House negroes for massa McCain and massa Bush

[Rebel]

Maybe Lanie/Bridget will suffer the fate of these people at the hands of those she so tries to protect:

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,9505.0.html

I'm sure they'll go easy on her once she tells them she's "working" for them. Seemed to work for the North Carolina girl who was supporting Obama. 

[Lanie]

Blacks and how they vote. First, I'd like to show the connection between blacks on welfare, how often they're on welfare, and how often black welfare recipients are voting.

http://academic.udayton.edu/RACE/04NEEDS/welfare01.htm



Snip.

This confirms that most welfare recipients are not black. Furthermore, while a lot may be single black mothers, it does not confirm that most blacks are on welfare. So what does it take to get put on welfare?

Huh?  You need to read ALL the words:

lthough most welfare recipients are not Black, Black single mothers do rely on a disproportionate share of Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC)

...

Instead, I advocate in Part VII a strategy of developing Black economic, cultural, and political institutions as part of a struggle for a strong American welfare state to which Black people belong as citizens.

Need I go on?  This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

But it didn't say that most black, single mothers did it. It also didn't say that most blacks did it.

I didn't say MOST Blacks are on Welfare -- in fact the welfare discussion is a side bar.  But the more you thrash the more you get dragged down into the tar pits of facts.

So if most blacks are not on welfare necessarily, then what is the problem again?

I'm hungry. Be back later.

[Carl]

Nothing like a bunch of Liberals thinking they know what's best for blacks. 

Fixed.

Lots of people think they know what's best for blacks. It's all wrong.

Really Bridget?  What about folks who think blacks should think for themselves instead of depending on liberal politicians and shysters like AlSharptooth and Je$$e to do it for them?

Giving Bridget another opportunity to answer.

Oh give me a break. I can't answer everybody because I'm missing too many posts because they're all going at once.

I think that anybody who thinks that blacks should vote their way believes blacks should not think on their own. Anybody who respects how a black person votes (Republican or Dem) respects a black person's right to think on their own. Obviously, anybody who doesn't like Jesse Jackson can respect a black person's right to think on their own as long as they respect their right to agree or disagree with them.

Then how does that reconcile with the dem viewpoint of Justice Thomas and Secratary Rice?

It would seem that they don`t exactly share your viewpoint on respecting the political viewpoints of some.

[Chris_]

Nothing like a bunch of Liberals thinking they know what's best for blacks.  :banghead:

Fixed.

Lots of people think they know what's best for blacks. It's all wrong.

Really Bridget?  What about folks who think blacks should think for themselves instead of depending on liberal politicians and shysters like AlSharptooth and Je$$e to do it for them?

Giving Bridget another opportunity to answer.

Oh give me a break. I can't answer everybody because I'm missing too many posts because they're all going at once.

I think that anybody who thinks that blacks should vote their way believes blacks should not think on their own. Anybody who respects how a black person votes (Republican or Dem) respects a black person's right to think on their own. Obviously, anybody who doesn't like Jesse Jackson can respect a black person's right to think on their own as long as they respect their right to agree or disagree with them.

Was that a Hope post or a Change post? 

I do respect Blacks' ability to think for themselves.  I maintain that thinking is based on ethnic racism, not logic.  The numbers are hard to refute, especially since hussein has yet to make a substantial stand on anything.  There is certainly nothing there that is specific to the Black experience.

[Rebel]

This was done in 1999. AFDC being Welfare.

[Rebel]

....and the POINT of this is, what in the **** have liberal policies done for the black community? Answer? Subjected them.

[Rebel]

I've been googling for a while. If I can't find it, then maybe it's not there.

Don't you want me to vote for McCain?

BTW, if this is the case, either you're A) Ignorant, or B) too lazy to look. I searched and came up with 11+ pages of links.

[Chris_]

Blacks and how they vote. First, I'd like to show the connection between blacks on welfare, how often they're on welfare, and how often black welfare recipients are voting.

http://academic.udayton.edu/RACE/04NEEDS/welfare01.htm



Snip.

This confirms that most welfare recipients are not black. Furthermore, while a lot may be single black mothers, it does not confirm that most blacks are on welfare. So what does it take to get put on welfare?

Huh?  You need to read ALL the words:

lthough most welfare recipients are not Black, Black single mothers do rely on a disproportionate share of Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC)

...

Instead, I advocate in Part VII a strategy of developing Black economic, cultural, and political institutions as part of a struggle for a strong American welfare state to which Black people belong as citizens.

Need I go on?  This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

But it didn't say that most black, single mothers did it. It also didn't say that most blacks did it.

I didn't say MOST Blacks are on Welfare -- in fact the welfare discussion is a side bar.  But the more you thrash the more you get dragged down into the tar pits of facts.

So if most blacks are not on welfare necessarily, then what is the problem again?

I'm hungry. Be back later.

