Sarah Ibawhatever thinks tax DEDUCTIONS are welfare

[BannedFromDU]

Sarah Ibarruri (20,053 posts)

Tax Deductions are a HUGE form of welfare, and the richest people are getting the most welfare
Tax deductions are a HUGE form of welfare. Right wingers constantly say that deductions aren't welfare, but that's bs. If one person can't afford to take a deduction (for example, the mortgage tax deduction), then that person is not keeping money.

Those people who can afford to take a deduction (say, those who are buying homes because they have money enough to buy one), are the ones getting to KEEP money rather than pay it to the maintenance of the country. Keeping money rather than paying it in to maintain the country, is the same as being sent a check in the mail.

What a blithering idiot.



     So let me get this straight. I have a mortgage. I get to deduct the interest, and that's WELFARE? If that's welfare, then people without mortgages must be paying the same tax. Except duh, they don't.

     Also, she's in favor of the capital gains tax (of, oh, 99.999% I reckon), but NOT deductions for cap losses, deferred or not. In other words, if you win, she wants some. If you lose, well, tough shit, mother****er.

     What else would you expect from someone whose avatar is of a woman who demands free birth control?

[Big Dog]

Sarah Imaboobie suffers from the classic proglodyte's delusion: that the government owns our property and the fruits of our labors (our "ablility"), and we are only entitled to that portion of it which the government deems (our "need").

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I'm not sure if it was her but more than 1 Proglodyte will tell you the government produces ALL economic activity when it puts currency into the economy because without that currency then the economy would have no means of exchange.

Thus the government is the true owner of all things.

Furthermore the assertion is made that taxes are the vehicle by which the government controls inflation so a corporation paying lower taxes is a threat to price controls.

Yes, I know; but there you have it.

[diesel driver]

DUmmie Sarah Ibestoopid sure don't have a lot going for her.

Win, you pay!
Lose, you pay!

Their zeal to "punish the rich" is driving them insane, which for DUmmies is a short trip.

[Big Dog]

I'm not sure if it was her but more than 1 Proglodyte will tell you the government produces ALL economic activity when it puts currency into the economy because without that currency then the economy would have no means of exchange.

Thus the government is the true owner of all things.

Furthermore the assertion is made that taxes are the vehicle by which the government controls inflation so a corporation paying lower taxes is a threat to price controls.

Yes, I know; but there you have it.

If it wasn't her, it ought to have been.

[Carl]

This is nothing more than leftist tripe trying to legitimize actual welfare (odumbocare subsidies) by equating those with deductions written into the tax code.

A deduction goes towards a tax burden,the subsidy does not.
The subsidy is a welfare handout and nothing more.

[BannedFromDU]

This is nothing more than leftist tripe trying to legitimize actual welfare (odumbocare subsidies) by equating those with deductions written into the tax code.

A deduction goes towards a tax burden,the subsidy does not.
The subsidy is a welfare handout and nothing more.

     Don't ask a DUmmy to understand the difference.

[Carl]

     Don't ask a DUmmy to understand the difference.

They would be better pontificating on the theory of relativity then economics.
At least on the former they might by accident get something right.
On economics they start with the impossible so can never be correct.

[GOP Congress]

Tell you what.

I'll remove the deduction on my mortgage, IF I don't have to pay annual property taxes. Remember, I'm buying not just house, but property too.

Quid pro quo, idiot.

[Chris_]

Tell you what.

I'll remove the deduction on my mortgage, IF I don't have to pay annual property taxes. Remember, I'm buying not just house, but property too.

Quid pro quo, idiot.

Mortgage deduction for responsible home owners = bad
Earned income credit for irresponsible hood rats = good

[Mary Ann]

Does anyone know how old DUmmie Sarah Imaboobi is? She seems like a know-it-all 14-year old, who needs a good dose of reality--in the form of a JOB.

[GOBUCKS]

Sarah Imaboobi has been cranky for the past couple of months.

She's between boyfriends.

It's happened over and over.

A man picks her up, he uses her a few times, and realizes how lousy she is in the sack.  

With that, plus her repulsive personality, he discards her.

Once again, she returns to the DUmp cranky as hell.

Over and over.

[BannedFromDU]

Sarah Imaboobi has been cranky for the past couple of months.

She's between boyfriends.

It's happened over and over.

A man picks her up, he uses her a few times, and realizes how lousy she is in the sack.  

With that, plus her repulsive personality, he discards her.

Once again, she returns to the DUmp cranky as hell.

Over and over.

     Had not noticed that. Sounds like men have been deducting their johnsons from her, and she's all butthurt.

     And they want Hillary as President?

[Dori]

I have a plan.  Eliminate all deductions and put in a 10% flat tax across the board.

That's total equality, and the dummies should love it.

[jtyangel]

What a blithering idiot.



