

Not all defining evens are viewed as positive, and like those won't be.

[Bad Dog]

I don't think there is even a word to describe the extent of Nad's delusion.

[tanstaafl]

I don't think there is even a word to describe the extent of Nad's delusion.

I can only think of one:






Crazy.
Blind, barking moonbat crazy.

[BlueStateSaint]

I can only think of one:






Crazy.
Blind, barking moonbat crazy.

That's actually four words . . .

[98ZJUSMC]

I don't think there is even a word to describe the extent of Nad's delusion.

That sums up it up pretty well.

[tanstaafl]

That's actually four words . . .

Technically, you may be correct. But the word is crazy. The other three are just to describe the kind of crazy.

[FlippyDoo]

I really think it's difficult to describe her in only one word.

She's a nadinistic individual who nadins info, writes in nadinese, uses a lot of nadinisms, and uses the nadinetric system of measurement.
She's a superstar. The greatest DUmmie of all time. The only thing holding her back is the bullies on DU.

[vesta111]

Actually I believe she mentioned she was writing a short novel and is picking brains for ideas.

Personally I think she has gone too far into the future even 100 years is difficult to contemplate.

Watching the old TV ads from the 50's as to how GE envisioned the kitchen of the future of year of 2,000 is fun, but still unrealistic.

 Someone still has to wash the floors, swab down the counters, put the dishes away, the knife, fork, and spoon will not change.

Heck what ever happened to our space program, we still know little of the back side of our own Moon much less what is on the bottom of the world oceans.

Naturally we will find a more efficient bathroom, and sewer systems, new drugs to combat disease.

Comments on time travel got me interested as I have conjured up a theory that the so called little gray people are actually time travelers from the future, they have too many human traits to be from some other world.    They walk on two legs have a head that looks like a hazmat suit and travel about in air ships that our military has at this time almost duplicated.   

What happens when people run into these critters, will 100 years from now the mystery of hypnoses has been found ?    Are we like the apes in the jungle that are just 2 or less on the DNA plan for them ????

Lot's of fun speculating on the mysteries we have yet to uncover on Planet Earth.   As we cannot predict what will happen in the next hour in the day, it is best to live each minute and be glad you survive to the next minute.

[obumazombie]

nadin is a nadinational treasure.

[GOBUCKS]

I really think it's difficult to describe her in only one word.

She's a nadinistic individual who nadins info, writes in nadinese, uses a lot of nadinisms, and uses the nadinetric system of measurement.
She's a superstar. The greatest DUmmie of all time. The only thing holding her back is the bullies on DU.

Her nadinettes may start a religion based on the book she's 'writting' - "Nadinetics".

[obumazombie]

Her nadinettes may start a religion based on the book she's 'writting' - "Nadinetics".

It will put L. Ron Hubbard to shame !

[98ZJUSMC]

Actually I believe she mentioned she was writing a short novel and is picking brains for ideas.

There is not enough Tylenol manufactured to get through the first three pages.

[98ZJUSMC]

Her nadinettes may start a religion based on the book she's 'writting' - "Nadinetics".

[Dori]

Her nadinettes may start a religion based on the book she's 'writting' - "Nadinetics".

^Good one....

[FlippyDoo]

Her nadinettes may start a religion based on the book she's 'writting' - "Nadinetics".

Nadinetics: Several thousand pages of word salad starting with "Now listen here" and ending with "I wish I didn't know this shit." Suffice it to say it will shoot to the top of the best seller charts like a 30out8 riffle slug.