Black racism as demonstrated by their voting pattern.  And overwhelming Black (and white liberal) reaction to Black Conservatives who believe in things like personal responsibility and freedom of thought.

You said Blacks can only address Black issues.  Disproportionate welfare is a Black issue.  Disproportionate Fatherlessness (56%) is a Black Issue (http://theradleyporch.blogspot.com/2008/06/hope-for-fatherless.html)

So I ask again, which of these issues are not understandable, much less articulated, by Whites?  And, other  than the disproportionality, how are these Black issues?

To suggest that Blacks want something different than Whites is inherently racist.

And unsurprising.

[Chris_]

....and the POINT of this is, what in the **** have liberal policies done for the black community? Answer? Subjected them.

The most important part of slavery is not physical mastery.  It is making it clear that if the slave leaves the plantation, he won't be able to eat.

The democrats have made it clear that anyone who leaves the plantation won't get the massa's head pat and manna.  And 90%+ of the Black community have replied with a "yassa boss man -- thanks you so much!"

[Lanie]

Maybe Lanie/Bridget will suffer the fate of these people at the hands of those she so tries to protect:

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,9505.0.html

I'm sure they'll go easy on her once she tells them she's "working" for them. Seemed to work for the North Carolina girl who was supporting Obama. 

Oh my gosh, I don't even think I have the ability to be civil toward that. Get some standards.

[Lanie]

This was done in 1999. AFDC being Welfare.

The amount on AFDC is only 27 percent. That's not even half of the black population here. And I wonder how many of them vote.

However, the rest of it is very discouraging. I agree with that. I also think we should do things to help them get out of those situations. Any chance we can agree on some of that and form common ground?

Oh, and thank you.

[Lanie]

Nothing like a bunch of Liberals thinking they know what's best for blacks. 

Fixed.

Lots of people think they know what's best for blacks. It's all wrong.

Really Bridget?  What about folks who think blacks should think for themselves instead of depending on liberal politicians and shysters like AlSharptooth and Je$$e to do it for them?

Giving Bridget another opportunity to answer.

Oh give me a break. I can't answer everybody because I'm missing too many posts because they're all going at once.

I think that anybody who thinks that blacks should vote their way believes blacks should not think on their own. Anybody who respects how a black person votes (Republican or Dem) respects a black person's right to think on their own. Obviously, anybody who doesn't like Jesse Jackson can respect a black person's right to think on their own as long as they respect their right to agree or disagree with them.

Was that a Hope post or a Change post? 

I do respect Blacks' ability to think for themselves.  I maintain that thinking is based on ethnic racism, not logic.  The numbers are hard to refute, especially since hussein has yet to make a substantial stand on anything.  There is certainly nothing there that is specific to the Black experience.

Obama has taken stands on issues. It's experience he lacks.

[Rebel]

The amount on AFDC is only 27 percent. That's not even half of the black population here. And I wonder how many of them vote.

Again, who said "most"?

However, the rest of it is very discouraging. I agree with that.

Yeah, THANK YOU DEMOCRATS! 

Wasn't like this when they were Republicans decades ago.

 

I also think we should do things to help them get out of those situations. Any chance we can agree on some of that and form common ground?

Oh, and thank you.

Why the **** should "we", as conservatives, do a damn thing? They've called us "white devils", "evil", etc. Maybe they need to reassess whom their voting for. We ARE trying to do SOMETHING. We're trying to get them to vote conservative. Not too much success there.

[Lanie]

I've been googling for a while. If I can't find it, then maybe it's not there.

Don't you want me to vote for McCain?

BTW, if this is the case, either you're A) Ignorant, or B) too lazy to look. I searched and came up with 11+ pages of links.

You gave me the Heritage Foundation, criticized to be a conservative source. I decided to take it anyway. As for your argument about liberal policies, I'd like to argue differently, but not necessarily tonight.

[Lanie]

The amount on AFDC is only 27 percent. That's not even half of the black population here. And I wonder how many of them vote.

Again, who said "most"?

However, the rest of it is very discouraging. I agree with that.

Yeah, THANK YOU DEMOCRATS! 

Wasn't like this when they were Republicans decades ago.

 

I also think we should do things to help them get out of those situations. Any chance we can agree on some of that and form common ground?

Oh, and thank you.

Why the **** should "we", as conservatives, do a damn thing? They've called us "white devils", "evil", etc. Maybe they need to reassess whom their voting for. We ARE trying to do SOMETHING. We're trying to get them to vote conservative. Not too much success there.

Maybe the conservatives should do something to make blacks realize they want to work for them as well as whites. Blacks think the Dem party takes them for granted. There is a way to build from that, but it's not telling them that they're slaves for being Dems.

[asdf2231]

Obama has taken stands on issues. It's experience he lacks.

Quite often two or three stands on the same issue.

He really IS the change candidate.

[Chris_]

Maybe the conservatives should do something to make blacks realize they want to work for them as well as whites. Blacks think the Dem party takes them for granted. There is a way to build from that, but it's not telling them that they're slaves for being Dems.

