http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3549411Oh my.
This is another one of those bonfires where some of the primitives are stoned while posting.
KG (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:14 PM
Original message
what 'petty self-interests' (some call them 'civil rights') should DUers give up to win in Nov?
it's all 'just politics' right?
reading DU last few days has been, um, amusing.
atreides1 (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:18 PM
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1. Haven't you Been Paying Attention
We should win at all costs and by whatever means neccessary.
Consider yourself informed.
tazkcmo (147 posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:19 PM
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2. As I read in another thread
"STFU till Jan '09"
Yeah, one's sure the primitives are going to be left speechless when Barry "Goldwater" Obama's not the one inaugurated in January 2009.
WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:19 PM
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3. We got any left to give up?
I thought they were pretty much gone anyway.
Name one.
durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:20 PM
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4. All should be sacrificed. Ask questions later
Mountainman (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:21 PM
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5. You're really setting people up aren't you?
How about this, What rights that you gave up during the Bush years do you not want back?
Name one.
atreides1 (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. No, It's a good question
And what makes you think that we'll get them back under Obama? I know that under McBush there is no chance that laws like the Patriot Act will be repealed or at least re-written, but what guarantees do we have that under Obama it'll change?
Nothing needs changed, because the primitives still have exactly the same rights, no more, no less, than the primitives had on January 19, 2001.
Mountainman (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Well do all you can to defeat Obama then but don't cry to me about how you're getting ****ed over by someone.
Fumesucker (788 posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. Any that Obama feels he needs to ignore to attain the presidency
We can trust Obama, he won't screw us, he's different.
Famous last words.
Mountainman (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Like I said, help him get defeated and take your chances with McCain
But STFU afterward!
Fumesucker (788 posts) Tue Jul-01-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. The thing is ...
I don't *like* getting screwed and I'm tired of it.
You apparently wish for others to enjoy getting screwed.
WHAP!! "Thank you sir, may I have another"?
FarceOfNature (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
26. and your avatar is a Buddha WHY?
Sigmund Freud would find that particular Buddha avatar interesting; Buddha contemplating his tumescence.
Mountainman (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Can't you defend your position with out attacking me?
FarceOfNature (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. sure. can you answer a simple question?
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:24 PM
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6. The right to whine and moan endlessly.
How about that one.
pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. And the right to make the perfect the enemy of the good.
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:25 PM
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7. Interesting because some DUers say the Constitution should be amended to repeal rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights with which they disagree.
I would not be surprised if some group wants to repeal the Ninth Amendment so the federal government is not required to protect un-enumerated rights.
charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:28 PM
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9. Yours, of course
What has been really amusing are some of the long time self-appointed enforcers who regularly whacked on people as "purists", "far leftists", and "immature". The guys who completely lost their shit when their primary candidate couldn't go the distance. Suddenly their non-negotiables became bigger than party, country, and Supreme Court. Funny that.
atreides1 (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:35 PM
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16. Sorry charlie
As far as I'm concerned the US Constitution has always been non-negotiable! But I guess that would make me "immature"
I notice you put party before country? Funny that.
charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. You've got me backwards
I'm talking about the hectoring Party Uber Alles scolds who imploded like cheap tents merely because they wouldn't have their choice of centrist (and with the odd exception, they were all centrists) as the nominee. A lot of them got booted for the very reason they wanted plenty of the rest of us off the board. I notice some of them have recovered and are back to form.
Of course, Constitutional rights are non-negotiable. But, I'm a politically callow, far-left, purist. Or so I've been told. Again and again
franksolich needs illuminated. Who was the "centrist" Democrat candidate for the presidential nomination?
They all looked pretty whacked out far left to me.
World Citizen (32 posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:33 PM
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14. I'm just wondering about...
the reason you have for couching your opinion is such devisive terms. What do you hope to accomplish?
Dogtown Donating Member (817 posts) Tue Jul-01-08 03:42 PM
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18. At this point, even if there is muscle behind your thought, what choice do we have?
I seriously believe we're on the cusp of a paradigm and the world is about to very suddenly change.
It is *not* time for revolt, and there is no viable 3rd party, so I will support this candidate through the election.
And I'll wait and watch...
warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 04:28 PM
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20. I'm clinging to the 3rd amendment...
... which says "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."
Maybe I'm just selfish and unpatriotic, but I really can't see having a house full of testosterone-poisoned 20-year-old trained killers eating everything but the flatware, missing the toilet and pissing all over the floor, clicking the remote until it breaks, piling up dirty dishes in the sink, leaving candy wrappings and half-empty energy drink cans all over the house, smoking pot, watching MTV or playing shitty alleged music at high volume -- and calling me "dude" the whole time.
Sounds like the pea-soup primitive recently had other primitives as house-guests.
LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 04:34 PM
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21. I'm afraid I've missed any posts advocating the surrender
I'm afraid I've missed any posts advocating the surrender of civil liberties for simple political expediency.
If I were a betting man (and I'm not), I'd wager someone's getting a bit melodramatic in their interpretations of a disagreement. But then again, I'm just an australopithecine-- and not a very bright one at that.
readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 10:01 PM
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24. I already give up the right to equal treatment under the law. Now its the "piece of paper".
If we really want to win we should pick a candidate who is tough on pro-choice, tough on gays, who wants to give more money to the military, less to social programs, expand funding for homeland security, and run a very pro-business, anti-labor campaign.
If we occupied the EXACT SPACE of the Republican platform we'd win every time.
And why would you win every time? Perhaps it has something to do with public priorities and values?
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 10:04 PM
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25. politics is ****ed we ain't got shit for 8 years if we get half what's promised we're ahead
One suspects the primitives aren't going to get 5% of what they want from Barry "Goldwater" Obama.
Barry "Goldwater" Obama wants to win, and he knows he can't win listening to the primitives.
Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-01-08 10:10 PM
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27. it sucked when repukes do it but it gets spun as PEACHY KEEN now
eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-02-08 07:31 AM
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30. everything except bibles and guns, apparently
Yep, about half the primitives were stoned when commenting at this bonfire.
Please notice no primitive actually answered the question, too.