     So let me get this straight. I have a mortgage. I get to deduct the interest, and that's WELFARE? If that's welfare, then people without mortgages must be paying the same tax. Except duh, they don't.

     Also, she's in favor of the capital gains tax (of, oh, 99.999% I reckon), but NOT deductions for cap losses, deferred or not. In other words, if you win, she wants some. If you lose, well, tough shit, mother****er.

     What else would you expect from someone whose avatar is of a woman who demands free birth control?

Where she is missing the point is that deduction can be taken IF you have paid taxes in(which that salary would be indicative of) and have contributed something in some way to the economy if it is not direct taxes.
Essentially the deduction is given to encourage some kind of fiscal and economic participation in the country. You are given a break on taxes since you have 'done your part' already by spending your earnings in a way which helps the country--one of those things being the purchase of a home.

Now, I bet she doesn't have a problem with EITC which is a CREDIT and not a deduction ie someone does not have to necessarily pay anything in(whether taxes or economic activity) to receive it--they  just have to basically be "American" poor and get extra points for having children and being poor(a pity considering tax laws are passed to help shape behavior that we encourage that kind of irresponsibility). That is pure welfare. Sadly it's meant to probably avoid having to pay people in other benefits, but since so many of the lower socio economic classes are vapid consumers(the kind dummies supposedly say they despise) it never quite works out how it was probably meant to be used.

[obumazombie]

Where she is missing the point is that deduction can be taken IF you have paid taxes in(which that salary would be indicative of) and have contributed something in some way to the economy if it is not direct taxes.
Essentially the deduction is given to encourage some kind of fiscal and economic participation in the country. You are given a break on taxes since you have 'done your part' already by spending your earnings in a way which helps the country--one of those things being the purchase of a home.

Now, I bet she doesn't have a problem with EITC which is a CREDIT and not a deduction ie someone does not have to necessarily pay anything in(whether taxes or economic activity) to receive it--they  just have to basically be "American" poor and get extra points for having children and being poor(a pity considering tax laws are passed to help shape behavior that we encourage that kind of irresponsibility). That is pure welfare. Sadly it's meant to probably avoid having to pay people in other benefits, but since so many of the lower socio economic classes are vapid consumers(the kind dummies supposedly say they despise) it never quite works out how it was probably meant to be used.

Exactly right.

According to libs if you pay in a bunch of tax, and get to deduct a little, that's welfare.
If you don't pay taxes, but get money through a government program, that's not welfare.

[GOBUCKS]

And the DUmmies with a part-time minimum-wage job get the same standard deduction as normal people.

But that's not welfare.

[Karin]

Well that's quite the thread.  Lots of arguing, as usual.  But, when a DUmmie says this to you:

Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #45)

Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:15 PM

joeglow3 (4,582 posts)

47. Like I said, the ignorance hurts.

You know you're stupid.

Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:01 PM

Star Member oldhippie (2,736 posts)

69. All your money are belong to us.
 
Yeah, that's it.

Sarah is one of those progs who fervently believe the government owns all the money, and decides how many pennies you get to have.  What a ****ing Commie.

She gets pretty much raked over the coals on that thread. 

[freedumb2003b]

This is nothing more than leftist tripe trying to legitimize actual welfare (odumbocare subsidies) by equating those with deductions written into the tax code.

A deduction goes towards a tax burden,the subsidy does not.
The subsidy is a welfare handout and nothing more.

I say we go full progtard on her.  She things tax credits and deductions are bad?  Eliminate the EIC.

[Rebel]

I say we go full progtard on her.  She things tax credits and deductions are bad?  Eliminate the EIC.

How about just an honest definition? What exactly is E in the ITC?

[jtyangel]

How about just an honest definition? What exactly is E in the ITC?

I think it's a participation trophy for bothering to work at all.

[Chris_]

I think it's a participation trophy for bothering to work at all.

spot on.

[blitzkrieg_17]

Some very common-sense(and un-DUmmylike) replies there. But this is one of the best:

Throd (4,267 posts)

112. I don't tax with you!

Your uniformed rantings remind me of someone similar.

[DLR Pyro]

How about just an honest definition? What exactly is E in the ITC?

Entitled

[DLR Pyro]

Sarah Ibarruri (20,053 posts)

Tax Deductions are a HUGE form of welfare, and the richest people are getting the most welfare
Tax deductions are a HUGE form of welfare. Right wingers constantly say that deductions aren't welfare, but that's bs. If one person can't afford to take a deduction (for example, the mortgage tax deduction), then that person is not keeping money.

Those people who can afford to take a deduction (say, those who are buying homes because they have money enough to buy one), are the ones getting to KEEP money rather than pay it to the maintenance of the country. Keeping money rather than paying it in to maintain the country, is the same as being sent a check in the mail.

Translation:
sarah imaboobie can't afford a mortgage and is bitter towards anyone who can.