Who's the nex Mr. Conservative? (Barry Goldwater)

[Tom McCameley]

Goldwater new what it meant to be conservative. This has changes so much, a man like this would be difficult to get a republican nomination these days with the massive religious right. And not that I disagree with the views of the religious right, but a heavy involvement of religion in gov. is not what the founding fathers had in mind.

I feel a lot of people struggle with the distinction of freedom of religion and separation of church and state. Both of these are equally important parts of our Country. But the religious right is violating the notion of a separation of church and state. Goldwater thought the Gov. had no business in areas like abortion, sex, ect.. and that a politicians view on abortion should not be a determining factor in support. Additionally he takes exception to any one exercising Gov. power for the means of religious/moral laws . He calls this "an abuse of constitutional power".

Here are some Goldwater quotes

"quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay."
"I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye"
-Barry Goldwater -Washington Post interview (1994)

"The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both."
-Barry Goldwater Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)

So will the conservative party ever have another Mr. Conservative? Someone who isn't altered by focus groups and marketers that have to agree with religious right to get votes.

[obumazombie]

I liked his quote about extremism.

[Mr Mannn]

I grew up in AZ. I know Goldwater well.

He married a liberal activist chicky-babe and started spouting liberal sh!t in his final years.

McCain should teach us ALL a lesson: Just because someone claims to be a conservative doesn't mean they really aren't a wolf in sheep's clothing.

F*ck you and your Goldwater quotes. These are the quotes of a doddering old fool influenced by a dam-n liberal.

B!tch slap given for being a liberal shill.

[J P Sousa]

I grew up in AZ. I know Goldwater well.

He married a liberal activist chicky-babe and started spouting liberal sh!t in his final years.

McCain should teach us ALL a lesson: Just because someone claims to be a conservative doesn't mean they really aren't a wolf in sheep's clothing.

F*ck you and your Goldwater quotes. These are the quotes of a doddering old fool influenced by a dam-n liberal.

B!tch slap given for being a liberal shill.

HI-5

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[Tom McCameley]

Hah I guess I need to look more into Goldwater, I did feel those quotes were radical. Thanks for the aggressive education. I still don't support any religion organization involved in govt decisions. What if scientologists were the most popular religion and they were dictating moral? It is just dangerous.

[obumazombie]

Hah I guess I need to look more into Goldwater, I did feel those quotes were radical. Thanks for the aggressive education. I still don't support any religion organization involved in govt decisions. What if scientologists were the most popular religion and they were dictating moral? It is just dangerous.

Popularity has nothing to do with morality.

[txradioguy]

Goldwater new what it meant to be conservative. This has changes so much, a man like this would be difficult to get a republican nomination these days with the massive religious right. And not that I disagree with the views of the religious right, but a heavy involvement of religion in gov. is not what the founding fathers had in mind.

I feel a lot of people struggle with the distinction of freedom of religion and separation of church and state. Both of these are equally important parts of our Country. But the religious right is violating the notion of a separation of church and state. Goldwater thought the Gov. had no business in areas like abortion, sex, ect.. and that a politicians view on abortion should not be a determining factor in support. Additionally he takes exception to any one exercising Gov. power for the means of religious/moral laws . He calls this "an abuse of constitutional power".

Here are some Goldwater quotes

"quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay."
"I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye"
-Barry Goldwater -Washington Post interview (1994)

"The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both."
-Barry Goldwater Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)

So will the conservative party ever have another Mr. Conservative? Someone who isn't altered by focus groups and marketers that have to agree with religious right to get votes.

[txradioguy]

Hah I guess I need to look more into Goldwater, I did feel those quotes were radical. Thanks for the aggressive education. I still don't support any religion organization involved in govt decisions. What if scientologists were the most popular religion and they were dictating moral? It is just dangerous.

There is no religious organization involved in government decisions now.


Dumbass. 

[Mr Mannn]

Hah I guess I need to look more into Goldwater, I did feel those quotes were radical. Thanks for the aggressive education. I still don't support any religion organization involved in govt decisions. What if scientologists were the most popular religion and they were dictating moral? It is just dangerous.

The separation of church and state is meant to limit the govt, not the church. The founding fathers knew it was the state that needed to be controlled, not people of faith.

Liberals are the ones to push the lie that people of faith are a threat and shouldn't be allowed in the working of the state. This is a socialist plank. Socialists, Communists, and democrats tend to be atheist as they worship the state as provider of all things. They hate all competition, and seek to shut down all opposition from media to people of faith.


Faith groups have every right to be involved with govt. The govt has NO right to be involved with faith.
That is the way the Constitution works.
Don't believe me?
Look at the corruption in the govt now and you see what happens when moral people are kept out of the govt.

That you are threatened by religious involvement makes me think you are a liberal troll.
Only Liberals fear freedom. Nuther b!tch slap given.

[JohnnyReb]

I was a strong Goldwater supporter in 1963/4.

I've tried to find a popular song of the time that should be the DUmmie national antheme. It was in support of LBJ I guess.

There was a line in the song that went, "....and I'm looking for more in '64." ....now if that line doesn't exemplify a DUmmie's wet dream, nothing does.

[Tom McCameley]

The separation of church and state is meant to limit the govt, not the church. The founding fathers knew it was the state that needed to be controlled, not people of faith.

Liberals are the ones to push the lie that people of faith are a threat and shouldn't be allowed in the working of the state. This is a socialist plank. Socialists, Communists, and democrats tend to be atheist as they worship the state as provider of all things. They hate all competition, and seek to shut down all opposition from media to people of faith.


Faith groups have every right to be involved with govt. The govt has NO right to be involved with faith.
That is the way the Constitution works.
Don't believe me?
Look at the corruption in the govt now and you see what happens when moral people are kept out of the govt.

That you are threatened by religious involvement makes me think you are a liberal troll.
Only Liberals fear freedom. Nuther b!tch slap given.

I agree govt has no right to be involved in faith and surely religious people can serve in the govt.

But you say moral as if all religious people are moral. Think outside of America. I sure as heck don't want muslims involved in making laws based on their religion, and if Obama is a muslim would you want him making unconstitutional Sharia laws. That is what l I mean by keeping faith out of making laws that are violating rights of the Constitution.

[Mr Mannn]

straw man argument.
Muslims are free to run for any govt post they like.
Shaira law cannot operate within the US constitution. Shaira is inflexible and unbending. It is not subject to checks and balances, and muslims would not subject their religious law to amendments or repeal. Sharia can only be imposed from outside the govt.

Its pretty obvious you fear religion/faith. You're making arguments only a liberal would make.
B!tch slap for being a troll.