Do why do Blacks sit back and not approval when they call successful people like Colin Powell, Condi, Bill Cosby and pretty much every Black person who has made it in mainstream politics or economics a "house nigga?" 

Ever read the books by Colin Powell?  Perhaps more young Black people should do so to understand what Conservatism offers them.

But that won't happen, because it is written by an Uncle Tom.  Better to follow the race pimps like Jackson and Sharpton.

How can anyone break the cycle of poverty when their leaders get rich on it? And when all but the most astute get dragged down by it?

[Chris_]

Obama has taken stands on issues. It's experience he lacks.

Quite often two or three stands on the same issue.

He really IS the change candidate.

Hey, Lanie -- did you Ignore me?

Tell asdf -- he loves everyone!

[Rebel]

You gave me the Heritage Foundation, criticized to be a conservative source. I decided to take it anyway. As for your argument about liberal policies, I'd like to argue differently, but not necessarily tonight.

The Heritage Foundation does ALL of their research. YOU don't like it because it contradicts how you "feel".

[Rebel]

Maybe the conservatives should do something to make blacks realize they want to work for them as well as whites. Blacks think the Dem party takes them for granted. There is a way to build from that, but it's not telling them that they're slaves for being Dems.

No, conservatives work on issues, not race. We're not Damn liberals. We don't place people in ****ing categories. Our policies are ones of self-reliance. Sorry if it doesn't fit most of the black community. Sure fits pretty well for Allen West, Thomas Sowell, Lee Elder, Walter Williams, and Bo Snerdley.

[asdf2231]

Obama has taken stands on issues. It's experience he lacks.

Quite often two or three stands on the same issue.

He really IS the change candidate.

Hey, Lanie -- did you Ignore me?

Tell asdf -- he loves everyone!

Love is a STRONG word dude!

I just know better than to try to argue a Morman out of their falacies and to try to argue a Liberal out of their stupidities.  Anyone seriously supporting Obama is a step down from a UFO cultist on the reasonability scale.

[Lanie]

Maybe the conservatives should do something to make blacks realize they want to work for them as well as whites. Blacks think the Dem party takes them for granted. There is a way to build from that, but it's not telling them that they're slaves for being Dems.

Do why do Blacks sit back and not approval when they call successful people like Colin Powell, Condi, Bill Cosby and pretty much every Black person who has made it in mainstream politics or economics a "house nigga?" 

Ever read the books by Colin Powell?  Perhaps more young Black people should do so to understand what Conservatism offers them.

But that won't happen, because it is written by an Uncle Tom.  Better to follow the race pimps like Jackson and Sharpton.

How can anyone break the cycle of poverty when their leaders get rich on it? And when all but the most astute get dragged down by it?

The blacks I know seem to get offended when Democrat whites say offensive things about certain blacks.

[Lanie]

Obama has taken stands on issues. It's experience he lacks.

Quite often two or three stands on the same issue.

He really IS the change candidate.

Hey, Lanie -- did you Ignore me?

Tell asdf -- he loves everyone!

Love is a STRONG word dude!

I just know better than to try to argue a Morman out of their falacies and to try to argue a Liberal out of their stupidities.  Anyone seriously supporting Obama is a step down from a UFO cultist on the reasonability scale.

Please find the post where I said I was supporting Obama. Thanks.

[Lanie]

Maybe the conservatives should do something to make blacks realize they want to work for them as well as whites. Blacks think the Dem party takes them for granted. There is a way to build from that, but it's not telling them that they're slaves for being Dems.

No, conservatives work on issues, not race. We're not Damn liberals. We don't place people in ******* categories. Our policies are ones of self-reliance. Sorry if it doesn't fit most of the black community. Sure fits pretty well for Allen West, Thomas Sowell, Lee Elder, Walter Williams, and Bo Snerdley.

In theory that sounds good. The problem I see is that there are some groups of people whom other groups of people are convinced are not good at this type of job, that type of job, would not be right for this college, should not have their house considered to be in a certain section (so the black kids all go to one school. It still happens. That's another thread though), etc. I think they might be looking for a candidate to address those issues. While I think racism might not happen as much as they think, it's not exactly something that went away with Jim Crow. I wish it did.

[asdf2231]

Obama has taken stands on issues. It's experience he lacks.

Quite often two or three stands on the same issue.

He really IS the change candidate.

Hey, Lanie -- did you Ignore me?

Tell asdf -- he loves everyone!

Love is a STRONG word dude!

I just know better than to try to argue a Morman out of their falacies and to try to argue a Liberal out of their stupidities.  Anyone seriously supporting Obama is a step down from a UFO cultist on the reasonability scale.

Please find the post where I said I was supporting Obama. Thanks.

So you are supporting McCain then?

OUTstanding.

Do you want some campaign stuff to pass out?